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The article mentions this later on but it really is amazing how from the get go you see all the flags that this was planned out in a single message board thread:quote:After all, in a town with fewer than 800 registered voters, and plenty of property for sale, it would not take much for a committed group of transplants to establish a foothold, and then win dominance of municipal governance. And so the Free Town Project began. The libertarians expected to be greeted as liberators, but from the first town meeting, they faced the inconvenient reality that many of Grafton’s presumably freedom-loving citizens saw them as outsiders first, and compatriots second—if at all. Tensions flared further when a little Googling revealed what “freedom” entailed for some of the new colonists. One of the original masterminds of the plan, a certain Larry Pendarvis, had written of his intention to create a space honoring the freedom to “traffic organs, the right to hold duels, and the God-given, underappreciated right to organize so-called bum fights.” He had also bemoaned the persecution of the “victimless crime” that is “consensual cannibalism.” (“Logic is a strange thing,” observes Hongoltz-Hetling.) EDIT: New page here's the link again: https://newrepublic.com/article/159...campaign=buffer
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Neo Rasa posted:Was just about to post this, amazing piece. The black bear population of New Hampshire was just collectively like gently caress these libertarian shitholes. Also the implication that from a Darwinian standpoint humans in New Hampshire overall are losing due to human infighting over how to live free without the burdens of the state or taxes but the correct way. I for one welcome our new black bear overlords. When I read the first post I didn't realize the article was talking about literal actual bears, the hibernating animal, moving in.
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Libertarianism.txtquote:Grappling with what to do about the bears, the Graftonites also wrestled with the arguments of certain libertarians who questioned whether they should do anything at all—especially since several of the town residents had taken to feeding the bears, more or less just because they could. One woman, who prudently chose to remain anonymous save for the sobriquet “Doughnut Lady,” revealed to Hongoltz-Hetling that she had taken to welcoming bears on her property for regular feasts of grain topped with sugared doughnuts. If those same bears showed up on someone else’s lawn expecting similar treatment, that wasn’t her problem.
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Oct 15, 2020 15:13
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Found a new type of guyquote:There’s Richard Angell, an anti-circumcision activist known as “Dick Angel.”
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Oct 15, 2020 15:46
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Dirk the Average posted:In chess, the king never dies. You put him in a situation with no retreat, and then force a surrender, which wins you the battle. It hearkens back to a time when monarchs did lead their troops into battle. Well not with that attitude you don't. Come murderqueen, to my castle-dozer.
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Oct 15, 2020 15:46
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Amazing how New Hampshire, while superficially seeming like the sister state to Vermont, became such a creepy loving place while the latter gave the world Bernie Sanders who is practically Karl Marx on the American political spectrum of right, more right, and riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Edit: Wait, how does NH afford literally anything with no sales or income tax? I have to assume that property taxes are ludicrously high. I lived briefly in one of the other US states with no sales tax and, while it was nice paying list price for items like they do in sensible countries, property taxes were huge. Further Edit: Holy poo poo, I completely forgot that Dartmouth is in New Hampshire. I was accepted for uni there but didn't go due to the staggering cost, naturally; looks like I dodged a JustJeff88 fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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Oct 15, 2020 15:52
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VitalSigns posted:Libertarianism.txt She must be from Canada. 
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JustJeff88 posted:Edit: Wait, how does NH afford literally anything with no sales or income tax? Well they save a lot of money by not controlling the bear population
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Oct 15, 2020 16:07
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DrProsek posted:Found a new type of guy Outside of St Louis there are giant billboards dedicated to educating the public about the evils of male circumcision. Regardless of your feelings on the subject, I very much don't want to see that on a billboard thank you very much.
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Oct 15, 2020 17:00
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JustJeff88 posted:Edit: Wait, how does NH afford literally anything with no sales or income tax? I have to assume that property taxes are ludicrously high. I lived briefly in one of the other US states with no sales tax and, while it was nice paying list price for items like they do in sensible countries, property taxes were huge. Correct assumption, NH has the third highest property taxes in the country.
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Oct 15, 2020 17:11
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Incredible stuff  
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Oct 15, 2020 17:22
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Another way of framing it is:
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hooman posted:Well not with that attitude you don't. I was inspired this morning to do a quick sketchup of what that might look like: 
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Dirk the Average posted:I was inspired this morning to do a quick sketchup of what that might look like: Lol. Also, chess has some very, very libertarian vibes to it. Specifically, the idea that a pawn can theoretically advance to the other side of the board and therefore achieve a massive rise in power is super libertarian, as is the reality that most pawns will die pointless deaths in the of the king and those few that survive rarely advance their own powers at all.
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Oct 15, 2020 21:57
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Guavanaut posted:Another way of framing it is: I loving love this one.
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Oct 15, 2020 22:01
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Lol.
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Oct 15, 2020 22:03
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If the liberals get into power they will forcefem everyone into queens out of some misguided notion of "redistributing power"
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VitalSigns posted:Also that the king can have two chicks at the same time, or three, or four, whatever you feel as long as there isn't more than one dude because that's gay Excuse me, but this old grocery list I have clearly states that you can have multiple kings. I don't know why all these other so-called chess masters don't do it.
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Oct 15, 2020 22:18
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VitalSigns posted:When I read the first post I didn't realize the article was talking about literal actual bears, the hibernating animal, moving in.  lives free
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Oct 15, 2020 22:57
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VitalSigns posted:Libertarianism.txt good initial data for Valhalla DRO's bear-domestication program though
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Oct 15, 2020 23:26
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a real berserkr needs bearskins, so this is good for Valhalla DRO from multiple angles
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Grace Baiting posted:a real berserkr needs bearskins, so this is good for Valhalla DRO from multiple angles See! The market is already adapting!
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Oct 16, 2020 00:03
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I've decided to take an expedition into reading the book that spawned the article about the bears. God speed.
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Good article. I'm a bit puzzled there weren't more efforts to just machine-gun the bears en masse, given the proclivities of libertarians, but I suspect even that involves a minor level of competence that they lack. Besides, those guns and bullets are for handling minorities in Libertopia, not wildlife!
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Sephyr posted:Good article. I'm a bit puzzled there weren't more efforts to just machine-gun the bears en masse, given the proclivities of libertarians, but I suspect even that involves a minor level of competence that they lack. The book begins with a chapter on how the US government dealt with the bears- essentially they put up bounties on bear heads and got people to start mass killing the bears to stop them from going near people's homesteads.
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Oct 16, 2020 01:47
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Panzeh posted:The book begins with a chapter on how the US government dealt with the bears- essentially they put up bounties on bear heads and got people to start mass killing the bears to stop them from going near people's homesteads. Sounds like the way the US government deals with pretty much everything that gets in their way, be it animal, territorial, or human.
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Sephyr posted:Good article. I'm a bit puzzled there weren't more efforts to just machine-gun the bears en masse, given the proclivities of libertarians, but I suspect even that involves a minor level of competence that they lack. There was a section where they organized small groups to go hunt down bears in their dens (which apparently was against state/federal law).
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Weatherman posted:Sounds like the way the US government deals with pretty much everything that gets in their way, be it animal, territorial, or human. Why would Americans actually do things like stop suburban sprawl, reign in out-of-control population growth and/or do something about climate change when they can murder something? I know that there are a lot of Americans in this thread, but you know as well as I do that it's a terrifyingly violent culture.
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Panzeh posted:The book begins with a chapter on how the US government dealt with the bears- essentially they put up bounties on bear heads and got people to start mass killing the bears to stop them from going near people's homesteads.
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Dirk the Average posted:I was inspired this morning to do a quick sketchup of what that might look like: Thank you for bringing this to life.
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Oct 16, 2020 09:38
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Guavanaut posted:Did libertarians start farming bears as a result of this market distortion? Due to their superior organization skills, the bears started farming themselves before the libertarians got around to it.
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Oct 16, 2020 11:56
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VictualSquid posted:Due to their superior organization skills, the bears started farming themselves before the libertarians got around to it.
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Guavanaut posted:Did libertarians start farming bears as a result of this market distortion? I presume we're going to learn that the US government ended the bounties when it seemed the bears weren't a problem any more. The libertarians pop up into the story much later than the bounties.
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Aw, I was hoping they'd do the standard libertarian thing of "government thing x distorts the market, so I will simply exploit it by doing y" and it went about as well as that always goes but with how well farming bears would go added on top.
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Guavanaut posted:Aw, I was hoping they'd do the standard libertarian thing of "government thing x distorts the market, so I will simply exploit it by doing y" and it went about as well as that always goes but with how well farming bears would go added on top. well one woman did start feeding the bears in her back yard mostly though the bears formed a superior DRO and are outcompeting the libertarians. their lack of adherence to the NAP is troubling however
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Don't worry, I'm sure the bears will cease and desist once they get the court order from the court that exists in our anarchist state somehow.
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paragon1 posted:Don't worry, I'm sure the bears will cease and desist once they get the court order from the court that exists in our anarchist state somehow. "THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE NAP" i scream from the jaws of an actual bear
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Jazerus posted:well one woman did start feeding the bears in her back yard the bears obviously have the preexisting claim, having mixed their labor with the land for thousands of years any game animals they come across on their privately owned hunting property is legally and morally theirs, such as soft fleshy delicious primates
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I got through some more of the book- the libertarians have arrived. The bears came before most of them, but I believe I am soon to get to the part of the book where the libertarians clash with the bears. The highlights of the libertarians so far are the one who barely beat a child pornography charge and their ability to try to sue with an incredibly bad success rate(including trying to use the old 'travelling' thing to claim the state can't mandate driver's licenses). The 'communist' survivalist is mentioned. He had a Taurus Judge and mentioned that when the poo poo hit the fan the libertarians were going to literally cannibalize themselves and he would deal with the last one who would be sitting atop the bones of the other libertarians. He also said capitalism was bullshit which is where the communist statement comes from. One of the things that's starting to happen is that the libertarians with no money and no friends are trying to camp in bear territory and I believe this is a recipe for people getting owned.
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