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Carbon dioxide posted:Similarly, lots of people don't seem aware that by Americans, CNN is considered reasonably leftist FTFY
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Captain Hygiene posted:Tag urself, I'm Himmhamhanhan
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dwarf74 posted:I laugh every time at the placement of Wonkette there. God help you if you ever fall below the Wonkette line.
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taqueso posted:https: //twitter.com/IndependentSage/status/1317083979493838849 That looks fi......gently caress lol
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taqueso posted:https: //twitter.com/IndependentSage/status/1317083979493838849 I kept trying to figure out why they said "doubling" when it was going down. Once I realized what was going on, the graph still didn't make sense, but now for a different reason.
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I can't tell what's going on. are they approaching max acceleration in spread, where it spreads so fast it cannot go any faster?
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Carthag Tuek posted:I can't tell what's going on. are they approaching max acceleration in spread, where it spreads so fast it cannot go any faster? Eventually it loops back and starts infecting more people in the past
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Carthag Tuek posted:I can't tell what's going on. are they approaching max acceleration in spread, where it spreads so fast it cannot go any faster? What's the confusion? Having about 2.5 data points is more than enough information to make a solid trend
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taqueso posted:https: //twitter.com/IndependentSage/status/1317083979493838849 Finally an x-axis version of the Gun Deaths in Florida chart!
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taqueso posted:https: //twitter.com/IndependentSage/status/1317083979493838849 it should be illegal to make charts this misleading
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Non US here, is MSNBC really more “hyper partisan” left than FauxNews is right?
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Capt.Whorebags posted:Non US here, is MSNBC really more “hyper partisan” left than FauxNews is right? The entire left side of the chart is hosed. The right side is also differently hosed.
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Capt.Whorebags posted:Non US here, is MSNBC really more “hyper partisan” left than FauxNews is right? A longtime MSNBC anchor was literally screaming on TV about getting hanged in central park by Marxists when Bernie Sanders was leading the polls. That kinda answers that for you
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Capt.Whorebags posted:Non US here, is MSNBC really more “hyper partisan” left than FauxNews is right? the easiest way to comprehend discussions about what's happening in american politics is that the main political parties are basically 'far right' and 'center to center-right' in terms of policies compared to the rest of the world, so when people in the mainstream talk about 'the far left' they're talking about horribly socialist policies like "thinking some free health care would be good for people to have in the middle of a pandemic" and "maybe we should've given people more than a single check months ago to incentivize staying at home, a check that half of the people eligible never got and that barely would cover both food and rent for a single month anyway"
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Spoeank posted:A longtime MSNBC anchor was literally screaming on TV about getting hanged in central park by Marxists when Bernie Sanders was leading the polls. That kinda answers that for you It's still hyperpartisan in the sense that there are two major parties and MSNBC heavily favors one of them. Similarities between the two notwithstanding.
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ikanreed posted:It's mangraph, you read it right to left gently caress i get it now, i thought it was like the rate of doubling was decreasing because it couldnt double as fast anymore due to lack of people to infect  Capt.Whorebags posted:Non US here, is MSNBC really more “hyper partisan” left than FauxNews is right? there's no such thing as leftist mass media also its "kinda funny" when liberals are being called leftist when theyre center-right
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The odd thing about the independent sage graph is I thought independent sage was the one that a bunch of scientists set up to bollock the government's sage group for being poo poo and not doing anything.
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Henchman of Santa posted:It's still hyperpartisan in the sense that there are two major parties and MSNBC heavily favors one of them. Similarities between the two notwithstanding. The two parties are insane religious hypernationalism and centrism though
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OwlFancier posted:The odd thing about the independent sage graph is I thought independent sage was the one that a bunch of scientists set up to bollock the government's sage group for being poo poo and not doing anything. It is and it looks like an honest mistake, they deleted the tweet and the rest of the thread was pretty clearly saying This Is Bad: https://twitter.com/IndependentSage/status/1317081786388762624 No idea why they decided to invert the X axis!
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Oct 17, 2020 02:34
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Reality has a well‐known liberal bias.
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Is the X axis inverted in languages that write right-to-left ? I'm genuinely curious about this now.
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Spoeank posted:The two parties are insane religious hypernationalism and centrism though Yes, and MSNBC is devoted to the latter. Therefore it is extremely partisan.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Yes, and MSNBC is devoted to the latter. Therefore it is extremely partisan. In a vacuum you're correct, MSNBC is hyperpartisan in favor of the centrist party. However, the chart everyone is talking about categorizes them as "hyperpartisan left," which is extremely incorrect. I mean, the chart places them right next to Jacobin, which is leftist enough that it spends a ton of page space criticizing the party that MSNBC favors.
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Theris posted:In a vacuum you're correct, MSNBC is hyperpartisan in favor of the centrist party. However, the chart everyone is talking about categorizes them as "hyperpartisan left," which is extremely incorrect. I mean, the chart places them right next to Jacobin, which is leftist enough that it spends a ton of page space criticizing the party that MSNBC favors. Thank you for doing a better job of explaining my point than I did
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Theris posted:In a vacuum you're correct, MSNBC is hyperpartisan in favor of the centrist party. However, the chart everyone is talking about categorizes them as "hyperpartisan left," which is extremely incorrect. I mean, the chart places them right next to Jacobin, which is leftist enough that it spends a ton of page space criticizing the party that MSNBC favors. Not just next to Jacobin, below them on the axis of reliability which is extra lmao. The site does have the actual assessed values by their panel, but it's obvious from the methods that it's probably trash assessments on each side except in the broadest categorizations
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In some of their earlier versions, Jacobin was very highly rated: Edit: I don't know enough about their methods to say for sure, but since they started, I've always had this gut feeling that the distribution along the chart was presupposed to be true, and that they've made sure that their measurements lead to the conclusion they wanted. It seems awfully convenient that over time the media outlets have fit their curve closer and closer. Dr. Arbitrary has a new favorite as of 09:02 on Oct 19, 2020 |
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I posted their methods in the post with the latest graph and it involves a panel of at least three people of three ideologies (Left, Center, and Right) to judge a random sampling of articles or news reporting for partisanship and veracity. Obviously the devil is in the details on this and I didn't dig into the actual specifics. The site itself also has the actual ratings that were given and includes other sites on the chart.
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I like the idea that you can conceivably be 100% factually accurate but of zero journalistic value because you're too right or left wing, lol.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:In some of their earlier versions, Jacobin was very highly rated: Jacobin to the right of Daily Kos.
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OwlFancier posted:I like the idea that you can conceivably be 100% factually accurate but of zero journalistic value because you're too right or left wing, lol. You can get pretty far that way with editorial cherry picking. Like how you get more reports of violence committed by immigrants than violence committed by husbands. I guess the leftist version is 100% pieces about tax dodging and labour exploitation.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:In some of their earlier versions, Jacobin was very highly rated:
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I'm marxist Xi. Aside from that, it's pretty dumb to summarize a politician with two broad labels.
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It's not an unsound idea, other than trying to make the stupid, idiot, moron, dumbshit, awful, stupid, horseshoe stick together by linking "anti-imperialist" and "fascist"
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BonHair posted:I'm marxist Xi. I'm anti-imperalist Xi. (Fine, I guess it's in quotes, but ffs.) I'm also center-right Abe and Soc Dem Obama.
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It's also not like you can't be alt right, brexiteer, conservative, nationalist, fascist, and right wing populist at the same time?
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ikanreed posted:It's not an unsound idea, other than trying to make the stupid, idiot, moron, dumbshit, awful, stupid, horseshoe stick together by linking "anti-imperialist" and "fascist" It’s “anti imperialist” with quotation marks. Look at a lot of online Xi and Assad supporters and you can see how “I’ve decided anyone who opposes the US is by definition anti imperialist” and fascists absolutely have some overlap. The tankie thread is full of people talking about that particular stuff, it’s really interesting when it isn’t all slapfighty.
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