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Who What Now posted:In the original Alien movie the android got instructions to make sure the xenomorph got back to his masters why didn't he just, like, immediately vent the atmosphere of the ship and kill all the crew? I feel like there was a lot of things they didn't know about the alien? Instructions were to bring it back, and if you don't know it can survive in space, you don't want to just kill your prize.
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Wild T posted:Because the A2s always were a bit twitchy. That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. the entire movie is about rape hope that helps
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Admiral Bosch posted:the entire movie is about rape hope that helps Yeah that definitely explains robodick envy, thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. I mean, he's literally filled with cum and has no outlet. Instead of just strangling Ripley or snapping her neck he takes the time to grab a porn magazine, roll it into a tube and try to ram it down her throat. I'm no expert on robot murder but that definitely seems less "optimal way to kill an adult woman" and more "serial killer angry about his erectile dysfunction".
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quote:Ridley talked to Ian Holm about his character "How do you feel about sexual drive?". He said "Great".
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In what bastard region of the world is hooter slang for mouth?
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I'm guessing Ridley gauged Sigourney's reaction & at the last second said "Hooter? Er… We use that term to mean 'mouth' 'ere on this side of the pond!"
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Jamming it up her crotch or in her tits makes even less sense as a way to kill her.
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Who What Now posted:In the original Alien movie the android got instructions to make sure the xenomorph got back to his masters why didn't he just, like, immediately vent the atmosphere of the ship and kill all the crew? Androids can't be told to kill or bypass their internal programming from afar it looks like. You could if you had direct access to their internals probably, but simply being told 'crew expendable' isn't enough to turn it into a murder bot if it has the Asminov 3 rules or something like them. Instead you can see Ash trying to diplomat his way through it, trying to steer the crew into doing poo poo that benefits the alien recovery. You can see him internally freaking out when they are talking about getting the gently caress out of there. Until Ripley finds out and he is torn against his programming not to kill her, but he has to, but can't kill, but he has to, and he freaks the gently caress out. Also they didn't know what the alien was like, how it would react or anything. They just knew it was there. And when did Ash get the instructions? Before or after Kane got infected.
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Who What Now posted:In the original Alien movie the android got instructions to make sure the xenomorph got back to his masters why didn't he just, like, immediately vent the atmosphere of the ship and kill all the crew? Pretty clearly because he understood it was the perfect killing machine and the crew didn't have a chance to defeat it.
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Wild T posted:Or the vents. They're usually a shortcut between rooms where you're safe from human or robotic enemies. You do hear the alien running around in them but they're always ceiling vents that it spawns in and out of, so I figured that was a cosmetic noise and the vents were a safe place to travel. Nope. I'm crawling through a vent, turn a corner and the alien is right in my face waiting on me. drat near pissed myself. Just like Dallas! I had a similar experience and it's really a great testament to how the xeno AI in the game adapts to your behaviour and favourite hiding places. My first playthrough - coward that I, am I was on the easiest difficulty - I also thought the vents were a safe space because I'd spent the entire game crouching and moving slowly anyway. That changed on the very last part of the game (the room is on fire, there's a large vent system underneath the place, there are at least two xenos and I think their perception is buffed). Jump scares rarely do it for me; nothing in Dead Space 2 made me flinch at all, but no word a lie when I turned around to the alien clambering up on me, I screamed and threw down the PS4 controller. The higher difficulties are a nightmare. Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Oct 9, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/TheGr8Aspie/status/1314711581025087489?s=20
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Android Apocalypse posted:I'm guessing Ridley gauged Sigourney's reaction & at the last second said "Hooter? Er… We use that term to mean 'mouth' 'ere on this side of the pond!" drat, I had no idea Ridley Scott was a brit.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:drat, I had no idea Ridley Scott was a brit. Huh, I figured that was common knowledge. Listening to him talk you can hear his accent coming through.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:drat, I had no idea Ridley Scott was a brit. Sir Ridley Scott. He was knighted in 2003.
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Android Apocalypse posted:Huh, I figured that was common knowledge. Listening to him talk you can hear his accent coming through. Never heard him talk before. Actually I don't even remember what he looks like. I'm pretty sure he's been posted in here but I have a poor memory.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:Never heard him talk before. Actually I don't even remember what he looks like. I'm pretty sure he's been posted in here but I have a poor memory.
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Mister Speaker posted:Just like Dallas! The Alien AI is actually two AI's. There's the Alien itself but there's a second secret one that gives the Alien AI clues to where you are. So if you ever thought to yourself it seems to know where I'am but at the same doesn't that's the reason for it.
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Splicer posted:Is that why you have to keep thinking about Aliens? It keeps me grounded. I've had 36 rounds of ECT so my memory got hosed up. Could be why I never get sick of watching Aliens and I do probably 15-20 times a year.
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Keltar posted:The Alien AI is actually two AI's. There's the Alien itself but there's a second secret one that gives the Alien AI clues to where you are. So if you ever thought to yourself it seems to know where I'am but at the same doesn't that's the reason for it. That's actually pretty clever.
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Keltar posted:The Alien AI is actually two AI's. There's the Alien itself but there's a second secret one that gives the Alien AI clues to where you are. So if you ever thought to yourself it seems to know where I'am but at the same doesn't that's the reason for it. What do you mean "clues"? All I've noticed is that it seems to pick up on common places you've hidden after a while so they don't work as well. Or is that what you mean? It also seems to be getting gradually less and less scared of my flamethrower.
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BiggerBoat posted:What do you mean "clues"? All I've noticed is that it seems to pick up on common places you've hidden after a while so they don't work as well. Or is that what you mean? It also seems to be getting gradually less and less scared of my flamethrower. The Alien will adapt to what you do; if you use the flamethrower a lot then it’ll start to be less effective, if you hide in lockers a lot it’ll start checking there more often, etc.
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That's a scary rear end alien.
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I never finished it; I chickened out a little over halfway through the game.
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BiggerBoat posted:What do you mean "clues"? All I've noticed is that it seems to pick up on common places you've hidden after a while so they don't work as well. Or is that what you mean? It also seems to be getting gradually less and less scared of my flamethrower. I've read that the 2nd AI, which always knows where you are, keeps the primary AI from wandering too far away from you. Kind of a "you're getting warmer" idea. I think I remember earlier in the thread, someone saying that the Alien will eventually stop reacting to distractions the same way. If your M.O. is to throw a flare or noisemaker, and scoot in the other direction, the Alien will eventually wise up, and actively search for you away from where the distraction is.
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BiggerBoat posted:What do you mean "clues"? All I've noticed is that it seems to pick up on common places you've hidden after a while so they don't work as well. Or is that what you mean? It also seems to be getting gradually less and less scared of my flamethrower. It's absolutely fascinating and fully custom-built just for this game! There is a system of dual AIs that run the xeno behavior, and they are cleverly overlapped with the explicit purpose of preventing the computer from cheating while maintaining a level of threat that the game can control on the fly. Macro AI: Observer/director AI that tracks status and location of player. You cannot avoid it; it’s omniscient. It monitors the overall stress level the player is exposed to based on xeno’s time in proximity to player, time in line of sight of player, time on motion tracker, etc. This also controls the xeno’s progression through its own behavior tree throughout the game, which gives the impression that it’s learning new behaviors in reaction to the player’s progress. When this AI decides it's time you need to meet the beastie again, it will tell the other AI to go to a general area and perform a couple behaviors. However, it can't give specific locations, the order of behaviors, or the time limit of/between the behaviors. Micro AI: This is the xeno’s brain with pathfinding and local ‘senses’ that receive stimulus and respond in dynamic ways based on the xeno's current progress through the behavior tree. You can outsmart it in real time if you keep adapting to how it simultaneously adapts to you (say, if you use a noisemaker too much within a certain timeframe, the macro AI will unlock a 'reduce sensitivity to noisemaker until this behavior reaches cooldown' behavior for the micro AI, and if you keep using them more it'll unlock a 'check corner opposite from noisemaker occurrence since going to the noisemaker never works' behavior). It uses its programmed 'instincts' and senses with a few randomized factors (how long it walks around a room, how fast it chooses to walk, etc.) to carry out the tasks/behaviors given to it from the macro AI. This guy explains it way better than I can. It's brilliant stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt1XmiDwxhY Pissed Ape Sexist fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Oct 13, 2020 |
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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:It's absolutely fascinating and fully custom-built just for this game! There is a system of dual AIs that run the xeno behavior, and they are cleverly overlapped with the explicit purpose of preventing the computer from cheating while maintaining a level of threat that the game can control on the fly. that loving rules holy poo poo
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happyhippy posted:Androids can't be told to kill or bypass their internal programming from afar it looks like. Wikipedia posted:Captain Dallas discloses that Ash replaced the vessel's regular science officer two days before the ship left Thedus. When Ripley, by checking the main computer, discovers the real reason for the Nostromo's diversion, Ash assaults Ripley, Ash was a plant, he was following preprogrammed orders the whole time. Hillary 2024 fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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https://roguereviewer.wordpress.com/2020/10/12/defining-canon-in-an-alien-world/ One of the authors of the Alien RPG just put this up. quote:DEFINING CANON IN AN ALIEN WORLD Hillary 2024 fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Lot of bullshit in the tier 1 group
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The Zombie Guy posted:If your M.O. is to throw a flare or noisemaker, and scoot in the other direction, the Alien will eventually wise up, and actively search for you away from where the distraction is.
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Code Jockey posted:that loving rules holy poo poo Yeah, the mention of how they drew inspiration from other things such as Halloween or Jurassic Park, just makes me wish there were Halloween and Jurassic Park games with similar mechanics. I mean hell, you could easily just reskin the Alien into a Velociraptor and a T-Rex, and boom, now you have a scary Jurassic Park game.
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Iron Crowned posted:Yeah, the mention of how they drew inspiration from other things such as Halloween or Jurassic Park, just makes me wish there were Halloween and Jurassic Park games with similar mechanics. It already exists and terrified me as a child https://youtu.be/6xKt98r2FFA
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Splicer posted:Lot of bullshit in the tier 1 group It's basically just how Star Wars used to organize its EU canon. Movies and directly movie-related things go in the top level, stuff that has no contradictions but could be retconned away goes a layer under, and stuff that's off in crazytown or otherwise couldn't possibly gel with movies goes a layer under that.
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If anyone is into 3d printing check this out: https://blacksitestudio.com/digital-files/?fbclid=IwAR2updiOlrbfj9XCwJn1zqltc2zZtEzImxWqmiFNNmbJjhd1dSdP3xRdLPU&removed_item=1
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Owlbear Camus posted:If anyone is into 3d printing check this out: I love the names of all of them. Slightly changed. Lt. Elle Working Jim Executive Officer Cane
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Owlbear Camus posted:If anyone is into 3d printing check this out: Colony Android looks like Mads Mikkelsen and it owns.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I love the names of all of them. Slightly changed. I am a 3d printing hobbyist and this fig leaf is basically a fun industry practice across the board when small time digital artists are playing in someone else's IP pool.. They get pretty creative with the Star Wars stuff to keep Disney off their tip.
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