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When folks talk about rerolling boons, do y’all just mean hitting reroll before going through the gate to get a different god or is there some perk ive missed (8 clears deep, lol) allowing me to reroll the three boons I get shown when I actually pick up the glowing god symbol.
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buffalo all day posted:When folks talk about rerolling boons, do y’all just mean hitting reroll before going through the gate to get a different god or is there some perk ive missed (8 clears deep, lol) allowing me to reroll the three boons I get shown when I actually pick up the glowing god symbol. It's the other option on the Mirror.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:04
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Decided to give Guan Yu a go again and got crystal beam first as my first boon. Once Crystal Clarity got installed and I managed to get Poseidon's Aid w/ Quick Favor and also Mirage Shot, I just used my spear as supplemental to the lasers. Even managed to get to the surface without losing any death defiances. 
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Oct 12, 2020 21:10
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SettingSun posted:According to the wiki you can't get Charged Volley on Chiron (or Rama). lol well that was a big fat waste of time then  Guess I'll start plugging away with the zag bow, thanks.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:31
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Is there a general consensus on what boons to shoot for with each weapon? Ie if shield, then zeus etc?
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Oct 12, 2020 21:38
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All weapons: Athena Dash Don't put zeus or dio on Excalibur. From there, you're pretty free to do whatever.
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Oct 12, 2020 21:41
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Is there a general consensus on what boons to shoot for with each weapon? Ie if shield, then zeus etc? I think it's a bit of personal preference, and it's going to depend on what aspect and if you focus attack or special. This is how I currently view: Aphrodite: Weak, Charm - Feels good for builds where you'll be in danger/melee a lot Ares: Doom, Blade rifts - Feels good for weapons that hit less often or builds where you play keep away Artemis: Crit: Pretty good for any weapon? Athena: Deflect: Pretty handy for any weapon/build. The type of deflect (attack or special) really depends on the weapon you have, deflect dash is king. Demeter: Chill, I love it on fast hit melee builds Dionysus: Hangover aka poison: Feels good on ranged builds, can work with fast hit melee since they'll stack it up. Poseidon: Feels good for range (keep away) depends for melee since knocking enemies around can get annoying in some rooms, or you can lean into it for wall slam builds. Shield has decent synergy with that in particular. Zeus: Anything that hits fairly rapidly - I take it a lot with sword or spear. It can also be a playstyle thing. I go to Demeter a lot because chill makes it easier for me to deal with bosses. e: Honestly most of the time it just comes down to working with I get dealt, but I frequently force Athena and Artemis to try to get the dash and calls respectively. Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Oct 12, 2020 21:52
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Basically the lower the base damage the better Zeus and Dio get compared to the +percentage gods. For the Rail I like to outright force Zeus since it well over doubles the attack damage even with a common boon. Artemis is a bit weird since she gets better if you have a bunch of other sources of +damage such as Chaos boons.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:01
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Does the charged fist off of Demeter apply multiple debuffs
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Oct 12, 2020 22:06
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zoux posted:Does the charged fist off of Demeter apply multiple debuffs Yes. It's multiple hits.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:14
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I'm trying to finish up the "clear the game with each heat modifier on at least once" prophecy and I don't think I can handle Forced Overtime. I've gotten to the final boss three times with it on, with really strong builds, and somehow even just him going 20% faster fucks up all of my dodge timing and I just choke hard on the second phase. This is getting really disheartening. This last time I even had all three of my Deaths Defiances ready to go and nope, he just completely chumped me. I thought I was getting good at this game but apparently not 
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Oct 12, 2020 22:14
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BisbyWorl posted:Well it took around 50 runs and 20 some-odd clears, but I finally have a summon. Everything Burrito posted:Definitely try all your summons in any boss rooms that you can because there's usually some bit of dialogue and it can be pretty funny. I wanna get that Codex filled out but it's hard to leave all that money on the table
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Oct 12, 2020 22:21
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I thought I saw someone mention a prophecy involving buying every minor shop item, but I don't think I've had that one pop up yet, do you have to buy a certain amount before it does?
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Oct 12, 2020 22:21
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For me it was the alternative touch of Styx item you get when you are running the “infinite revives but only once per room” perk. I never ran that perk until I began shooting for beating the game with all mirror perks and that’s when I got it.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:27
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does giving nectar to bouldy do anything besides give a small buff and make you feel good?
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Oct 12, 2020 22:29
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Harrow posted:I'm trying to finish up the "clear the game with each heat modifier on at least once" prophecy and I don't think I can handle Forced Overtime. I've gotten to the final boss three times with it on, with really strong builds, and somehow even just him going 20% faster fucks up all of my dodge timing and I just choke hard on the second phase. This is getting really disheartening. Never turn off FO1. You get used to the speed and it's free heat for a few levels when our starting grinding heat levels.
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Oct 12, 2020 22:40
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Hey the thread title says I can pet the dog, the dog, and the dog, but when I press the pet button I only pet the dog. Is petting the other two dogs an ability I'll get later? Also I ran into what I'm assuming is the secret boss you guys have been talking about an oh boy that's rough. I found him in Tartarus, is it that I shouldn't be trying it so early in a run or is he just meant to be utterly brutal?
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Oct 12, 2020 23:04
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It's a dumb title as you can only pet the Dog. The boss is totally brutal for a good reason; the earlier you get that fight the bigger the payoff. It's not just 20%, but the minimum 300g that came with it. I've lost two death defiance charges in the fight (thanks to heat) and still felt it was worth it.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:12
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Deformed Church posted:Hey the thread title says I can pet the dog, the dog, and the dog, but when I press the pet button I only pet the dog. Is petting the other two dogs an ability I'll get later? only one head likes pets because it’s easier for supergiant to animate Charon is a beast no matter what and fighting him in Tartarus is a tall order even for experienced players
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Oct 12, 2020 23:13
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:does giving nectar to bouldy do anything besides give a small buff and make you feel good? That's it. Eventually it's basically your only use for that item besides upgrading it at the shop though.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:31
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How does adding heat to unlock more unlocks work? I have beaten the first three bosses with all the weapons, but have only escaped with fist and rail, though I've escaped on heat 0 & 1 with fist. But when I go to heat 1 or 2, I can't get the new diamond/blood/ambrosia unlocks for the other four weapons? Do I need to escape once with each to get access to the diamond at heat 1 for, say, spear? This is mostly a problem because I'd like a ton of diamonds for the room upgrades and meta-plot, but I also want to spend my end-of-run cash on boons. e: two other things. First, can I just say that the butterfly foes in Elysium are so goddamn annoying and are complete bullshit? Second, any advice on good early heat options for unlocking? I'm starting with the one that makes bosses harder, but tempted by the miniboss one. Arcturas fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Oct 12, 2020 23:48
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Arcturas posted:How does adding heat to unlock more unlocks work? I have beaten the first three bosses with all the weapons, but have only escaped with fist and rail, though I've escaped on heat 0 & 1 with fist. But when I go to heat 1 or 2, I can't get the new diamond/blood/ambrosia unlocks for the other four weapons? Do I need to escape once with each to get access to the diamond at heat 1 for, say, spear? This is mostly a problem because I'd like a ton of diamonds for the room upgrades and meta-plot, but I also want to spend my end-of-run cash on boons. Unlocking the pact (beating heat 0) unlocks heat 1 for every weapon and opens up a fresh set of bounties. From there, you need to clear heat 1 to unlock the rewards for heat 2, per weapon. So if you clear heat 1 with the sword, you then can do a heat 2 run with the sword, or a heat 1 run with any other weapon. e: Good early heat options are, IMO: Time Limit (9 Minutes is plenty) Extreme Measures (Bosses get extra moves - 1 rank only makes the first boss a bit harder) and I personally find one rank of the "shops are more expensive" to be fairly un-intrusive.
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Oct 12, 2020 23:59
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Arcturas posted:How does adding heat to unlock more unlocks work? I have beaten the first three bosses with all the weapons, but have only escaped with fist and rail, though I've escaped on heat 0 & 1 with fist. But when I go to heat 1 or 2, I can't get the new diamond/blood/ambrosia unlocks for the other four weapons? Do I need to escape once with each to get access to the diamond at heat 1 for, say, spear? This is mostly a problem because I'd like a ton of diamonds for the room upgrades and meta-plot, but I also want to spend my end-of-run cash on boons. Bounty levels are independent per weapon. Whenever you win a run with a weapon (assuming you're at or above the required heat level for bounties on that weapon), the required heat level for the weapon increases by 1 and the bounties get reset. If you die partway through, the boss rewards you've already gotten on the current bounty level will be replaced with darkness drops on future runs until you manage to win. There's no advantage or mechanical incentive to go above the current required heat for your weapon's bounty level. You can't just go "oh the required heat is 1 but i'll turn it up to 5 and get 5 diamonds at once". If you do that and win, it still just gives you the same rewards as if you were on heat level 1, and then turns the required level up to 2.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:01
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Each weapon has its own heat level. You get the rewards of the lowest uncleared heat level no matter how high you set it. So if you clear 3/4 bosses on heat 1. Doing heat 2 will only reward the last boss. You could though, do heat 2 a second time and get a whole new set of heat 2 rewards.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:01
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Tight Deadline is a good easy heat pick. Putting a single point into it gives you a total deadline of 36 minutes, which is more than i think i've ever spent on a run. The one that makes healing items 25% less effective is also, like... whatever. Doesn't hurt much. Benefits Package is fun, it makes all the armored enemies into Binding of Isaac champions, in that there's a pool of funky abilities and they all get one (or two, if you turn it all the way up). The one that makes it so all enemies ignore the first 1 or 2 hits doesn't really make things that much more difficult either.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:06
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Instant Grat posted:Tight Deadline is a good easy heat pick. Putting a single point into it gives you a total deadline of 36 minutes, which is more than i think i've ever spent on a run. The one that makes healing items 25% less effective is also, like... whatever. Doesn't hurt much. that last one is really dependent on the weapon. you wouldn't want it with the sword's hidden aspect
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Oct 13, 2020 00:07
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Oxxidation posted:that last one is really dependent on the weapon. you wouldn't want it with the sword's hidden aspect I feel like it could be really annoying with the rail too.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:11
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If you like to open fights with the grenade launcher the damage shield pact will make you re-evaluate that notion.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:13
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Jury Summons also isn't that bad, although there's a bit of anti-synergy with Tight Deadline. You're just doing the same stuff you did before against more enemies, and you get more gold for your trouble. I don't mind Benefits Package except for the poppers in Elysium.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:20
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jury summons is innocuous on its own but rapidly becomes a loving nightmare as you stack up more heat, i made the mistake of setting it to 2 or 3 during my 32-heat run and elysium chewed me up and spit me out
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Oct 13, 2020 00:25
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EM4 is actually quite doable in a vacuum without any other Pacts on but by god does it get gnarly if you had the grave misfortune of taking it with any of the tougher pacts like, for example, the one that gives armored enemies bonuses...
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Oct 13, 2020 00:27
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Damage Control can be barely noticeable if your build involves lots of quick, smaller hits.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:36
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I've done EM2 by now. EM3 and 4 can't be THAT bad. I unlocked 4 recently,I'm gonna give it a shot now
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Oct 13, 2020 00:44
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EM3 is lol but doable (I still kind of hate it but the heat is worth it for sure). EM4 is on a different level of BS entirely and I'm never going to bother getting good at it.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:52
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I think we need to put a loving sticky/update the OP about how heat rewards work. It's asked literally every other page, probably more often.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:53
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Fargin Icehole posted:I've done EM2 by now. EM3 and 4 can't be THAT bad. I unlocked 4 recently,I'm gonna give it a shot now In before: "I got destroyed." EM4 is a massive difficulty spike compared to the other EM levels. I tried EM4 without anything else on with a quality Zag fist dodge build and lost all of my Death Defiances in the final battle alone. It is no joke.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:53
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Kuros posted:Death Defiances *Deaths Defiance
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Oct 13, 2020 00:56
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EM3 takes some getting used to but I'm not sure it's actually harder than the original fight. While Asterius' moveset is stronger Theseus is a lot more ignorable I've found. EM4 is crazy.
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Oct 13, 2020 00:58
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Serephina posted:I think we need to put a loving sticky/update the OP about how heat rewards work. It's asked literally every other page, probably more often. If they're unable or unwilling to read the step by step instructions and actually look at the rewards on the pact menu, what makes you think anyone would bother to look at the OP?
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Irony Be My Shield posted:EM3 takes some getting used to but I'm not sure it's actually harder than the original fight. While Asterius' moveset is stronger Theseus is a lot more ignorable I've found. EM3 is basically "Fight Asterius in a smaller ring, dodge Theseus occasionally" and the "hard" part of Theseus is shorter too.
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