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I’m sure Dan Bonghead and the rest will spread this far and wide across Facebook to correct the issue right? https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1316136839166799873 Who could have anticipated this?? Not our piss baby President who’s been attacking vote by mail and the integrity of the election and democrat candidate. https://mobile.twitter.com/ddale8/status/1316162035424661510 More projection, this is why he’s so mad. He’s losing to Biden who he views as beneath him.
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lol the census is a big, fat, crowd pleasing jobs program. make it a big deal, expand the program, hand a bunch of people free money while talking up how everyone is doing their patriotic duty!! loving...easy poo poo. paid for by the government. maybe get a boost in those approvals. it just seems so obvious and easy. either trump is stealing so much loving money it has to end or the country really is loving broke
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Assuming we hold the House, we really need to move on from Pelosi. I like her more than most, but she's definitely past her prime. Her abilities are greatly diminished at this point.
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Telsa Cola posted:This is pages back but there is absolutely no strong evidence that they could or did besides I think some experimental studies and an experiment or two showing that it was indeed possible to sail from one end to other using some of the ships they had with modern knowledge, though I am also fairly certain that the actual trade ships they had would have almost immediately eaten poo poo because sailing the Med is way different than sailing the Atlantic. There is evidence that boats made with the materials that the Egyptians and Phonecians would have access to *could* get to the New World. There is also evidence of Iron Age tin mining on the coast of North America, Tin being an important commodity in the Mediterranean World. I never said it was conclusive evidence, just the real possibility that Phoenican colonists, who were known for their exploration and search for resources to trade, could have gotten there. It's an interesting theory. Also there is evidence to suggests that fishermen in Spain were fishing off the coast of North America for centuries, because that area of the Mid Atlantic is fantastic for fishing. This isn't related to USPOL though, I just find the theory fascinating In USPOL news, is there any change in Trump's numbers can actually improve before the election? He seems to be in a death spiral at this point, and I want this election to be clean and decisive as possible TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Oct 14, 2020 00:51
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:But why not start with something that would do even more good and still give Trump a win? Extending unemployment. I'm not sure I agree that structuring relief as an employment-contingent benefit vs cash payments with all of the bullshit that is applied to that in many states included. A friend of mine was literally evicted while waiting on an unemployment appeal. They ran out of money, the state unemployment website was and still is a total disaster so they spent weeks fruitlessly trying to submit information and get their appeal heard, they couldn't make rent, and they were forced into homelessness because they were in an unregistered/illegal sublet and the owner threw all their poo poo out, locked them out, and threatened to call the cops on them for trespass. That said, has Trump ever actually expressed support for extending unemployment the same way he has for giant prize checks with his name on them?
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I saw someone mention Reinoehl earlier so not sure if this has been posted already but journalists are digging into the cop ambush and it sure does seem like they set him and/or outright executed him. https://twitter.com/kateconger/status/1316161770147344385
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Zotix posted:8h to wait to vote in Georgia today. cool cool cool. I can't wait to go at 6am on Thursday. I don't think nearly enough is being said about this, especially on the heels of the horseshit Kemp pulled in GA 2018. They keep getting away with this crap. What do we do about it? Hours in line to vote for people probably $13/hr or less who I highly doubt get a lot of PTO. This is a loving disgrace and if allowed to continue is pretty much ALL republicans will have to do moving forward to ensure being re-elected.
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The issue with the $1200 checks is that they would absolutely help people in need but not in any sort of meaningful or long-term way while also increasing the odds of pushback with "We already sent them TWO checks!!" If you're going to argue for one thing then you need to argue for unemployment, not a one-time check. In an ideal world you could argue for both but we're in the world where even arguing for one is a challenge. The $1200 check 'looks' better but is worse in the long term. If we're going to get through this the country has to accept this isn't going to go away or get fixed. Even if COVID miraculously vanished tomorrow the long-term damage is catastrophic. You need infrastructure in place to deal with that or you are going to end up with things far worse down the line. The issue with arguing for increased unemployment is that Trump doesn't want to help people. He wants to send a huge check with his name on it just before the election. That's it. If you give him that win then he basically gets everything he wants for almost zero benefit, while not actually doing anything to deal with the underlying issue. People go "what's the harm in just accepting" and even if the Senate would pass it (which they won't), it's not actually what needs to be done. TulliusCicero posted:In USPOL news, is there any change in Trump's numbers can actually improve before the election? There is always a possibility but short of unarguable hard-proof evidence of Biden doing something massively criminal (and it has to be unarguable hard-proof because Trump already tainted the well on that so loving hard that nobody is going to believe it even if it was true without three forms of photo ID) it's hard to imagine. That said who the gently caress knows. We're two weeks into October and it's already been a clusterfuck. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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It's really funny to see Pelosi of all people hit with "don't let perfect be the enemy of good".
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evilweasel posted:what the gently caress is that probation
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1200 dollars isn't my first choice, hell it's not even my fifth, but it's the best option we have and I'm sick of all you purity testers.
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Glumwheels posted:I’m sure Dan Bonghead and the rest will spread this far and wide across Facebook to correct the issue right?  hes a jfk jr is alive qanon person as well.
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Terror Sweat posted:1200 dollars isn't my first choice, hell it's not even my fifth, but it's the best option we have and I'm sick of all you purity testers. $1200 isn’t actually on the table either, though, because the Senate hasn’t agreed to anything. The argument is if you’re going to pass a clean bill to give Trump a boost, then start with unemployment because it’ll have the most impact, and let Trump handle arguing with the Senate
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Terror Sweat posted:1200 dollars isn't my first choice, hell it's not even my fifth, but it's the best option we have and I'm sick of all you purity testers. This isn't about purity testing. The $1200 check reduces the pressure on the Republicans to actually do something even if it doesn't help. Because it presents the image of "See, people got money, we helped" without actually helping. You saw a similar thing with the first check and it got more attention than the thing that actually did a ton of good (the increased unemployment benefits.) Yes, it would be better for people than nothing in the short term, but that money is going to be gone in a month (if not less) and we'll be right back here except with less public support. A $1200 check has to include other things. It can't just be the check. I get you're saying "Well, nothing else will happen!!" but you can't really just bend to something because the other side won't. People already rightly criticize the Democrats of that and this is an issue that is more significant than most. We need a comprehensive program in place and if the Republicans refuse to negotiate for anything but a PR stunt, giving them their PR stunt isn't going to help. The Senate has not agreed to anything (and probably won't) so it wouldn't even be like it's a 'clean pass.' It will still be argued and politicized. If that has to happen you might as well make it for something worthwhile.
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Assuming Trump loses in November, is he dumb enough to run again in 2024? Being beaten by "sleepy Joe" will probably make him even madder than the time Obama made fun of him, so assuming he's not incarcerated or (even more) incoherent from Alzheimer's, I can absolutely see his ego demanding he take another run at the office.
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Why are we seriously debating the merits of a hypothetical check and/or stimulus bill when the turtle has made it abundantly clear he won’t permit either of those things. Is the thread being invaded by people who woke up from a week long coma or something Pelosi’s answer is meaningless outside of being comically bad messaging. There is no deal to take. There never was.
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azflyboy posted:Assuming Trump loses in November, is he dumb enough to run again in 2024? That dude is not going to be alive in 2024.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Why are we seriously debating the merits of a hypothetical check and/or stimulus bill when the turtle has made it abundantly clear he won’t permit either of those things. I think people are confused about a clean check bill being on the table specifically because of how hilariously bad Pelosi flubbed that interview
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Glass of Milk posted:That dude is not going to be alive in 2024. Even if he is, he'll likely be buried in legal proceedings or have fled the country. And I still say he's not coming out of COVID 100% - those steroids and meds are obscuring a lot of damage.
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Glass of Milk posted:That dude is not going to be alive in 2024. Yeah something tells me, whether it's natural, by someone else or his own hand, Trump ain't gonna see 2024 if he loses now
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azflyboy posted:Assuming Trump loses in November, is he dumb enough to run again in 2024? Donald Trump is absolutely not going to be in the physical or mental health to run again in 2024. He might try but even assuming he has no long-term lingering effects from COVID he is an elderly man who has shown increased signs of mental and physical decline while in office. Fairly arguably not even Biden should be running in 2024 but we'll see what happens there if he wins. Donald Trump will be 78 in 2024 and Biden will be 81. Even assuming they have the best health care in the world that is an age where it is very very possible to pass or be rendered incapable simply because of your age. (You can arguably make that statement for both candidates *now.*) Hell, even if we go for an outlier and the Green Party wins their candidate is 67 which makes him older than literally every single President besides Regan and Trump. This slate of Presidential Candidates is loving ancient. It is a genuinely serious problem that we're tied so much to absolutely goddamn ancient people. Even if Sanders had won the nomination he is 79 years old! The best overall candidate who ran this election was *79.* This loving poo poo is ridiculous.
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All this poo poo with the census ending early is really loving dumb. Seriously, people have had months to fill out like 5 questions that takes about 2 minutes on the Internet. If they don't have the Internet, fine, whatever, send it back in the mail. 10 minutes instead of 2 minutes. Not exactly hard to do. If there are people that don't want to be counted and resist every effort to count them, then they don't deserve to be represented if they're not interested in participating in the system.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Why are we seriously debating the merits of a hypothetical check and/or stimulus bill when the turtle has made it abundantly clear he won’t permit either of those things. Right, there’s nothing on the table right now. The larger picture is though, that basically there are two sides that want to get something hypothetically done (the Democrats because they want to help, Trump because he needs a win as a desperate last effort to improve his polls) and the Senate who has basically refused to even debate anything. The idea is that Trumps desperation might open a window for the Democrats to get a clean bill through - they’d pass something and he’d pressure the Senate to approve (which isn’t that likely) - and of Democrats are going to take this shot, they should do it with a bill that help the most people, unemployment, instead of the one Trump wants to pass, which is stimulus. Trump is likely desperate enough that he’d accept anything.
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:Right, there’s nothing on the table right now. The larger picture is though, that basically there are two sides that want to get something hypothetically done (the Democrats because they want to help, Trump because he needs a win as a desperate last effort to improve his polls) and the Senate who has basically refused to even debate anything. What Trump will or will not accept does not matter. He has no input on the issue right now.
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113% voter registration in Alaska at the moment. Couple of reasons why: high military pop, transitional population, and optional automatic enrollment for people that sign up for the PFD (when you sign up for the PFD only you can check a box that registers you to vote at the same time). https://twitter.com/AK_OK/status/1316119925568671744?s=19 I've been volunteering my rear end off for the Gross and Galvin campaigns. Here's to hopin'
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Lemming posted:I think people are confused about a clean check bill being on the table specifically because of how hilariously bad Pelosi flubbed that interview Yeah, there is no clean check bill. We need a new speaker of the house, but is there a better option available? Last time Pelosi was the least terrible choice.
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Lemming posted:I think people are confused about a clean check bill being on the table specifically because of how hilariously bad Pelosi flubbed that interview A clean bill is very vague phrasing that means whatever you want it to. Nice to know Wolf is carrying water for Trump again.
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Captain Oblivious posted:What Trump will or will not accept does not matter. He has no input on the issue right now. Mitch doesn’t care, he won’t take up the heroes act and Trump’s pressure is about as weak as the low flow toilets he complains about. He’s floundering with the polls the way they are and Mitch owes him nothing. He’s got no reason to pass anything because he doesn’t care about helping Trump as it won’t help Mitch’s election chances or the federalist society. Trump’s already in his lame duck period, he just doesn’t know it yet.
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Aineris posted:All this poo poo with the census ending early is really loving dumb. The people who haven’t completed the census are overwhelmingly the people that those in power are hoping don’t get counted.
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Djarum posted:https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1315766834046541825?s=20 I think it's a 90 second ad for this merchandise available at the URL.  The organization of the page is: video, followed by merch, then followed by his actual platform if you want to dignify it that much. I believe the merch preceding the platform, means that the merch is the platform and ye is having a moment sunning in the lumens of right wing grift. I don't usually spend more than $25-50 for a hoody, but when I do I want the only branding to be buried behind my neck so that no one knows I spent more than $25 on it, so the hoodie would check out if I wanted to spend 3-6x hoodie prices on 1 hoodie. Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Baronash posted:The people who haven’t completed the census are overwhelmingly the people that those in power are hoping don’t get counted. My point really is that it's not exactly hard to get counted. 10 goddamn minutes to fill out 5 really basic questions. If they don't want to be counted, then gently caress them. People need to have some skin in the game.
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Aineris posted:My point really is that it's not exactly hard to get counted. 10 goddamn minutes to fill out 5 really basic questions. If they don't want to be counted, then gently caress them. People need to have some skin in the game. Uh what about people who don't have a reliable address?
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, there is no clean check bill. Moreover, when's the last time a party in either the House or Senate made a leadership change that didn't involve the previous holder of the post dying or leaving office?
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The Oldest Man posted:Uh what about people who don't have a reliable address? Wrap a T-shirt around your face, walk to a public library (before those get defunded too), and go to https://2020census.gov/en.html There are questions in the wizard to look up your Census ID with no mailing address.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, there is no clean check bill. Barbara Lee, easily.
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