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Epicurius posted:This, basically? Yeah but better.......
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nine-gear crow posted:I like to think that the El Aurians were so in tune with the cosmos that they were immune to the influence of the Q completely, and that scared the Q so much they finally said “gently caress it” and sicced the Borg on them to wipe them out because they couldn’t do it themselves. Do you want Borg that are immune to the Q? Because that's how you get Borg that are immune to the Q.
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Oct 13, 2020 02:11
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By the transitive property, Species 8472 can beat Q
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Oct 13, 2020 02:16
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As far as we know, El-Aurians are just very long lived humans, right? I don't recall them ever having any special abilities. I know there was some implication in Q Who that maybe Guinan had abilities, but that never went anywhere.
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Oct 13, 2020 02:23
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FlamingLiberal posted:As far as we know, El-Aurians are just very long lived humans, right? I don't recall them ever having any special abilities. I know there was some implication in Q Who that maybe Guinan had abilities, but that never went anywhere. The only special ability they seem to have is that people tend to trust them and tell them things.
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Oct 13, 2020 02:26
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FlamingLiberal posted:As far as we know, El-Aurians are just very long lived humans, right? I don't recall them ever having any special abilities. I know there was some implication in Q Who that maybe Guinan had abilities, but that never went anywhere. Guinan definitely unnerved Q and also was aware when the timeline was altered which is a pretty big sign it's more than just longevity
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Oct 13, 2020 02:26
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The Bloop posted:Guinan definitely unnerved Q and also was aware when the timeline was altered which is a pretty big sign it's more than just longevity
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Oct 13, 2020 02:28
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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like some of that was specific to her though. Soran and the other El Aurian who shows up in early DS9 are just regular people. I think it's that Star Trek is not great at committing to ideas or continuity.
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Oct 13, 2020 02:31
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i don't like much of disco's design language so far, but the 1701 update's bridge is ok i guess? wonder how much will change in strange new worlds though:
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Oct 13, 2020 02:34
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Epicurius posted:I think it's that Star Trek is not great at committing to ideas or continuity. Mariner loving called it with "Starfleet: great at observation, not so much at development". I have to admit that Lower Decks really turned me off until around "Terminal Provocations", but it grew on me real fast in the back half of the season.
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Oct 13, 2020 02:37
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In “Yesterday’s Enterprise” Picard and Data theorize that Guinan’s ability to detect time fuckery might be a racial characteristic rather than peculiar, but they don’t know because El-Aurians are generally poorly understood. Which precisely is the defining characteristic of El-Aurians however, they’re weird and mysterious. Soran isn’t exactly a regular guy, he’s an intense fanatic who craves transcendence. Chris Sarandon on DS9 is uh, a zany con man.
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Oct 13, 2020 02:39
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Crusader posted:i don't like much of disco's design language so far, but the 1701 update's bridge is ok i guess? wonder how much will change in strange new worlds though: Yeah I like it a lot, just wish it was less shiny.
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Oct 13, 2020 02:40
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I'm not a huge fan, it's too black and too shiny and too much neon and whilst making it bigger is fine, they made it way too much bigger. And would it kill them to use the red/yellow/green monitor color scheme, I'm so sick of "all computers must be blue". I feel like they could've upgraded it to modern sensibilities while keeping it a lot closer to the original with a bit of creativity. But then I feel the same way about the Discoprise itself.
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Oct 13, 2020 02:42
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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like some of that was specific to her though. Soran and the other El Aurian who shows up in early DS9 are just regular people. I don't think we have the context to confirm that. They definitely seem to keep whatever is special about them on the dl
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Oct 13, 2020 02:48
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The way Guinan talks about them it sounds like she's on friendly terms with some of the Q, even. Just not Q himself.
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Oct 13, 2020 03:27
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MikeJF posted:The way Guinan talks about them it sounds like she's on friendly terms with some of the Q, even. Just not Q himself. Well, both of them, but neither. And not collectively, nor separately, but both simultaneously and consecutively as well as never before and never to be.
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Oct 13, 2020 03:45
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The writers probably had no real explanation for it, and probably still don't, but people have theorycrafted that the reason why Guinan freaked the gently caress out of Q so much and why she could sense when the timelines weren't right was because she's a survivor of the Nexus, and there's a fragment of herself still in there--the one that Picard meets while he's in there--that's acting as some kind of temporal anchor for her. You could also argue this is now true of Picard too and it might be the reason why Q is suddenly disinterested in pestering the poo poo out of him as seen in Lower Decks.
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Oct 13, 2020 03:47
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Eh, before Q-Who the last time Guinan ran into Q was 200 years ago and it seems like they had 'dealings' that pissed him off hard but he couldn't just blink her out of existence, so I'd say it's more a natural trait of El-Aurians, or at least older and wiser ones.
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Oct 13, 2020 03:56
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The El-Aurians are listeners. They know things. They have friends and favors in high and low places, and all those in-between. One needs no power when one Knows. Gotta keep your ears open
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Oct 13, 2020 04:23
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Where my el-Aurians tv show? Come on paramount.
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Oct 13, 2020 04:27
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apatheticman posted:Where my el-Aurians tv show? It's called The View. Just pretend Whoopi is Guinan telling everyone else to shut the gently caress up all the time.
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Oct 13, 2020 06:05
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Before I finished Lower Decks I thought I saw something on reddit and other places mentioning people thought it broke canon or something with the finale. I watched the finale and nothing stuck out to me. Was that a thing or was it just grognards getting mad about something inconsequential?
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Oct 13, 2020 06:09
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It was grognards.
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Oct 13, 2020 06:14
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I can't even think of anything that would set off the grognards, what was it?
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Oct 13, 2020 06:49
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MikeJF posted:Eh, before Q-Who the last time Guinan ran into Q was 200 years ago and it seems like they had 'dealings' that pissed him off hard but he couldn't just blink her out of existence, so I'd say it's more a natural trait of El-Aurians, or at least older and wiser ones. The Nexus in many ways exists outside time, so just because she met him hundreds of years before entering it doesn't mean she couldn't have a connection to it. All that said, I think it's better going unexplained.
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Oct 13, 2020 06:49
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MikeJF posted:I'm not a huge fan, it's too black and too shiny and too much neon and whilst making it bigger is fine, they made it way too much bigger. And would it kill them to use the red/yellow/green monitor color scheme, I'm so sick of "all computers must be blue". A while ago I did this super quick and dirty hue poo poo to see what the bridge looked like with a more TOS colour scheme on the computers:
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Oct 13, 2020 06:50
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MikeJF posted:I can't even think of anything that would set off the grognards, what was it? Maybe they didn't like the titan coming out of the book universe?
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Oct 13, 2020 06:54
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MikeJF posted:I can't even think of anything that would set off the grognards, what was it? I can't think of what could have set off a continuity pedant. The First Contact uniforms still being in use on the Titan? I don't know what else there even could have been.
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Oct 13, 2020 06:55
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Cojawfee posted:Before I finished Lower Decks I thought I saw something on reddit and other places mentioning people thought it broke canon or something with the finale. I watched the finale and nothing stuck out to me. Was that a thing or was it just grognards getting mad about something inconsequential? There was a thread on r/startrek that said it insulted 30 years of Star Trek history by having a good first season, but that one was clearly a joke. Otherwise yeah grognards.
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Oct 13, 2020 06:55
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nine-gear crow posted:There was a thread on r/startrek that said it insulted 30 years of Star Trek history by having a good first season, but that one was clearly a joke. I think that was the thread I saw. I didn't click it since I hadn't seen the episode yet, so that must have been it. Thanks.
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Oct 13, 2020 07:05
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Senor Tron posted:A while ago I did this super quick and dirty hue poo poo to see what the bridge looked like with a more TOS colour scheme on the computers: And personally I think it's nicer. Some of the decisions are odd. Like the lower readouts/monitors in front of the stations: looking at the original, it seems like the obvious and more modern thing to do with that while still staying consistent with the original look is a continuous single black glass screen with readouts on it running around the bridge, okuda style instead of separate inset monitors. It seems almost like for things like they they deliberately went more retro than they need to with the big bordered inset screens because that's the way 'retro' looks.  Honestly, a lot of what they've done with the Enterprise in Disco to me seems like they're not just modernising to make it look like a good sci-fi bridge for today's audiences, but actively altering the style and aesthetic to fit better with the one they used for Discovery, and that's where they lose me. (A good example of that is the way they cut decks out of the neck of the Enterprise to make it flatter because ships on Discovery are all flatter. There's nothing more modern or higher-tech about a flatter ship - it's just 'we prefer our new style instead'.) Especially since the style is... kinda generic and every-sci-fi-looking in a lot of ways? (see: all computers must be blue). But I'm fairly grognardy as these things go myself, I do admit, and I'm probably not the main audience they're catering to. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Oct 13, 2020 |
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Oct 13, 2020 07:09
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I do think the uniform thing is weird and not just in lower decks. Look at that screenshot of disco with Pike in the disco jumpsuit while his people are rocking the TOS uniforms. It's weird to me that it seems to vary by ship in the times that we've seen it. I do like the first contact uniforms better than the regular lower decks ones though, which just look fundamentally like the deep space nine ones with a little flair.
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Oct 13, 2020 08:21
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DrNutt posted:I do think the uniform thing is weird and not just in lower decks. Look at that screenshot of disco with Pike in the disco jumpsuit while his people are rocking the TOS uniforms. It's weird to me that it seems to vary by ship in the times that we've seen it. I do like the first contact uniforms better than the regular lower decks ones though, which just look fundamentally like the deep space nine ones with a little flair. The TNG/DS9 crossovers had that sort of thing show up. I have to guess that in-universe the captain of a ship/commander of a starbase has leeway in uniform decisions within a certain window.
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Oct 13, 2020 08:26
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The original intention when they split TNG and DS9 at the time was that coloured body and black shoulders was ships/command and black body coloured shoulders was outposts, and that's used consistently for a few years, but then Voyager came along and confused things and it all just went more inconsistent from there. Easiest at this point to say it's either a wierd phased rollover or captain's discretion during the changeover time. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Oct 13, 2020 |
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Oct 13, 2020 09:07
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Also I'm starting to think I may have OD'd on Star Trek and gone batty thanks to the Quarantine Lockdown.
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Oct 13, 2020 09:13
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MikeJF posted:Also I'm starting to think I may have OD'd on Star Trek and gone batty thanks to the Quarantine Lockdown. Understandable. I binged through my entire 48 novel reading goal in the last 6 months.
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Oct 13, 2020 09:15
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I would like Trek to just formalise the idea that Starfleet has a set of criteria for uniforms (Colour for division, pips for rank on collar) but as long as you stick to that criteria every ship and outpost is free to come up with whatever design they think looks coolest.
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Oct 13, 2020 09:45
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Alchenar posted:I would like Trek to just formalise the idea that Starfleet has a set of criteria for uniforms (Colour for division, pips for rank on collar) but as long as you stick to that criteria every ship and outpost is free to come up with whatever design they think looks coolest.
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Oct 13, 2020 09:59
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Every planet that joins the Federation merges their space fleet with Starfleet. As a result, as long as you're wearing something that looks at least vaguely like a Starfleet uniform, command lets you get away with it out of fear that if they call you out, it'll turn out that you actually are wearing a completely regulation Betazed Star Command Officer's uniform.
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