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ThomasPaine posted:The Tory party has always been about preserving class power as an institution but there is definitely an ideological split between its progressive-ish neolib more women CEOs Cameronite wing and its paternalistic nationalist wing. They're both awful but while the former is powered by cynical profit seeking the latter has historically been happy enough to use protectionism etc to protect British interests. I very much doubt your average early twentieth century Tory would have dreamed of selling off UK state assets to foreign powers, for example (though hell, this is just a hunch and I'm willing to be proven wrong). Yeah of the horde of people that seem to hate leftist ideals I think only a small number of them actually know what leftism is. The rich ruthless business types hate leftism because its an existential threat. Literally. They don't know and cannot conceive of a life where they're not rich and powerful. So leftism might as well be death. The rest envision the left as everything they don't like. Leftists like Corbyn are actual boogeymen to them. Actually plotting to blow up patriotic babies while singing irish songs being rude about the queen and making everyone muslim just to be mean! When they hear leftist ideas without knowing the source they tend to support them. Remember when everyone in the country seemingly decided they actually don't want free broadband because it removes the freedom to not have it. I don't think they even thought about anything other than it was Corbyn saying it. It's why I sometimes think the main issue with socialism and communism is branding and the names should be dropped but try explaining that opinion to an activist. The brand is VERY important. Also I am wrong about everything so whatever. Page .223 the official caliber of mass shootings and imperialism
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Endjinneer posted:Railchat: I like trains/trainchat, I lived in Polmont for some time *and* I was born in '84. It must mean something! (I do not recommend living in Polmont)
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ronya posted:hmm, maybe this works: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/5075097 ? The big concern will be making sure that both apertures are suitable for UK ducting.
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I have gotten the train past polmont a few times. If anyone is bothered I just got an email from the labour party saying to fix my membership before the 19th of october to be eligible for NEC elections, so if anyone is wanting to vote in those that presumably applies to you as well. They are supposedly to be held in november.
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's why I sometimes think the main issue with socialism and communism is branding and the names should be dropped A large part of this is because of a hundred years of rich-people-owned media campaigning against socialism. That's why you get the "socialist policies popular until the word socialism is mentioned" effect. So if you pick a new name for your policies and philosophy, the media will just campaign against that and you'll be back where you started, except you've pissed off all the socialists and communists, and you also demonstrate to the rich that all they need to destroy your philosophy and put you on the run is to keep up the smear campaign.
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Always a positive sign when I'm looking for reliable electrical equipment
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goddamnedtwisto posted:All of the people who knew will be given the face of Jeremy Corbyn, as will Savile. Lol wouldn't put it past them.
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Guavanaut posted:Always a positive sign when I'm looking for reliable electrical equipment China is 220v residential and 380v three-phase... You can just drop the store a message (in English; Aliexpress will automatically translate).
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Oct 14, 2020 18:49
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Guavanaut posted:Always a positive sign when I'm looking for reliable electrical equipment but, which one chinese 230v, euro 230v or indian 230v colour
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ronya posted:China is 220v residential and 380v three-phase...  Interesting about the auto translate. It looks like they've done the trick of just downrating the motor for 50Hz rather than winding it to two different frequencies, but China is 50Hz so I think that may mean it getting more stressed in the US rather than sluggish performance in the UK.
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Bit of a derail from covid and trainchat; I've been allocated an allotment! 125m2 for the pricey sum of £50 a year, should be in my hands within a week or so! So I wish to kit it out with a nice big shed but I'm obviously going to want to kit it out also with some form of heater and camping stove so I can drink tea and cook baked beans while I busy myself getting it all ready for next spring, is there anyone here with some advice on what I should be getting? There is also no running water so I'm going to have to look in to getting a water butt. Beans & butts hmm... (assuming heaters and propane stoves are not an issue but the rules haven't mentioned anything like that, surely tea drinking is mandatory on an allotment.)
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Guavanaut posted:It is, but those are voltages, not colours, unless something has gone badly wrong. If your three phase and regular voltages are at different frequencies they may constitute different colours as well.
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Guavanaut posted:It is, but those are voltages, not colours, unless something has gone badly wrong. I don't think Aliexpress allows options other than "colors" on a listing, hence It might not be the same motor in each case, either, and the housing might vary a fair bit from the listing too, really (this is Aliexpress after all)
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SpicePro posted:Bit of a derail from covid and trainchat; Congrats! What are you going to grow? I just got a second hand Trangia stove off eBay for camping. It uses methanol rather than propane but/and is rather satisfying to use. Is there electricity for your shed?
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ThomasPaine posted:I actually find the frequent alliance between right-wing nationalists and free-market libertarians really interesting, because at a surface reading you'd expect the patriotic types to despise the guys trying to constantly undermine state power to make an easy buck, and on paper you'd think they might have more common ground with the union old boys. Direct state investment and protectionist trade policies are far more efficient ways of both promoting growth and therefore national power + prestige, while at the same time creating secure jobs. See also: Harold Macmillan's numerous speeches despairing at the Thatcher era privatisations and growing inequality, which just made no sense to him as an actual One Nation Tory (lol that Johnson and Cameron both claim(ed) to be one-nationers!) for whom national pride and social compromise went hand in hand. Of course, being a One Nation Tory, he could only express his thoughts in the form of metaphors about aristocrats: SuperMac posted:It is very common with individuals or estates when they run into financial difficulties, to find that they have to sell some of their assets. First, the Georgian silver goes, then all that nice furniture that used to be in the saloon. Then the Canalettos go. Or: SuperMac posted:Modern economists have decided there is no difference between capital and income. I am not so sure. In my younger days, I and perhaps others of your Lordships had friends, good friends, very good fellows indeed too, who failed to make this distinction. For a few years everything went on very well, and then at last the crash came, and they were forced to retire out to some dingy lodging-house in Boulogne, or if the estate were larger and the trustees more generous, to a decent accommodation at Baden-Baden. The perfect distillation of One Nation Conservatism: being firmly against monetarism and genuinely having sympathy with those left destitute...but only being able to conceive of destitution as having to go and live in a hotel in France rather than a second home. Even when he used his maiden speech in the Lords to take Thatcher to task over the Miners Strike, his main justification for calling the miners "the best men in the world" was that he had led them against the Kaiser. Better than calling them the enemy within, I suppose. Would that the 'soft' wing of the Conservative party today still had people who called liberal capitalism a disease, though. Now it's basically the people who think the refugee camps should be run by the government instead of Serco.
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SpicePro posted:Bit of a derail from covid and trainchat; Yeah check your tenancy for it, I believe a few won't allow gas left on site. A bog standard butane stove will do the trick for cheap if you're only using it for this. Prices go up quickly as they become lightweight/camping specialised. Get a cheap 5L water tank from somewhere too, and fill it at home. Don't drink rainwater. Make sure you wash it fortnightly. But a rainwater butt for watering is good to save you walking to the tap 50 times a day. Also, congrats. My courgettes and sweetcorn failed.
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Ratjaculation posted:A bog standard butane stove will do the trick for cheap if you're only using it for this. Prices go up quickly as they become lightweight/camping specialised. Ratjaculation posted:Get a cheap 5L water tank from somewhere too, and fill it at home. Don't drink rainwater. Make sure you wash it fortnightly. But a rainwater butt for watering is good to save you walking to the tap 50 times a day. Rincewinds posted:Corona Virus
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killerwhat posted:Congrats! What are you going to grow? No I believe it has no amenities at all but I'll get to see on Monday. I've had quite a few suggestions but thinking about it this evening one thing I grew up with growing in my parent's garden was gooseberry and I don't recall seeing them in the shops...ever? Something to look into but tatties, carrots, leeks and wild garlic are things I eat weekly so probably I'd start there. Ratjaculation posted:Yeah check your tenancy for it, I believe a few won't allow gas left on site. That would be a shame if I can't leave gas on site but those mini camping stoves are fine to take back with me. I got myself a bike trailer during lockdown so water/equipment should not be an issue AND there is a Homebase only a mile from the plot so happy days.
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https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1316443729452990464?s=19 Even if Starmer isn't MI5 he's doing everything the MI5 would have a puppet do in his place.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1316443729452990464?s=19 Again, he was DPP. He was one of the chief co-workers of British Intelligence. I'm not sure why we need to assume he's either unrelated to them or directly taking orders from them. It's just a matter of public record that he's one of them.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1316443729452990464?s=19 Let's be fair, he may just be rewarding her with an outrageously salaried position for slagging off Corbyn on Twitter.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:GOON ISLAND 2 I found the listing and it has permission to build a breakwater and harbour! Seven staff rooms! A ludicrous 35 minute boat transfer from the Gunwharf! The mortgage is £17,000 a month at 2.4% with a 10% deposit!
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BalloonFish posted:Would that the 'soft' wing of the Conservative party today still had people who called liberal capitalism a disease, though. Now it's basically the people who think the refugee camps should be run by the government instead of Serco. I heard some of the presumably-Russian Facebook ads aimed at generally undermining the UK were (falsely) claiming Serco were responsible for the COVID app. Imagine being the lowly spook tasked with coming up with a rumour so stupid it was actually worse than what the government was already doing....
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I found the listing and it has permission to build a breakwater and harbour! Seven staff rooms! A ludicrous 35 minute boat transfer from the Gunwharf! The mortgage is £17,000 a month at 2.4% with a 10% deposit! That's only £740pcm if 23 of us go in for a bedroom each. I'm in.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I see these come up from time to time, are there lots of them or is it the same one getting put back up for sale every 6 months or so? Same one(s), mostly. There are three in the Solent off Portsmouth; this one and another of the same size, and a smaller one. This one has been a hotel/house for about 25 years but although it is very cool, it's hard to be viable as there's only a limited pool of very rich people who want to live on an artificial island 1.5 miles off the Isle of Wight with no mains electricity. That it had legionnaire's disease in its water supply a while back can't have helped. It's driven more than one owner to bankruptcy, and IIRC the last one barricaded himself inside to avoid his creditors. The other big fort has been derelict since the MoD moved out in the 1950s. In the 2010s all three forts were owned by the same firm and this one was cleared, cleaned, grit-blasted, painted and weather-proofed in preparation for conversion to housing, but the actual development never happened and AFAIK it's still empty. The small one, nearest to Portsmouth, has been refurbished for tours and private parties/functions for years. You used to be able to hear the music, smell the barbecue and see the laser display from Southsea Common. I think it changed hands a few years back and the new owners upgraded it to a poncey hotel.
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