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The two Moore movies that are legit good are The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only, for completely different reasons. The others have their memorable moments and plenty of defenders. Hell I'd say Octopussy is underrated.
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Cacator posted:The two Moore movies that are legit good are The Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only, for completely different reasons. The others have their memorable moments and plenty of defenders. Hell I'd say Octopussy is underrated. The Spy Who Loved Me is kind of like a greatest hits Bond movie. Some people don't like it because it's just a mash-up of Bond cliches and doesn't try anything new or risky, but it does them really super well and the greatest hits are the greatest hits for a reason. It's my favorite Bond movie. For Your Eyes Only is a bit more "realistic" and one of the more violent ones, while Octopussy goes the other direction and is as much a comedy as it is an action movie. I think they are both excellent but for extremely different reasons. FYEO also has arguably the most pretentious line of dialogue about wine ever spoken in a movie in the scene when Bond and Kristatos have dinner at the casino. Live And Let Die is pretty decent too I think, Roger Moore in that movie is incredibly handsome. It's very racist and it's got a few pretty lame scenes but for the most part it holds up quite well.
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Oct 14, 2020 23:19
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Live and Let Die is a weird mash up of James Bond and 1970s blaxploitation, but it's one of the better Moore films. I don't think any of Moore's movies after Moonraker are especially memorable or good, but For Your Eyes Only is an exception. It succeeds without the gadgetry or gimmicks. I'd say Spy Who Loved Me and For Your Eyes Only are probably the best Moore films. F_Shit_Fitzgerald fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Oct 14, 2020 23:25
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FYEO and SWLM are both missing John Barry, and just sound weird, which brings both movies down for me. In the opposite way, it bumps Octopussy up for me that he did it (and creates the few decent moments in AVTAK like the fire rescue).
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Oct 14, 2020 23:43
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Onto the Moores. I have only vague recollections of A View to a Kill. Which ones do people say are the good ones? The Spy Who Love Me. Maybe. None are great. But if you accept the camp then they are all good. The Moore period is probably the most consistent in terms of feel and quality. I think For Your Eyes Only is a bit more serious than the rest, but I think it's also the one with the horny teenage ice skater B plot. The Human Crouton fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Oct 14, 2020 23:51
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The Human Crouton posted:The Spy Who Love Me. Maybe. None are great. And Bond learning the villain's secret base from a chatty parrot. And Margaret Thatcher. I do like the fairly low stakes of that movie, though, and how it's all resolved.
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Oct 15, 2020 07:25
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Darko posted:FYEO and SWLM are both missing John Barry, and just sound weird, which brings both movies down for me.
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Oct 15, 2020 11:04
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Payndz posted:I even think Eric Serra's Goldeneye score is underrated. Wow.
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Oct 15, 2020 21:19
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Moonraker and Golden Gun are the most entertaining Moore movies, don't @ me
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Oct 15, 2020 21:24
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I agree with them tbh, Goldeneye's score is underrated. It was weird enough that most of it stuck in my mind permanently and random snatches of the music from the dam/airfield jump into my head frequently, which is really the only Bond film score I can say that about (no the Bond theme doesn't count)
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Oct 15, 2020 21:34
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Watching FYEO. Forgot this was the one with helicopter at the start. And shoot me, I have a soft spot for Diamonds.
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Oct 15, 2020 22:28
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It has the Bond theme played on kettle drums (or as David Arnold described it, "dustbins being thrown down a lift shaft". What's not to like?
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Oct 15, 2020 22:31
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I don't love the Goldeneye score as a Bond score but it is pretty good. I like the hollow, metallic sound of it. That's also the aspect I most associate with the N64 game.
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Oct 15, 2020 22:46
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Mantis42 posted:Moonraker and Golden Gun are the most entertaining Moore movies, don't @ me I love the double-take pigeon during the gondola scene in Moonraker.
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Oct 16, 2020 02:27
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the slide whistle sound effect lmao
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Oct 16, 2020 02:48
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Goldeneye score is not great but if you listen to podcasts and read internet articles (which if you're reading this thread then you probably do) then you would think it was the most terrible thing ever. I watched it in the cinema last week and it was Fine.
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Oct 16, 2020 04:39
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The Goldeneye score is pretty good at evoking what it's supposed to: technowar in freezing just-post-Soviet Russia and a sense of Bond being in a completely new world than we're accustomed. The musical pallete suits the tone of the film really well IMO.
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Oct 16, 2020 05:34
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As a score snob, the Goldeneye score has some great SONGS, but they don't really make a full score. The worst part about it is the car chase...thing....which was redone in MI2 with Hans Zimmer doing the score, which makes it even more odd in comparison (Woo was in talks to do Goldeneye, and it was realized in MI2 being a mix of License to Kill and Goldeneye).
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Oct 16, 2020 05:44
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The goldeneye score isn't completely terrible. This isn't bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMcUgh9GrOQ This is awful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACwkQP6q1QQ But on the other hand I think the Death of Largo (the chase music in Thunderball) was terrible too.
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Oct 16, 2020 12:50
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~Coxy posted:Goldeneye score is not great but if you listen to podcasts and read internet articles (which if you're reading this thread then you probably do) then you would think it was the most terrible thing ever. I'm a huge fan of movies where the score sounds like a temp track taken from a porn that no one bothered to replace. Every Bond movie costs five billion dollars to make and that is what they used. Of all the Bond movies the Brosnan set has probably aged the worst, and no one really bothers to defend anything after Goldeneye. It did have a tank chase, after all.
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Oct 16, 2020 14:41
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Mantis42 posted:Moonraker and Golden Gun are the most entertaining Moore movies, don't @ me You get it.
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Oct 16, 2020 14:44
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I think all the Moore movies are entertaining no matter how dumb they get except for View to a Kill. The only thing that has going for it is Duran Duran and Grace Jones. Otherwise it's a total slog and Walken feels wasted.
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Oct 16, 2020 16:18
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Goldfilter (2020) https://twitter.com/GrantTucker/status/1317025473864605697?s=20
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Oct 16, 2020 16:51
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The only Bond movie I straight up don’t like is Diamonds are Forever. It’s hideously ugly, boring, and stupid. Aside from that I can find something to enjoy in all of them.
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Oct 17, 2020 12:11
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Diamonds are Forever is right on the edge of being so stupid and bad it's fun, and being just bad. The only two things that stick out as being good to me and working as intended is the elevator fight which is one of the best fights in the franchise, and the scene where Bond is about to get roasted alive which I find downright unsettling.
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Oct 17, 2020 16:56
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DAF has one of the best Bond Girls, Plenty!!
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Oct 17, 2020 17:41
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Having grown up in Phoenix, my disappointment with DAF as a kid was hugely informed by my hatred of the American southwest. I watched Bond movies to pretend I was somewhere besides the dumb desert, drat it.
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Oct 17, 2020 18:21
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I'm a huge fan of movies where the score sounds like a temp track taken from a porn that no one bothered to replace. Every Bond movie costs five billion dollars to make and that is what they used. World Is Not Enough is a total hidden gem. And it has a fantastic score. Brosnan may have been the best actor in bad movies as well.
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Oct 17, 2020 19:20
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DAF is also extra offensive because in the book, Tiffany Case is one of the best Bond girls. She’s one of the few outright wisecrackers in the series, more competent than Bond in pretty much everything except violence, saves his life multiple times (including dragging him through the desert), and has a relatively complex personality and tragic backstory. And then the movie makes her the requisite dumbass sidekick who’s there to just wear skimpy outfits and make Bond’s life harder with her stupidity.
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Oct 17, 2020 19:34
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Violator posted:DAF has one of the best Bond Girls, Plenty!! Bond never slept with her so not a Bond girl. Sorry. That's the rules.
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Oct 17, 2020 19:35
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LionArcher posted:World Is Not Enough is a total hidden gem. And it has a fantastic score. Brosnan may have been the best actor in bad movies as well. TWINE is pretty middling in my book. All the set pieces are kind of theme parky and lack suspense, and the plot is neither complex nor campy enough to be interesting. Brosnan, Dench, and Sophie Marceau are all really good in it though and the lady villain was a good character. Azerbaijan was a cool location for a Bond flick too.
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Oct 17, 2020 20:41
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AFewBricksShy posted:The goldeneye score isn't completely terrible. Even as someone who like the Goldeneye score my subconscious genuinely tries to force me to forget the Xenia race music lmfao. Goodness gracious
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Oct 17, 2020 21:14
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Random trivia: the Bond vs Xenia race was filmed on the same road used for the first part of the Nice car chase in Ronin. (In both cases it's some way from where it's meant to be, above Monaco.)
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Oct 17, 2020 21:20
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Drink-Mix Man posted:TWINE is pretty middling in my book. All the set pieces are kind of theme parky and lack suspense, and the plot is neither complex nor campy enough to be interesting. Brosnan, Dench, and Sophie Marceau are all really good in it though and the lady villain was a good character. Azerbaijan was a cool location for a Bond flick too. When I was re-watching the Brosnan films a couple years ago now (I love the thread title being the same here on the cusp of 2021) I had a discussion elsewhere about if Bond is a toxic protagonist. quote:Bond has improved at least. You say sexist and mention his being a manslut but that's not really the problem. Now think of one of Bond's most famous movies, Goldfinger, and how James Bond slaps a woman on the rear end and tells her to run along while the men have important talk. That is yikes. And somebody responded with one of my favorite summations of why Bond is so enduring: quote:The thing is, the 'Bond film' genre has become broad enough that it depends a lot on what the director or writer wants to say with him. As you say, a lot of the Brosnan films do have this sense that the world is moving on, that Bond is antiquated and unprepared for the world of the end of the 20th century, and we see the character struggling to establish his continuing relevance. So Judi Dench's M is introduced as a symbol of this new MI6, a creature of the new world, but one whose willpower is every bit as strong as Bond's: an iron lady who definitely a match for her toughest employee. The tension between Bond and M in the changing world adds a lot of spark to those films. Bond is a time capsule or snapshot of when his films were made in a really distinctive way.
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Oct 17, 2020 21:26
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It was pointed out in my Fleming book thread that the Bond films are generally very reactionary and products of their time. They’re rarely innovative outside of what their budget provides for stuntwork or effects (like the Golden Gun broken bridge jump, which was actually groundbreaking in the industry) and are almost always following the leader elsewhere or basing their plots directly on current events and politics. Moonraker is the worst example, as FYEO was even teased as the next film but the sudden interest in sci-fi after Star Wars led them to hastily put a Moonraker adaptation into production to jump on the bandwagon. It’s why I find the original books more interesting in many ways. They’re still a time capsule of their period, but all through an unchanging lens: the view of one author and his fictional character, who’s very far from the hypercompetent middle-aged hero cracking one-liners of the films. There was no obligation to alter anything to meet audience expectations or follow along with current trends, and Bond as a character often ignored contemporary trends and social expectations entirely.
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Oct 17, 2020 21:38
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Andorra posted:Diamonds are Forever is right on the edge of being so stupid and bad it's fun, and being just bad. The only two things that stick out as being good to me and working as intended is the elevator fight which is one of the best fights in the franchise, and the scene where Bond is about to get roasted alive which I find downright unsettling. The third good part when they imply the moon landing was fake by having Bond drive through the soundstage where they're shooting moon footage and the "astronauts" are still moving in slo-mo on earth.
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Oct 17, 2020 21:52
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NikkolasKing posted:You won't see that today, thank god. In Skyfall, Bond identifies a woman as a sex slave since she was a child. He then sneaks on her boat, walks in on her in the shower, and "coerces" her into sex. This is then followed by her being brutally murdered by the villain, which results in a quip from Bond and the character immediately forgotton. This is the same movie where Moneypenny only exists because she got demoted for not being able to make an impossible shot and M just fucken' dying miserably so she could be replaced by a man.  Hot take: Skyfall sucks poo poo. It's gorgeous thanks to Roger Deakins but can otherwise be thrown into the trash. Edit: The score for For Your Eyes Only absolutely bangs. Al Cu Ad Solte fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Oct 19, 2020 |
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Oct 18, 2020 12:45
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I've been listening through all the scores while I'm working, just because I never have. My impressions so far: Dr. No: I used to think all the Caribbean oldies were hokey as a kid, but now I really dig this soundtrack and think it's a cool collection of music in general. I can imagine it being a popular album for its time. It's actually kind of a shame we'll probably never get another Bond film where the soundtrack is comprised of popular regional music like this. From Russia With Love: I remember liking it when I listened to it, but couldn't tell you anything about it now. Goldfinger: This score owns. Every time the the theme song motif comes in it's baller. The whole thing is just swanky and exciting and makes me want to watch the movie right now. Thunderball: zzzzzzzzz You Only Live Twice: It's alright. I find myself whistling the theme song a lot, though, despite never really being crazy about it, so they must have done something right. Had to turn it off though after hearing too many variations on the main Bond theme in a row.
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Oct 19, 2020 20:54
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Drink-Mix Man posted:
You may also have had it secretly implanted in your head a long time ago by the Robbie Williams song Millennium. It's one of my favourite Bond theme songs. Love listening to it with headphones especially for the electric guitar twanging in the background. Lobok fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Oct 19, 2020 |
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YOLT has the space theme which is one of the most definitive Bond themes. Austin Powers and Incredibles riff in it quite well too.
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