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Okay yeah maybe I won't watch the anime then, that sounds bad. I guess the main thing I was a little curious to see was what Junko and Mukuro were like in it, but it's probably not worth wasting a bunch of time watching a bad show to find out, especially if part of what makes it bad is characters having no depth. FWIW, I know saying it didn't leave a huge impression seems like a kind of negative review of 2, but I still binged through the game super fast, so obviously something was propelling me through it--I was genuinely interested in seeing what would happen and what interesting twists would show up in trials and all that. If I can get that and maybe feel some more novelty from it after taking more of a break for v3, I'll be happy. Played the what if light novel thing in 2 and hey there's some of my curiosity about Mukuro sated after all, that's convenient. I'm a sucker for what if stories, so this was kind of fun and didn't overstay its welcome. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Oct 16, 2020 |
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Oct 15, 2020 23:49
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imo 3 is the worst one so different strokes and all but I thought the ending was real trash
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Oct 15, 2020 23:52
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V3 is astoundingly polarizing. fwiw it's my absolute favorite in the series. 3 the anime is pretty bad overall, but it has some good moments and I really liked two of the new characters introduced for it. I don't recommend it but I don't regret watching it either. Without going into spoilers, it felt a lot to me like the writers of the anime didn't feel like they had any ownership over the pre-existing characters, and so didn't really do much development-wise with any of them-- which is a weird feeling to get from it, considering Kodaka was a co-writer.
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Oct 16, 2020 03:33
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The 3 anime was resoundingly "ok". I had a good time watching it, but it's not that good. V3 rules.
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Oct 16, 2020 15:11
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@Sinteres, given your criticism of 2 I think you'll be the kind of person who ends up liking V3. I had similar feelings about 2 except I loved Nagito and chapters 4+5 in general.
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Oct 16, 2020 15:19
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No Wave posted:@Sinteres, given your criticism of 2 I think you'll be the kind of person who ends up liking V3. I had similar feelings about 2 except I loved Nagito and chapters 4+5 in general. The more I hear about it being divisive the more interesting it sounds to me, so I'm pretty optimistic. I still definitely need a break from horror VN for a while first though, so I don't feel so desensitized to the whole thing.
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Sakurazuka posted:3 anime is trash, V3 is the best game in the series  And the less talk about UDG the better.
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Back to Higurashi, I finished Kageboushi today, and I think Tomoe's death made me more emotional than any of the other deaths in the series, which was a real surprise for me since I wouldn't have guessed these console arcs would have that much of an impact given that they tend to be regarded as non-essential. I thought the game was being a bit gratuitous with the gruesome murders followed by Chisato's misery porn backstory, but holy poo poo did that pay off with the rooftop scene. Like I guess Chisato being able to reach Natsumi kind of takes away from the uniqueness of Keiichi being able to reach Rena in part 6 (also, probably not coincidentally, on a rooftop), but taking away from the uniqueness of the original protagonists is always a risk with expanding a story universe. The fairytale wedding at the end did feel super out of place though--I just don't think Toudou was enough of a character for it to feel earned. They were just high school crushes and she had a super unhealthy obsession with him that drove her to murder but hey love conquers all! Oh well, the meat of the thing was still great. So yeah, despite already knowing the answers to the broader mystery of the series as a whole, making this arc redundant to some extent, I thought this one was still really good, and imo justifies reading at least the advanced story sequence of the console arcs, though I do think the standalone ones were pretty non-essential. That said, while the flow chart says Kageboushi can be read after part 5 of the main story, I think reading it before some of the other parts would be a bad idea.
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Higurashi Tokihogushi thoughts: This one was a bit slower and probably suffered a bit for having already given Natsumi a happy resolution in the previous installment (necessary since the disaster the led to her terminal symptoms won't happen in this timeline), though her scenes here were still highlights, but had an amazing payoff at the end with Minoe meeting Hanyu in the fragments world, so I'm satisfied and really looking forward to reading Miotsukushi to see if it can top Matsuribayashi, which I thought was one of the weaker arcs in the series. On the advice of the mod creator who ported the console arcs, I guess I'll start with Ura after I do the connecting fragments. I finished connecting fragments, and I felt like most weren't really big revelations this time, whereas I felt like the connecting fragments section of Matsuribayashi was still clarifying some things (maybe because I'm dumb), but there were a few that stood out. The one from a timeline where Shion killed Rika and disproved the queen theory so Hakano went crazy and killed Keiichi was cool, since it finally made her both being wrong about that and affected by Hinamizawa Syndrome explicit. The end fragment being an epilogue to Yoigoshi was unexpected, and I guess retroactively makes that story more worth reading in a way that's hard to convey to people who haven't already read it. Oh well. Seeing Minoe so regretful about solving the mystery too late to do any good (so late that she'd resolved to help cover it up!) was effective, so now I'm excited to see her get one last chance to make things right thanks to Hanyu. I think I enjoy reading these more on weekends when I have fewer distractions, so the plan is to wait until next weekend to start Miotsukushi, but it's possible my resolve will crack before then. On a related note, I know it's silly to be mourning before it's even over, but I'm a little sad that I'm approaching the end of available content for Higurashi now. Even just the original arcs were this enormous thing in front of me at one point, and now I've been through substantially more content than that, and it's going to be kind of a bummer when I'm caught up with what's out there. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 18, 2020 |
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With all the buzz about the new anime I finally decided to read Higurashi. Just finished Ch. 3 Tatarigoroshi. Honestly shocked at how good it's been so far! Sad I slept on it for so long. Apparently I'm scum for not using the original sprites, though. I turn them on for the ending review parties, and the muppet hands give me a laugh every time.
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SpudCat posted:With all the buzz about the new anime I finally decided to read Higurashi. Just finished Ch. 3 Tatarigoroshi. Honestly shocked at how good it's been so far! Sad I slept on it for so long. Nah the old sprites are bad, and both the Pachinko ones and the PS3 ones are fine. If you read Umineko, I recommend the PS3 sprites over the Pachinko ones though. Also, if you aren't already, you can use the 07th mod to get voice acting for Higurashi (along with original music, and PS3 backgrounds/sprites if you want them).
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Oct 19, 2020 06:25
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Higurashi 3 is so dang good and probably the first time I thought a R07 chapter was solid from beginning to end. The first two chapters struggled a bit from the early scene-setting stuff having little connection to the story other than getting to know the characters but 3 is much more a really good suspense story from start-to-finish.
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Oct 19, 2020 15:04
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Think about episodes 5 and 6 - in those we see a bunch of people faking their deaths who are later killed. Prior to the day Yasu told most of her accomplices (not Genji) that they were staging a sortof murder mystery night with fake murders, possibly as a way to punish Battler. Once they realized the murders were real she could blackmail them with the bomb. As long as nobody solved the epitaph she had the power of life and death over everyone on Rokkenjima. warning warning warning massive spoilers for umineko etc etc The first two games (written from Yasu's "POV") have a bunch of scenes where it seems like at least some of the characters are under the impression that it's a fake murder thing. See: Characters being reluctant to search corpses (especially female bodies), Hideyoshi, clearly unnerved, grilling Nanjo after the initial slaughterfest in the shed, and Rosa doing the "cool aunt" thing and basically giving Battler big hints after the first murders in Chapter 1 (in meta, you could also call this Yasu using Rosa to push Battler to solve the puzzle, if you wanted). Also maybe not so much a "they think it's a fake murder plot" thing, but I have to mention Gohda being unbelievably bad at lying about Kanon coming back to life in Ch2 again. Obviously I missed this at the time but I think literally all his lines in that scene are in his "nervous laughter" sprite, and the other servants have to basically remind him of his lines a few times. Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Oct 19, 2020 |
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Oct 19, 2020 15:12
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Did anybody know about this game Iwaihime coming out on Friday? Apparently it was written by Ryukishi07. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1372300/Iwaihime/
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All good observations. The first two episodes both have entire hidden stories that you only see if you reread them with knowledge of the solution. eg Nanjo initially agreed to prevent anyone from looking too closely at the people who were playing dead, but he immediately realizes people are dying for real and now has to work out whether to hide that from the other accomplices. More than anything else you rapidly realize why the other witches say that Beatrice's "playstyle" is insane.
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Sinteres posted:Did anybody know about this game Iwaihime coming out on Friday? Apparently it was written by Ryukishi07. Cool to see that they're continuing to make new stories, even if I'm not personally a fan of Ryukishi07's writing. I expect they'll do some pretty neat stuff with the creepy haunted dolls.
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Iwaihime's from 2015 or so. I feel like I've only ever seen people say bad things about it, but in pure numbers terms it always seems to review decently? I suspect its true crime is being merely fine when people have higher expectations of RK07. It's certainly on my list to play at some point.
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I played the demo for Iwaihime and boy those content warnings are not a joke. Effective horror so far though, will be playing the full game.
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Does anyone know a decent list of Umineko vocal covers of instrumental tracks from the VN? Here is what I found so far (all are Japanese versions, or at least sung by Japanese singers) Semiofficial (in an album published by a composer, but not appearing in the VN)
Miscellaneous:
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I haven't finished it yet, and unless this wraps up quickly I think there's still a long way to go, but here are my thoughts on Miotsukushi Ura for Higurashi so far: The opening animation was awesome, and definitely made me hyped to play (this half of) this alternate ending to the series. Little Miyuki dunking on her parents and calling Tomoe an old lady was hilarious. Chisato's over the top declaration of love for Natsumi was also hilarious, and had big Keiichi talking to that baseball player about pervert poo poo energy. I know some people are pretty much just here for the murders and mystery and don't like the slice of life stuff as much, but I'm here for a story that can make me laugh before it makes me really sad. Some of both the school stuff and the police stuff felt pretty loving familiar and worn by this point though. Like how many times is Tomoe going to grudgingly accept her sister's creepy marriage? At least there was some comedy there too when Tomoe yells at the old man for telling her to write the last minute wedding invitations. One thing that felt a bit off is the way that Natsumi's demon came alive overnight, without the need for the disaster to take place, despite the deck seemingly being stacked in her favor this time. I get that the story tried to present it as her successes in fitting in and succeeding actually pushing her closer to despair as she relied more heavily on her ultimately harmful medicine to do those things, but it felt pretty contrived to me how being happy, (relatively) confident in herself, and having a better relationship with her friends and super-mentor turned out to actually be more dangerous than the alternative, or at least an accelerant. It's true that nobody actually died this time from her madness, but it required both Tomoe's physical intervention and flashbacks to another world, so basically a miracle. Maybe it's okay to feel like Natsumi's second redemption is anticlimactic since it's not actually the climax this time around, but it's definitely something we've already seen before, and her teen drama just isn't as compelling a trigger as most of the other motivations in this series, even with the medicine (and her sadsack backstory) being a contributing factor. All of that said, the payoff when everything started clicking together and Tomoe makes the connection with the medicine after the very effective scenes with Rena was awesome. Rena's grief at the cemetery was probably one of the saddest moments of the series, and the reader knowing Ozaki was dead during the whole drive there only made it more effective imo, because the anticipation of Rena finding out just builds the sadness. I don't think I had this impression in the earlier arcs, so I don't know if she got different animations this time or if it's just something I couldn't unsee once it occurred to me, but Tomoe's face looks like South Park animation to me when her eyes are closed and her mouth is moving. Edit: Adding more thoughts as I go: Tsukada not being a villain was a twist that got me. I guess he was such an obvious villain going back all the way to the first time he was introduced that I should have suspected it, but I fell for it anyway. The conversation suffered from some classic Higurashi overwriting though, and on that note, I also never want to read another conversation between cops where they discuss revenge vs justice. I appreciate the absurd length of this series, and think the good parts hit harder because of all the time setting things up, but sometimes I still have a pretty strong 'okay I get the point, let's move the gently caress on already' reaction to some of this stuff. I played some more, and yeah, I feel like this has fallen into a pretty deep lull. This series is at its best when it's about personal comedies and personal tragedies, and I think the investigation and political stuff just isn't really working for me this time, especially when characters like Tsukada start monologuing about their dead wives. Not having any cutaways to a character like Natsumi to mix it up at this point isn't helping either. Maybe I'm just in an impatient mood today, or maybe I should revise my opinion of the original ending upward now that I see that actually addressing the bigger picture of the people behind Takano can be kind of boring. I'm still expecting it to pick up again for the resolution, but I'm alt tabbing out a lot here in the meantime. At least I still have Omote to look forward to, and I think going back to those characters will be refreshing after this long arc that moved beyond them. Finished, and I'm realizing this review is way too long and self-indulgent, so apologies for that. Mixed feelings about cheering on a shitload of cops aside (though they're apparently police who aren't allowed to use guns even against armed criminals???), the moment when the whole station rallies behind Tomoe was loving awesome, and attacking a plane with a car was cool. The traitor detective also having a tragic backstory both tied to and representing a dark image of the Minai sisters' own backstory was more than a bit on the nose though, and the chief being both Tomoe's surrogate father and future brother in law is still super loving creepy. Despite those criticisms, the ending was still way better than everything after Rena left though. As for the epilogue, holy poo poo, Madoka explicitly thinks of the chief's hand as being old but reminding her of her father's hand, jfc. Ghost Nagisa was a little cheesy, but it was a nice moment I guess. Natsumi just getting an off-hand reference at the end instead of being part of the story again feels like a huge demotion for that character, but I guess she already got her happy ending (more or less) in Kageboushi's epilogue. tl;dr, I think this had both some of the best parts and some of the worst parts of the advanced story arcs, so I have pretty mixed feelings about it. Next weekend I'll read Miotsukushi Omote and see if I feel that one sticks the landing any better as an alternative to Matsuribayashi. One thing working in its favor is that I'm looking forward to getting back to Hinamizawa after spending so much time with characters outside it now. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Oct 24, 2020 18:48
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You'd think the company in charge of one of the bigger VN series around at the moment would not make their story triggers so confusing and obtuse as in Robotics; Notes. Is that considered part of the 'gameplay' or something?
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Baffling story triggers is a Sci;Ad tradition
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Oct 26, 2020 00:48
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Kirikiribasara has spoiler free route guides for both games up.
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Oct 26, 2020 00:56
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Yeah that's what I've been using, cheers.
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Speaking of: https://www.gematsu.com/2020/10/new-science-adventure-game-steins-announced 
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Wait are the Higurashi arcs besides the main 8 translated yet? I've found conflicting information and I'm confused
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Not officially. There's fan-translations for a handful, see https://07th-mod.com/home/
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The short version is that the console arcs were never announced as part of Mangagamer's plans, so 07th mod went ahead and translated most of them, with just a couple left now. Mangagamer initially announced that they'd be doing the Rei (and I think Hou) arcs after the finished the main 8, so 07th is waiting to see if that's still the plan before they take that on too.
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Thank you for the 411, chill.
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Ryukishi's apparently writing a new kinetic novel for Key called Project Looper, which seems like a good fit. There's supposed to be an update of some sort on Ciconia on November 8th too, so hopefully it's good news. Between all that and the new Higurashi anime (which seems aimed at people who've finished the original series since things are different, if you haven't heard), he seems to be keeping pretty busy.
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Sinteres posted:Did anybody know about this game Iwaihime coming out on Friday? Apparently it was written by Ryukishi07. I'm about 4 "Epispdes" into this now and... I'm not sure if i like it or not. The entire second episode is making me wonder if the horrible poo poo I'm seeing is supposed to be turning me on and that's REALLY making me question everything.
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mrfreeze posted:I'm about 4 "Epispdes" into this now and... I'm not sure if i like it or not. The entire second episode is making me wonder if the horrible poo poo I'm seeing is supposed to be turning me on and that's REALLY making me question everything. I haven't read it yet but Ryukishi07 isn't really known for writing horny.
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Xyven posted:I haven't read it yet but Ryukishi07 isn't really known for writing horny. The first "episode has The spooky goth girl who is presented at first as being severely mentally disabled, being sexually abused by her fiancee who is one of the school delinquents. This includes forcing her to suck his toes while he kicks her in the stomach and head. The second "episode" had A monstrous caterpillar use it's tail to drill holes into a girls body which it then proceeds to rape and fill with cursed jizz which turns her into a monster caterpillar that tries to do the same thing to the main character The way the second spoiler was presented makes me really question the intent of the first one retroactively. Like it does SUPER disturbing things, but i can't help feeling like it's aiming for people with REALLY gross fetishes too.
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I feel the thread OP has too many words which aren't focused on its core message of "don't talk about creepy poo poo". Perhaps it should just say that in large bold text?
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Warning people off of a game by the author of the most frequently discussed VNs in the thread if it does venture into uncomfortable territory seems pretty reasonable to me. I definitely have less interest in it now.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:12
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Yeah my desire to read that just plummeted
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Xyven posted:I haven't read it yet but Ryukishi07 isn't really known for writing horny.
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Apologies for discussing creepy poo poo, but as someone who went in blind except for "Ooh it's a self contained horror story by the Umineko and Higurashi author" I kinda figured people would want to know what they are getting into. I'm going to finish the drat thing and I'm hoping whatever it ends with justifies the questionable stuff along the way.
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Chev posted:Did they remove all the loli jokes from the US localization of Higurashi or something? Because that's definitely in there, repeatedly. And let's not forget about Harem Royale. Ehhh Higurashi and Umineko had some cringey anime poo poo occasionally, but this stuff is a whole different level.
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