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- Fojar38
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Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia
also here's a stupid take
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And now, for your daily 
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-canada-china-mark-50-years-of-diplomatic-ties/
quote:Members of the Canada-China business establishment in Beijing applauded a senior Chinese official who demanded the release of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou and held Ottawa solely responsible for problems between the two countries.
Loud clapping rang out in a ballroom at the Four Seasons hotel in the Chinese capital on Tuesday when vice-minister of commerce Wang Shouwen called for Ms. Meng to “come back to her homeland as soon as possible.” He was speaking at a dinner for the Canada-China Business Council annual general meeting.
The room remained quiet when the Canadian government asked for equal treatment. Silence followed when Mary Ng, Minister of Small Business, Export Promotion and International Trade, called for the release of Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, who are being held in spartan Chinese detention centres, and requested clemency for Robert Schellenberg, a Canadian sentenced to death on drug charges. It was silent, too, when Canadian ambassador Dominic Barton called for the same.
Nearly two years after the arrest of Ms. Meng in the Vancouver airport at the request of U.S. authorities, a gulf is widening between Canadians who want little to do with Beijing and those with financial interests in China who see acquiescence to Beijing’s demands as the simplest way out of the impasse.
“That this issue has been dragging is frustrating,” said Olivier Desmarais, the scion of one of Canada’s most influential corporate families who is senior vice-president of Power Corp. and chairs the business council.
Members of the group “very much want to see these legal cases resolved,” Mr. Desmarais said in a videotaped address to the dinner on Tuesday night, in a reference to Ms. Meng and the two Canadians.
The scallop and strip-loin dinner sponsored by Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. and several Canadian firms was the closest the two countries came to a commemorative event on Tuesday for the 50th anniversary of diplomatic relations. Leaders in Ottawa and Beijing did not have a phone call to mark the date, which in the past has been feted as a moment Canada helped spark broad Western recognition of Communist-run China. This year, it comes amid an intractable dispute.
Montreal-headquartered Power Corp. has long held a position of unique influence between the two countries, and Mr. Desmarais’s comments express a sentiment that has grown among a business establishment that sees China as a place of long-term growth and an immediate salve to the pain of the pandemic. While Canada’s worldwide exports fell 16.7 per cent in the first seven months of the year, they were up 2.2 per cent to China.
“The Chinese market is incredibly important to Canadian jobs,” with salaries that “depend on a strong continued relationship,” Mr. Desmarais said.
A recent Pew Research Center survey showed that Canadian public opinion toward China has plunged to levels never before recorded, with 73 per cent now holding unfavourable views of the country.
Foreign Affairs Minister François-Philippe Champagne, too, has adopted a more skeptical posture to China, saying that much of the agenda between the two countries, including talks toward a free-trade agreement, has been placed on hold or halted.
Canadian businesses, however, continue to press for greater ties – and the Chinese government is renewing its push for a trade deal. A “free-trade agreement is in line with our interests,” Mr. Wang, the vice-minister, said on Tuesday, adding that liberalized trade could expand flows of capital and talent and “bring more dividends to people on both sides.”
“China is opening its door wider and wider,” he said. “Canada could open its door wider and wider to China as well.” He assigned Ottawa full blame for problems between the two countries. “The source of those difficulties and responsibility for them does not lie with the Chinese side,” he said.
Canadian corporations have sought to ignore political frictions.
Canadian-built brands such as Tim Hortons, Lululemon, Canada Goose and Arc’teryx have been expanding their Chinese business. Arc’teryx, now owned by Chinese sporting goods conglomerate Anta Sports, recently opened its largest corporate flagship in Shanghai and more than doubled its National Day holiday sales in China compared with 2019, said Samuel Tsui, general manager of Arc’teryx Greater China.
“Business is incredible,” he said.
Huawei increased its research and development spending in Canada by 30 per cent this year. Huawei has kept “our commitment to the country,” said Yan Lida, a board member of the Chinese technology giant.
“There’s a lot of noise out there, a lot of ripples on the surface, a lot of posturing,” said Bob Kwauk, an emeritus partner with Blake Cassels Graydon LLP, who led the firm’s Beijing office. “But business, trade will get done.”
Mr. Barton noted that China’s retail sales market is now nearly equal in size to that of the United States.
“China is here to stay. It’s going to be and is already a superpower in what they’re doing, and we have to figure out how to work together over the next 50 years,” he said. Ottawa has made a priority of “getting our relationship right,” he said, and wants “to deepen our understanding of China. Deepen our China capabilities, with the ambition of having the best China desk in the G7.”
Mr. Desmarais pointed to ways China and Canada can meet each others' needs in innovation, health care and environmental technologies.
“Honestly, we could do so much together,” he said.
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Oct 14, 2020 20:51
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- Shumagorath
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That closing quote is from Hellraiser, right?
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Oct 14, 2020 22:59
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- Blistex
- Oct 30, 2003
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Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler
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That closing quote is from Hellraiser, right?
"Xi Jinping wept"
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Oct 14, 2020 23:11
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- SerCypher
- May 10, 2006
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Gay baby jail...? What the hell?
I really don't like the sound of that...
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E: Never mind I realised I was overwhelmingly stupid once I actually applied thought
Glad you applied self-criticism comrade. Continue to work on Xi Jinping thought.
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Oct 15, 2020 17:29
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- ninjoatse.cx
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I'm sure giving in will appease them, this time.
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Oct 15, 2020 18:11
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- Strategic Tea
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Liberte, Egalite, Do whatever they say
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Oct 15, 2020 20:36
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- Zarin
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I SEE YOU
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Maybe I'm real dumb, but my read was that they were postponing it because they didn't wanna change poo poo and they weren't gonna be able to get the materials from that Chinese museum if they didn't agree
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Oct 15, 2020 20:42
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- SerCypher
- May 10, 2006
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Gay baby jail...? What the hell?
I really don't like the sound of that...
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Maybe I'm real dumb, but my read was that they were postponing it because they didn't wanna change poo poo and they weren't gonna be able to get the materials from that Chinese museum if they didn't agree
They've said they're sourcing things from other collections to make up for it.
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Oct 15, 2020 21:24
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- ninjoatse.cx
- Apr 9, 2005
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Maybe I'm real dumb, but my read was that they were postponing it because they didn't wanna change poo poo and they weren't gonna be able to get the materials from that Chinese museum if they didn't agree
guess I didn't read between the lines. For some reason I just thought the collaboration was just presenters.
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Oct 15, 2020 21:47
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- HugeGrossBurrito
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Xi: I get a little bit Gen*retracted*
I don't want you to get it on
With nobody else but me
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Oct 15, 2020 22:29
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- Zarin
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I SEE YOU
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guess I didn't read between the lines. For some reason I just thought the collaboration was just presenters.
Oh, I mean, there may be a shitload of complex socio-political nonsense going on there that I'm completely unaware of, but I didn't think of it as appeasement when they're basically saying "this level of revisionism violates everything we've ever stood for"
But maybe that IS appeasement in the sense that the exhibit is postponed.
I legitimately don't know, to be honest! Which is why I prefaced with "maybe I'm dumb", because - as history as proven time and again - I am!
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Oct 15, 2020 22:32
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- Fojar38
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Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia
also here's a stupid take
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 If you are a Canadian in China or Hong Kong, get out now
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-chinese-envoy-says-canadas-acceptance-of-hong-kong-refugees/
quote:China’s ambassador to Canada is urging Ottawa to stop granting asylum to democracy activists from Hong Kong, whom he described as “violent criminals,” and warned that accepting these people could jeopardize the “health and safety” of 300,000 Canadians who live in the former British colony.
Asked if he was issuing a threat, envoy Cong Peiwu replied: “That is your interpretation.”
Mr. Cong used a press conference on Thursday to say Beijing finds it unacceptable that Canada recently accepted two Hong Kong pro-democracy dissidents as political refugees. He also took strong exception to a call from nearly 60 MPs and senators to shelter more Hong Kong residents fleeing China’s national-security law.
“We strongly urge the Canadian side not to grant so-called political asylum to those violent criminals in Hong Kong, because it is interference in China’s domestic affairs, and certainly it will embolden those violent criminals,” he said.
The Globe and Mail has reported that Canada has accepted at least two Hong Kong activists as refugees, granting them protection in early September. More than 45 other dissidents are waiting on approval for asylum, sources have told The Globe.
Mr. Cong indicated any further action to shelter Hong Kong residents could have consequences for the many Canadians living in the Asian financial hub.
“If the Canadian side really cares about the stability and the prosperity in Hong Kong, and really cares about the good health and safety of those 300,000 Canadian passport holders in Hong Kong and the large number of Canadian companies operating in Hong Kong . . . you should support those efforts to fight violent crimes,” he said.
More than three months ago, Beijing imposed a new national-security law on Hong Kong that criminalizes dissent and protest with penalties of up to life in prison.
Mr. Cong said the measure provides stability.
“I want to make clear that a stable and prosperous Hong Kong …is not only in the interest of the vast majority of Hong Kong residents, but it is also conducive to the majority of those ... law-abiding foreigners and enterprises in Hong Kong,” he said.
The ambassador also said Beijing would have a “strong reaction” if Parliament were to pass any resolution that condemned China’s treatment of its Muslim Uyghur minority as “genocide.” More than one million Uyghurs are in detention camps in Xinjiang province, facilities the Chinese government calls “vocational and education training centres."
“We will take resolute measures to safeguard our sovereignty and national security,” he said. He rejected widespread allegations that genocide is taking place in Xinjiang, saying the Uyghurs “live in harmony ... and [China’s] human rights record is the best in history.”
The Canadian government did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Mr. Cong also lashed out Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who on Tuesday marked the 50th anniversary of the re-establishment of diplomatic relations by accusing China of resorting to “coercive diplomacy” in its crackdown in Hong Kong, human rights abuses against Uyghurs and the arbitrary detentions of Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor.
“There is no coercive diplomacy on the Chinese side,” he said. “The Hong Kong issue and the Xinjiang-related issue are not about the issue of human rights. They are purely about internal affairs of China, which brooks no interference from the outside.”
Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan last week described Mr. Kovrig and Mr. Spavor, who were locked up days after Ottawa arrested a Chinese executive of Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd. on a U.S. extradition request, as victims of Chinese “hostage diplomacy.” But Mr. Cong said on Thursday the cases are not connected, and that the two men are suspected of “engaging in activities which endangered our national security.”
Mr. Cong called for the immediate release of the Huawei executive, Meng Wanzhou, and praised former Canadian officials and diplomats from the Jean Chrétien era who have publicly urged a prisoner exchange. The two Canadians were imprisoned in December, 2018, shortly after Ms. Meng was detained over allegations of bank fraud relating to violations of U.S. sanctions against Iran.
More than 60 MPs and senators signed a joint statement on Thursday calling on the Prime Minister to create a “safe harbour program” for Hong Kong residents and offer them permanent residency. Canada has strong ties to Hong Kong, with more than half a million Canadians tracing their roots to the city.
Canadians of Hong Kong origin on Thursday urged Canada to do more.
“Hong Kong has been turned into a police state," Gloria Fung, president of Canada-Hong Kong Link, said at a press conference on Thursday. "Over 10,000 people have been arrested, the youngest of them 11 years old. There have been numerous disappearances and apparent killings made to look like suicide.
“Our Prime Minister has pledged to help protect human rights worldwide. However, earnest words of concern have not helped the people of Hong Kong as they face a worsening humanitarian crisis," she said. "Shamefully, Canada’s federal government has done little to help.”
Mabel Tung, chair of the Vancouver Society in Support of Democratic Movement, has criticized Mr. Trudeau for moving quickly to impose sanctions on officials in economically insignificant countries such as Belarus but ignoring calls for sanctions on Chinese and Hong Kong officials over human-rights abuses.
“We can only conclude our elected officials ... are intimidated by the political and economic clout of China,” she said.
On Thursday, 17 civil rights groups, including Democracy and Human Rights for China and Friends of Hong Kong Calgary, urged Canada to remove pandemic restrictions that prevent would-be refugees from flying here to seek asylum. The people recently granted asylum and the group awaiting approval arrived before the borders were closed in March.
They called on Canada to take special measures to enable activists to leave Hong Kong despite COVID-19 travel restrictions or confiscated travel documents.
Former Liberal justice minister Irwin Cotler, who is supporting these calls to action, described China as now the greatest threat to the international legal order.
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Oct 15, 2020 23:09
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- hakimashou
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Been saying this, all the communist regime can do to retaliate against developed countries is to retaliate against the persons of their citizens unfortunate enough to be in China. Leave.
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Oct 16, 2020 00:06
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- Noblesse Obliged
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Yikes that’s a lot of Michael’s
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Oct 16, 2020 00:13
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- oohhboy
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by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
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They've said they're sourcing things from other collections to make up for it.
I bet they would score some good stuff at the British Museum.
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Oct 16, 2020 05:47
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- Devils Affricate
- Jan 22, 2010
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My name's not Michael so I'm ok. But yes, I have an exit plan.
Unless your exit plan is starving to death in an oubliette, I'd suggest you start executing that plan right now
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Oct 16, 2020 16:56
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- Pistol_Pete
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Wait, there's 300,000 Canadians living in Hong Kong??
I thought there were only about 300,000 Canadians full stop.
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Oct 16, 2020 17:04
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- Porfiriato
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Wolf warrior diplomacy paying dividends, vol. 888:
U.S.’s China Hawks Drive Hard-Line Policies After Trump Turns on Beijing
Long and decent read, but the key point
quote:Mr. Trump’s senior advisers say there wasn’t a specific meeting that made it clear he was going on the offensive. Rather his dissatisfaction mounted in the spring as the new coronavirus spread from China to the U.S., killing Americans, wrecking the economy and threatening his reelection, current and former officials say. He turned from commending China for mitigating the outbreak to blaming it for its spread, as his administration faced criticism for its handling of the pandemic. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian’s tweet in March of an unsubstantiated theory that U.S. soldiers may have brought the coronavirus to China enraged Trump more than anything else, said an administration official.
I remember around that time there was some speculation whether Trump was even aware of the stuff being vomited out in press conferences and on Twitter by the Chinese Foreign Ministry, I guess the answer is yes.
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Oct 17, 2020 06:43
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- snergle
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A kind little mouse!
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Wait, there's 300,000 Canadians living in Hong Kong??
I thought there were only about 300,000 Canadians full stop.
both statements are true. they all moved to hk.
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Oct 17, 2020 18:18
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- Fojar38
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Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia
also here's a stupid take
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huh okay
https://www.lightreading.com/5g/fake-dumb-and-poor-huawei-exec-unloads-on-china-5g-/d/d-id/764654
quote:Ryan Ding, the head of Huawei's carrier business, has tipped a bucket of ice water on China's 5G.
China might have the world's biggest rollout and the largest number of customers, but compared to other countries – in particular South Korea – he says China's 5G is "fake, dumb and poor."
"China's 5G still has a gap in user experience, coverage and creating commercial closed-loop," he told a China industry event on Wednesday, Sina Tech website reported.
Ding said the average downlink rate on South Korean networks is more than 600 Mbit/s, compared to 270 Mbit/s in China, while at end-September 5G penetration was 25% in South Korea and 8% in China.
He said 5G is starting to power growth in revenue and profit for the South Korean operators, yet Chinese telcos have so far seen zero return from their massive investments.
Say what you mean
Ding acknowledged that the just-completed first phase of 5G is "a great improvement over the 4G experience," but China's 5G still had many problems.
"To put it in three simple words, it's fake, dumb and poor."
In many cases the user's phone has a 5G logo but no 5G coverage, he said. "The experience is still 4G, but the display is 5G. They are not connected to the 5G network and can't make 5G calls."
Additionally, users might have 5G coverage, but happen to be on the edge of multiple cells, leading to frequent handover between 4G and 5G and very poor user experience.
Ding said although the number of 5G users in China had reached 150 million, according to operator subscriber totals, many of these were using 5G packages with 4G phones.
"There are also many users who have 5G mobile phones, but there is no 5G coverage on the network."
He said operators face escalating operating costs, in particular the energy cost.
5G equipment will greatly increase the power consumption of basestations, but according to a Huawei survey of operator networks, about 32% of cellsites had insufficient power.
Ding's remarks are a contrast to the usual congratulatory public discussion on 5G, where officials and execs cite raw numbers of basestations and subs totals as markers of success.
He urged operators to build out 5G business ecosystems through innovative and differentiated applications.
He said they also need to slash expenditure and optimize TCO and restructure their IT platforms to accommodate a massive increase in load in the next two to three years.
F for Ryan Ding
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Oct 18, 2020 01:00
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- BrigadierSensible
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I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.
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Forgive me if this is stupid. But I have questions about Chinese citizenship.
Does China allow dual-citizenship? Or do you have to renounce your Chinese citizenship/passport to get citizenship of another country.
My dad is Indian born, and had to renounce his Indian citizenship to get his Australian citizenship/passport, but India allowed him to get a PIO, (Person of Indian Origin) card thing that allows him visa free entry and exit into and out of India for the rest of his life, (so long as he keeps paying the annual fee.). As my brother and I were born in Aus, we don't qualify. Does China offer something similar for it's expats/diaspora?
I ask the same questions as above re: Taiwan citizenship, and also HK passport holders.
A related question, can foreign citizens become Party members? Surely there are tankies out there begging to become full members of the CCP. And if so, are these foreign party members subject to the same scrutiny/rules/oppression as local ones? (i.e. a poster here said his party member father in law had to keep his passport at the local party office.)
Sorry again if these are stupid questions.
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Oct 18, 2020 02:10
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- Noblesse Obliged
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I still thing 5G is a big dumb marketing ploy and won’t do anything for me.
It’s like the gillette school of unnecessary products.
Why have only 4Gs when you can have 5!!!
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Oct 18, 2020 02:10
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Oct 14, 2020 15:10
: "daddy i designed a new reeducation chamber that's much more material-efficient than those old clunkers from the 1940s!"
: "innovation beyond measure"
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