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DrPop posted:lol Virgil Texas' brain was broken so bad by believing so hard in electoralism in the leadup to bernie's defeat that he fled the internet and now he's back and destroying the modern left's sacred idols by taking the brave stance that electoralism simultaneously 1) doesn't work 2)...is anarchist? chomsky is an old man who thought romney was going to lead to a nuclear holocaust
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Oh yeah Chomsky can definitely be out of touch and all over the place. I don't think he has a whole lot to contribute to modern politics beyond some of his older work. I'm just marveling at Virgil's seemingly contradictory beliefs. Like he and the podcast spent a long-rear end time in the leadup to the primaries talking about how nominating Bernie Sanders to be President of the United States was the left's last hope to accomplish anything and push the US state out of its downward spiral (pretty optimistic IMO) and now Virgil specifically seems to be simultaneously advocating that electoralism is worthless and that engaging with it in some way is typical of "pointless" performative anarchism, whereas just months ago they rested all of their hopes on Bernie and building some kind of legalistic labor movement in the US
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DrPop posted:lol Virgil Texas' brain was broken so bad by believing so hard in electoralism in the leadup to bernie's defeat that he fled the internet and now he's back and destroying the modern left's sacred idols by taking the brave stance that electoralism simultaneously 1) doesn't work 2)...is anarchist? Doesn't Chomsky identify as an anarchist?
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DrPop posted:Oh yeah Chomsky can definitely be out of touch and all over the place. I don't think he has a whole lot to contribute to modern politics beyond some of his older work. I'm just marveling at Virgil's seemingly contradictory beliefs. Like he and the podcast spent a long-rear end time in the leadup to the primaries talking about how nominating Bernie Sanders to be President of the United States was the left's last hope to accomplish anything and push the US state out of its downward spiral (pretty optimistic IMO) and now Virgil specifically seems to be simultaneously advocating that electoralism is worthless and that engaging with it in some way is typical of anarchism. they're not really contradictory. You cannot avoid electoralism because you live in this country at this time. Engage with it when you can, and don't when there's nothing in it for you/your goals.
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Judakel posted:they're not really contradictory. You cannot avoid electoralism because you live in this country at this time. Engage with it when you can, and don't when there's nothing in it for you/your goals. Ok whatever you say 
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so Virgil was just on maternity leave birthing a new podcast when he disappeared for half a year?
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Gripweed posted:Doesn't Chomsky identify as an anarchist? according to wiki he refers to himself as a "libertarian socialist" the more I hear about this Chomksy character the less I like, honestly
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DrPop posted:Ok whatever you say they've been very clear about this so it is their word not mine
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any time someone refers to themselves as a ____ socialist or a socialist _____, that's a gulaging. get in the gulag bernie
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DrPop posted:Oh yeah Chomsky can definitely be out of touch and all over the place. I don't think he has a whole lot to contribute to modern politics beyond some of his older work. I'm just marveling at Virgil's seemingly contradictory beliefs. Like he and the podcast spent a long-rear end time in the leadup to the primaries talking about how nominating Bernie Sanders to be President of the United States was the left's last hope to accomplish anything and push the US state out of its downward spiral (pretty optimistic IMO) and now Virgil specifically seems to be simultaneously advocating that electoralism is worthless and that engaging with it in some way is typical of "pointless" performative anarchism, whereas just months ago they rested all of their hopes on Bernie and building some kind of legalistic labor movement in the US it's pretty comical OP. I don't even know to what extent he even believes himself or has just gone full grifter mode
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Judakel posted:they're not really contradictory. You cannot avoid electoralism because you live in this country at this time. Engage with it when you can, and don't when there's nothing in it for you/your goals. well considering our savior biden just tweeted out that we don't want handouts we're not getting any help from the government if they win so there really is no point in engaging anymore
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Shipon posted:well considering our savior biden just tweeted out that we don't want handouts we're not getting any help from the government if they win so there really is no point in engaging anymore correct
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DrPop posted:Oh yeah Chomsky can definitely be out of touch and all over the place. I don't think he has a whole lot to contribute to modern politics beyond some of his older work. I'm just marveling at Virgil's seemingly contradictory beliefs. Like he and the podcast spent a long-rear end time in the leadup to the primaries talking about how nominating Bernie Sanders to be President of the United States was the left's last hope to accomplish anything and push the US state out of its downward spiral (pretty optimistic IMO) and now Virgil specifically seems to be simultaneously advocating that electoralism is worthless and that engaging with it in some way is typical of "pointless" performative anarchism, whereas just months ago they rested all of their hopes on Bernie and building some kind of legalistic labor movement in the US How is that contradictiory? They said last hope right? So it totally follows that electorialism is bad now. From what you said it sounds like he might have known what was up way back then, but chose to give it a go anyway, and now all illusions are shattered kind of thing? thotsky has issued a correction as of 21:54 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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DrPop posted:Oh yeah Chomsky can definitely be out of touch and all over the place. I don't think he has a whole lot to contribute to modern politics beyond some of his older work. I'm just marveling at Virgil's seemingly contradictory beliefs. Like he and the podcast spent a long-rear end time in the leadup to the primaries talking about how nominating Bernie Sanders to be President of the United States was the left's last hope to accomplish anything and push the US state out of its downward spiral (pretty optimistic IMO) and now Virgil specifically seems to be simultaneously advocating that electoralism is worthless and that engaging with it in some way is typical of "pointless" performative anarchism, whereas just months ago they rested all of their hopes on Bernie and building some kind of legalistic labor movement in the US seems consistent to me? they tried with bernie, it failed because of insurmountable media pressure. now it's time for a different solution than to pretend that actually you were right to do that and it was everyone else who was wrong if you try something and it doesn't work, you try something else
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thotsky posted:How is that contradictiory? They said last hope right? So it totally follows that electorialism is bad now. From what you said it sounds like he might have known what was up way back then, but chose to give it a go anyway, and now all illusions are shattered kind of thing? Because Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been able to do hardly anything as president. Putting so much hope into him was misguided.
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Yadoppsi posted:Anyone have recommendations for a podcast that's like the early episodes of Champagne Sharks? Less Twitter minutiae and more interviews with HBCU professors. Hell I'll take a history lecture using the work of say CLR James. Just not on YouTube; I dont have the data to stream video. I like Groundings
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DrPop posted:Because Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been able to do hardly anything as president. Putting so much hope into him was misguided. it was a shot worth taking, so why not work to get him there? you seem to think that because people wanted to get him there, they don't do anything else but vote. That's liberals, not others
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DrPop posted:Because Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been able to do hardly anything as president. Putting so much hope into him was misguided. the idea was that electing Bernie was a step on the road towards activating a powerbase of working class people. it was never the end goal.
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Often Abbreviated posted:the idea was that electing Bernie was a step on the road towards activating a powerbase of working class people. it was never the end goal. Not to give the Bernie haters ammo because it's frustrating to me too, but the idea that a ton of people who were activated by Bernie going out to vote Biden definitely put a nail in Bernie's idea of activating a powerbase of working class people. As long as the media is allowed to spew its propaganda into the living rooms and computer/phone screens of everyone all day long, there's not a whole lot that can be done at the activist level.
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DrPop posted:Because Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been able to do hardly anything as president. Putting so much hope into him was misguided. it really wasn’t about Sanders, which is why when he suddenly started telling all his supporters to Vote Biden, a lot of them didn’t listen. Sanders himself was a tool, or a sort of hail mary, for trying to get ideas about socialism into the mainstream. and maybe possibly get some god drat healthcare. it didn’t work, though, so he can gently caress off now. time to retire bernie
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THS posted:it really wasn’t about Sanders, which is why when he suddenly started telling all his supporters to Vote Biden, a lot of them didn’t listen. Sanders himself was a tool, or a sort of hail mary, for trying to get ideas about socialism into the mainstream. and maybe possibly get some god drat healthcare. it didn’t work, though, so he can gently caress off now. time to retire bernie yeah and also before the consultants took over the bernie team it was an attempt at a new kind of organizing that would defy traditional limitations on the way Democrats organize and create a mass movement. instead Bernie made the choice to try and run a "serious presidential campaign" which meant running it like the consultants wanted and what do you know, the establishment formula didn't work to defeat the establishment.
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Atrocious Joe posted:The Democrat Party delenda est If they lose big they're not going away, they'll just fully devolve into the controlled opposition for the GOP. The real stakes of this election are whether the USA can keep the two-party system going, maintaining the fantasy of government representing the will of the masses, or whether it becomes what we call (when it happens in the third world) "corrupt" and "dictatorial".
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the milk machine posted:where the gently caress is hillary clinton's podcast??? https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-you-me-hillary-clinton-71671764/ with transcripts yess
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the milk machine posted:where the gently caress is hillary clinton's podcast??? thinking about how that gwen snyder character offered to start a podcast if her patreon (funding her uhhh activism I guess) reached 500 clams
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Trabisnikof posted:https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-you-me-hillary-clinton-71671764/ oh gently caress oh gently caress im gonna cum
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:The only real allies are dead because we can project what we would have wanted from them effortlessly, unlike every actual living person with stakes in the discourse who somehow disappoints by not being the radical action arm of Posting International. Nah actually the only real allies are dead because anyone who honestly attempts to change anything gets murdered by the FBI
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Crane Fist posted:Nah actually the only real allies are dead because anyone who honestly attempts to change anything gets murdered by the FBI brace belden is still alive and the belden project is strong and my friend
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sleeptalker posted:If they lose big they're not going away, they'll just fully devolve into the controlled opposition for the GOP. The real stakes of this election are whether the USA can keep the two-party system going, maintaining the fantasy of government representing the will of the masses, or whether it becomes what we call (when it happens in the third world) "corrupt" and "dictatorial". i mean i suspect that'll happen either way, considering both parties are aiming to have basically the same economic response to COVID. the massive upward wealth transfer that's been accelerating since February isn't gonna stop any time soon, we're just gonna keep shoveling money into our oligarch's accounts. the dems could maybe keep the facade going a little longer, i guess. but we're in 90s russia territory.
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Xaris posted:brace belden is still alive and the belden project is strong and my friend Oh no turns out he's CIA and the Belden Program is just MKULTRA but with ketamine instead of LSD
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