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So oh no Interstellar cooperation is dead because nobody can use warp drive in a trustworthy way OH HEY HERE COMES A SHIP WITH A NEW DRIVE SYSTEM Get ready for Federation Mk 2: now with mushrooms. Teek posted:
That doesn't really make much sense though, the entire point of Daniels's agency was timecops who stopped other people using time travel illegally. Outlawing it doesn't do much if the tech is out there. Thom12255 posted:I'm guessing the Federation is just Earth and Vulcan and maybe some others now I assume it's as many as there are stars on the banner MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Oct 16, 2020 |
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King Burgundy posted:Yeah, I was assuming it was an infrastructure problem. Like the accident causes an initial large number of staff/machinery to go down. The remaining people/infrastructure were too thinly spread out across vast reaches of space and so bit by bit various linkages failed. ok cool; yeah a network failure is the only way that line makes sense to me 
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That was an enjoyable episode! I loved the Icelandic scenery. The futuristic tech looked cool but holy poo poo it HURT to look at. Not only is it all bright as hell but the way some of the scenes were shot made it so my eyes didn’t know where to rest, I guess? I don’t know how to explain it. Maybe it was intentional! Maybe I’m from the mirror universe  Enjoyed Burnham getting the space drugs and boring the security officers with her problems. Also Book rescues endangered animals? That’s adorable 
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Dilithium's role has always been vague and contradictory enough that you might well be able to retcon that it's a necessary part of producing warp plasma that even the Romulans require, even if they don't use it in Matter/Antimatter reactors. In TOS the crystals were charged and energised off the reaction as part of powering the ship, for example. And hell, we know that Romulans do mine dilithium. (Maybe Cochrane was able to artificially synthesise a tiny fragment)
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HOLY gently caress posted:That was an enjoyable episode! I loved the Icelandic scenery. Point the camera the other way and you'd see this: https://www.bluelagoon.com/accommodation It's a little hard to get the silica out of your hair if you get any of that blue milk in it though. (The pools are the outflow from their geothermal powerplant. While others are rolling coal, Iceland's energy generation waste by-product is a nice spa.)
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I've been saying elsewhere that the megaman cannons look real stupid ever since we got that shot of a bunch of dudes with them running. Continues the proud Star Trek tradition of space guns looking terrible.
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HOLY gently caress posted:Maybe I’m from the mirror universe That depends. Have you passed through an ion storm lately?
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Gonz posted:That depends. Have you passed through an ion storm lately? Only ironically.  Lights hurt and I haven’t slept for 3 days, that’s normal, right?^also yeah, the hand cannon things were ridiculous. looked like a hairdryer
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The handguns were Mega Man-esque. I expected Drill Man to appear out of nowhere.
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HOLY gently caress posted:Only ironically. not the first time a star trek weapon has looked like a home appliance 
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Oct 16, 2020 05:26
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As someone who likes trek a lot, but doesn't know every minute detail, can someone explain the vastness of the finale scene? He mentioned the size of the area he can scan for comms, and there being 2 federation ships in it and there being, I think, 30 sectors? How much space are we talking here, how long does that distance take to traverse at warp 8/9 etc?
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I enjoyed the programmable matter stuff that apparently could just hover in mid-air. But the interfaces using it seem like they'd be hard to use.
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Zotix posted:As someone who likes trek a lot, but doesn't know every minute detail, can someone explain the vastness of the finale scene? He mentioned the size of the area he can scan for comms, and there being 2 federation ships in it and there being, I think, 30 sectors? How much space are we talking here, how long does that distance take to traverse at warp 8/9 etc? He mentions that it was 2 ships within a 600 light year radius.
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Zotix posted:As someone who likes trek a lot, but doesn't know every minute detail, can someone explain the vastness of the finale scene? He mentioned the size of the area he can scan for comms, and there being 2 federation ships in it and there being, I think, 30 sectors? How much space are we talking here, how long does that distance take to traverse at warp 8/9 etc? https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor quote:According to Star Trek: Voyager Technical Manual (pp. 4 & 27), a sector (about twenty light years) took four days to cross at warp 9.6, five days at warp 9 and about nineteen days at warp 6. However, in VOY: "The Voyager Conspiracy", the ship cuts three years off its journey by crossing thirty sectors, implying that they expected to travel more than a month (or approximately 36.5 days) to cross a sector. Although reading these articles, it seems like the speeds are pretty inconsistent. It doesn't help that some of the stuff they have on there mixes up TOS and TNG+ speeds, even though one article says they changed the warp scale after TOS to have its maximum be infinite speed or Warp 10. They have always moved at the speed of plot anyways, so big caveat here.
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I really like the guy who was torchbearing for the Federation day in and day out for decades. Something about him really got to me. I genuinely felt happy for him when he finally came face to face with what is essentially a representation of his God. A shame that was Burnham though.
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I actually appreciated they seem somewhat self aware of how annoying Burnham is with her constant “wait, am I overcompensating for something” high rant lol
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Zotix posted:As someone who likes trek a lot, but doesn't know every minute detail, can someone explain the vastness of the finale scene? He mentioned the size of the area he can scan for comms, and there being 2 federation ships in it and there being, I think, 30 sectors? How much space are we talking here, how long does that distance take to traverse at warp 8/9 etc? Travel time/distance have never been even a little consistent in Trek so there's no way to really know.
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So this is only the first half of an actual premier? It was kind of interesting, looking forward to seeing more of the rest of the crew.
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I like the shiny Orion and Andorian guards. They were *really* shiny.
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All the dilithium blew up? lol So bad.
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I just don't like the Andorian redesign much. Not as bad as the Klingons but still, eh. The Tellarites are better. And far as I could tell they didn't change Lurians or Cardassians. Orion's always just been "green" so whatever.
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They should of went with the Warp climate change poo poo would of made more sense and been an allegory to us which Trek (used to) love to do.
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socialsecurity posted:They should of went with the Warp climate change poo poo would of made more sense and been an allegory to us which Trek (used to) love to do. I mean, this seems like a no brainer to me
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Crusader posted:Puzzled by one comment: "the long range sensors failed decades ago"... why would that be? Beyond the Great Dilithium Murder Mystery, there doesn't seem to be a general technological decline that would lead to something like "we forgot how sensors worked". yeah seems to be a problem with subspace itself, which would impact long range sensors and comms
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Book mentioned that the wormhole damaged subspace for two light-years or something. Also, I'd that guy is the only person on that station, it's not surprising that things are breaking and don't get fixed. But that felt more like they didn't want to hire more actors or something. This big station that lets this guy live a nice life for 40 years and no one else decided to live there as well?
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pik_d posted:I have to wonder what this all means for Calypso. The ship was sitting there for 1000 years and the Federation had become the V'draysh. In 3188 it's still called the Federation so does that mean Calpso might not have occurred for another 1000 years, in the 42nd century? I don't think we're ever gonna get a resolution to that. Based on when it was made and all the show runner shuffling I suspect it was based around some early ideas they had about how Discovery would end up in the far future, which then changed a lot as Season 2 went into production. MikeJF posted:Dilithium's role has always been vague and contradictory enough that you might well be able to retcon that it's a necessary part of producing warp plasma that even the Romulans require, even if they don't use it in Matter/Antimatter reactors. In TOS the crystals were charged and energised off the reaction as part of powering the ship, for example. And hell, we know that Romulans do mine dilithium. Yeah. TBH even by the standards of Treknobabble the way dilithium was described as being used didn't really make sense. Cojawfee posted:Book mentioned that the wormhole damaged subspace for two light-years or something. Also, I'd that guy is the only person on that station, it's not surprising that things are breaking and don't get fixed. But that felt more like they didn't want to hire more actors or something. This big station that lets this guy live a nice life for 40 years and no one else decided to live there as well? That city looked pretty nice overall. Other than the dilithium shortage it might well be the case that people still live good quality lives and have access to decent resources.
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Cojawfee posted:Book mentioned that the wormhole damaged subspace for two light-years or something. Actually he said it was the Gorn. The Gorn ruined 2 light years of subspace.
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The societal collapse isn't just because dilithum became in short supply, it's because every single ship with a warp drive that uses it blew up. When you consider that every starfleet ship would be destroyed at the same time along with many other governments' navies, then yeah, things could break down. It's still a dumb thing to happen but it's not quite something you can hand wave away and say "they can just use a different FTL"
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King Burgundy posted:Actually he said it was the Gorn. The Gorn ruined 2 light years of subspace. If all the dilithium's gone, they could go back to regular lithium. Worked fine when Gary Mitchell was around.
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King Burgundy posted:Actually he said it was the Gorn. The Gorn ruined 2 light years of subspace.
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Lister posted:The societal collapse isn't just because dilithum became in short supply, it's because every single ship with a warp drive that uses it blew up. When you consider that every starfleet ship would be destroyed at the same time along with many other governments' navies, then yeah, things could break down. It's still a dumb thing to happen but it's not quite something you can hand wave away and say "they can just use a different FTL" They kinda do though, because Book mentions something like quantum slipstream drive and a few others, so there are FTL alternatives out there but some still apparently use the remaining dilithium.
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That's true, but I meant only in reference to the federation failing. If the dilithum just disappeared, they could have retrofit every ship with something else in a few months. I just wanted to highlight that when talking about this Burn event, they're missing that like, millions of people across the galaxy died.
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Lister posted:That's true, but I meant only in reference to the federation failing. If the dilithum just disappeared, they could have retrofit every ship with something else in a few months. I just wanted to highlight that when talking about this Burn event, they're missing that like, millions of people across the galaxy died. Oh right, I misunderstood your post. Yeah, it’s much more believable that poo poo collapsed when you consider how many ships and crews were lost across (presumably) the entire galaxy. Supply chains for colonies would be cut off entirely and member planets would have to reprioritize surviving forces for local defense since reinforcements aren’t coming for months or years at best. Not much point in having a Federation if everyone is suddenly isolated after such a widespread calamity.
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It wouldn't only be starships and their crews - you would almost certainly lose Spacedock, starbases and all manner of shipyards and facilities along with them. The sheer loss of knowledge and experience from such a catastrophe would be staggering.
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Zotix posted:As someone who likes trek a lot, but doesn't know every minute detail, can someone explain the vastness of the finale scene? He mentioned the size of the area he can scan for comms, and there being 2 federation ships in it and there being, I think, 30 sectors? How much space are we talking here, how long does that distance take to traverse at warp 8/9 etc? It's very inconsistent in speed but Voyager was expecting to make about a thousand light years per year. A 600 light year radius is potentially most of the main body of the 24th century Federation. (Although the shape of the Federation is wierd because it depends on who joins or doesn't so there's lots of jutting out bits or islands)
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For what it's worth in First Contact Picard tells Lily that the Federation spans 8000 light years
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If I had one note for DISCO 3 its that the actors should emote more. They're a little understated
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Ramadu posted:wait, was that buzzard lookin dude supposed to be a romulan? Memory Alpha says he's a Betelgeusian, one of the TMP background aliens
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