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Algund Eenboom posted:Yes, and there is (or used 2 be) a scene in all the shen yun shows where a gigantic red wave bearing karl marx's face swallows the enlightened peasants of china and teaches them degenerate social practices such as gay marriage and the theory of evolution the inevitable phenomenon that attempting to condemn socialism makes it sound extremely rad instead
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https://twitter.com/TheHannahRay/status/1318670510276763648 awaiting the inevitable story of aryan nation ties
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, she went to Lakemba and couldn't find any British pubs despite the Lakemba Hotel being visible from where she was standing. I can’t find a link or anything but I vaguely remember she responded to having that pointed out to her with “umm no that’s a hotel you stupid leftists”
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Oct 21, 2020 01:36
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Uranium 235 posted:isn't falun gong one of the primary sources for the "uyghur genocide" claims? yes and no, they're the source of a lot of the really lurid stuff but there's plenty of other evidence that Unspecified Bad poo poo is happening
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:How is Tiny still alive? He picks fights that he can win and jumps people with a pack of cronies. Every now and then he fucks up and gets the poo poo stomped out of him.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:39
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Uranium 235 posted:isn't falun gong one of the primary sources for the "uyghur genocide" claims? Depends on how you define "genocide". I'll go with the UN definition where a culture is being destroyed. Plus, you know, concentration camps. Falun Gong is saying they are death camps harvesting them for organs which I personally think is unlikely. Like, they are concentration camps and people die there for a variety of reasons. But the people dying isn't the point. It's more of a happy accident, like how the American prison system does it. Unlike the American system, the Chinese are then super likely to harvest some organs. That's different from the Falun Gong where killing them and harvesting them for their precious organs was the point. Like, we have satellite photos of the reeducation camps and refugee testimony. Even if the latter is exaggerated the former is just real and very bad.
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It's still genocide for all the same reasons the US/Canada kidnapping native kids and throwing them in boarding schools was still genocide even after the direct wars stopped.
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Falun Gong was mostly harmless years ago but they have become MAGAs so... I went to Shen Yun once, it was weird as hell.
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I saw shen yun it was awful, even leaving aside all the right wing anti-gay anti-socialism stuff. Also they present themselves in the ads as this authentic chinese dance troupe but you find out they're all from upstate new york.
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Oct 21, 2020 03:12
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Neon Noodle posted:Falun Gong was mostly harmless years ago but they have become MAGAs so... Nah, they were always insanely right wing and bad. They were also legitimately persecuted for their (completely loving insane) beliefs.
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Oct 21, 2020 03:21
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Incelshok Na posted:Depends on how you define "genocide". I'll go with the UN definition where a culture is being destroyed. Plus, you know, concentration camps. Falun Gong is saying they are death camps harvesting them for organs which I personally think is unlikely. Like, they are concentration camps and people die there for a variety of reasons. But the people dying isn't the point. It's more of a happy accident, like how the American prison system does it. Unlike the American system, the Chinese are then super likely to harvest some organs. are you saying the Falun Gong intentionally kill people to harvest their organs? or just that the Falun Gong repeatedly accuse people of that? because right-wing fucklords frequently project their worst impulses onto their adversaries, but I'm absolutely bewildered by this rock I've overturned. I promise this isn't a dunk, I'm just trying to understand what I'm reading EDIT: vvv no sweat, chum, just making sure LordSaturn has issued a correction as of 04:34 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Sorry, the "they" in the sentence was unintentionally ambiguous absent context. Members of the FG were killed by the CCP and the organs of FG members were harvested. Hu's time in Tibet early in his career led him to take rather drastic stances on dissent. Xi is an assimilationist, hence the Uighur re-education camp. What happened to FG members is more in line with the liberal view of what constitutes genocide but it wasn't a genocide. What is happening to the Uighurs doesn't conform to a liberal view of genocide (i.e. it is not the Holocaust) but is a genocide.
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's still genocide for all the same reasons the US/Canada kidnapping native kids and throwing them in boarding schools was still genocide even after the direct wars stopped. i know that the chinese government says that part of what they're doing is deradicalizing people who allegedly have radical islamist beliefs or whatever, but is there evidence they're trying to convert these people away from islam entirely? are uyghurs prevented from practicing their traditional culture? i've seen some people claim that uyghurs can't speak their language in the camps but i've also seen things debunking those claims, so idk seems like there is a lot of misinformation out there and i don't know who/what to trust. i see no reason to trust western media, fwiw i constantly see fake poo poo shared about "uyghur genocide" claims, like videos of people being beaten but they're actually from some other country in southeast asia, or a satellite image of a mosque having been destroyed to build a camp, but actually it was just the gate that was destroyed and the mosque is still there and in use, poo poo like that. it makes it really hard to trust claims about genocide because i don't know what's been done and what's false propaganda Uranium 235 has issued a correction as of 04:05 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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LordSaturn posted:are you saying the Falun Gong intentionally kill people to harvest their organs? or just that the Falun Gong repeatedly accuse people of that? because right-wing fucklords frequently project their worst impulses onto their adversaries, but I'm absolutely bewildered by this rock I've overturned. I promise this isn't a dunk, I'm just trying to understand what I'm reading there are unsubstantiated allegations of actual, factual organ farming of prisoners by the ccp, like someone with money/influence in china needs a particular organ, the ccp will locate a prisoner that's a genetic match, kill them, and take the necessary organ, putting the rest into their regular transplant system, and saying that the prisoner died in some other way. the evidence, such as it is, is that for a long time china had a huge donor organ shortage, and right about the same time they really started to ratchet up the uighur genocide, there suddenly was organs for everyone i need to categorically state that i have no idea if the assertion about transplant shortages and then there not being shortages is even true. and even if it is true, i don't know poo poo about chinese healthcare and transplants, so maybe if it was a problem, it was fixed some totally legit way. or maybe they really are harvesting organs from prisoners but only ones that died in other ways and falun gong decided to take what was already a crime against humanity and punch it up a little for god knows what reason
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i say swears online posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1318648131467300864 Florida's voter rolls are public so some group is using that information to send intimidation out to people. Who knows who it is, but its probably not actually the proud boys since the sender info appears to be spoofed.
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Uranium 235 posted:hm i think that comparison might be misleading but i really don't know because i'm not sure what things are taught at these camps in xinjiang. what i mean is: the boarding schools in the US and canada were pretty much all christian, right? so they were converting indigenous people and effectively destroying a huge part of their culture by doing so. but is an equivalent thing happening in xinjiang? I also fail to see what difference the Christianity of those schools matters. In Canada where the schools persisted longer they were gradually secularized, but it doesn't really matter. The point still remains that you're kidnapping people with the intention of forcing an eradication of their culture. The intention by the governments was always turning them into Americans or Canadians first and religious wackjobs happened to be the easiest group to use in achieving that goal. Colonization is wrong whether its done for religious reasons or not and whether the perpetrators are American, Canadian, Chinese, or any other nationality.
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Pead posted:Florida's voter rolls are public so some group is using that information to send intimidation out to people. Who knows who it is, but its probably not actually the proud boys since the sender info appears to be spoofed. gavin mcinnes rips off the mask to reveal that he's been jacob wohl the entire time
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Uranium 235 posted:isn't falun gong one of the primary sources for the "uyghur genocide" claims? actually it's some religious nut from germany
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Terrible Opinions posted:What makes you think there is a radical Islam problem among the Uyghurs? Is there anything more substantial than when the FBI entraps edgy teenagers to "prove" they're stopping terrorism in the US? The onus is not on the people being forced into camps to prove they shouldn't be. The onus is on the organization that is forcibly relocating people along ethnic lines, something that has rarely if ever been done for the relocated people's benefit. by this same logic the efforts to stop female genital mutilation are genocide
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Doctor Jeep posted:by this same logic the efforts to stop female genital mutilation are genocide we also have no business going into other countries and trying to stop that. It' just a foot in the door to extract more resources in the region. edit: lol before you try to run at this post: bad things are bad. International solidarity is not in the shape of imperalism. miniscule12 has issued a correction as of 05:14 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Doctor Jeep posted:by this same logic the efforts to stop female genital mutilation are genocide im not really sure about the veracity of the claims being discussed, but you should probably be aware that lurid claims about "backwards" social practices is 100% the justification that was used to justify the residential school system the specific claim you're using was mostly used to justify killing muslims in iraq and afghanistan so basically, independent of the matter at hand: go gently caress yourself
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Doctor Jeep posted:by this same logic the efforts to stop female genital mutilation are genocide Equating anyone's entire culture to a single heinous act like FGM is really hosed-up and not at all what he was saying.
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SFPD arrested the guy who punched the nazi at the proud boy rally in SF, and charged him with a hate crime loving nazi pigs 
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Rah! posted:SFPD arrested the guy who punched the nazi at the proud boy rally in SF, and charged him with a hate crime They're gonna own antifa by involving a federal investigation into their own backyard and having their authority upturned
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miniscule12 posted:we also have no business going into other countries and trying to stop that. It' just a foot in the door to extract more resources in the region. then you also have no business going into china and trying to stop whatever they're doing in their region Hodgepodge posted:im not really sure about the veracity of the claims being discussed, but you should probably be aware that lurid claims about "backwards" social practices is 100% the justification that was used to justify the residential school system why yes, if you replace the situation I'm talking about with a completely different situation then you're right! how convenient! this is like those idiots on twitter posting "if in this text you replace 'rich people' with 'jews' you can see how raising taxes on the 1% is practically a second holocaust!" Dang It Bhabhi! posted:Equating anyone's entire culture to a single heinous act like FGM is really hosed-up and not at all what he was saying. lol where exactly did I equate a culture with FGM, I'm doing the exact opposite! my whole point is that "eradication of culture" is a nonspecific term that can be used however you want to. and that there are cultural practices that are poo poo and nobody in their right mind should care about their eradication.
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Doctor Jeep posted:then you also have no business going into china and trying to stop whatever they're doing in their region Hard agree. China is doing a genocide, our state mechanisms shouldn't be invoked to use it as an opportunity for a geo-political power play.
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miniscule12 posted:Hard agree. China is doing a genocide, our state mechanisms shouldn't be invoked to use it as an opportunity for a geo-political power play. absolutely, china can have a little genocide, as a treat
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Doctor Jeep posted:absolutely, china can have a little genocide, as a treat Maybe we should work on stopping our own genocides first.
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Doctor Jeep posted:then you also have no business going into china and trying to stop whatever they're doing in their region funny you were also talking about a situation by way of comparison to another situation. hell, you even do it again in this post. anyhow, when I said go gently caress yourself I meant that you should masturbate elsewhere, not here. that's the go part. Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 08:08 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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miniscule12 posted:Maybe we should work on stopping our own genocides first. lol I'm not loving with you, I'm definitely against american "humanitarian" invasion Hodgepodge posted:funny you were also talking about a situation by way of comparison to another situation. hell, you even do it again in this post. the issue isn't the fact that you're making a comparison, it's that the comparison is dumb because they're not looking to de-uighurize uighurs or whatever whereas my comparisons are accurate and smart I'm gonna both masturbate and post wherever I want, you can't stop me (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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So then what is the humanitarian purpose of internment camps?
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Terrible Opinions posted:So then what is the humanitarian purpose of internment camps?
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Doctor Jeep posted:the issue isn't the fact that you're making a comparison, it's that the comparison is dumb because they're not looking to de-uighurize uighurs or whatever whereas my comparisons are accurate and smart you seem to be confused, i was comparing you, not the ccp, to the people who ran the residential schools specifically your rhetorical choices
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Uranium 235 posted:isn't falun gong one of the primary sources for the "uyghur genocide" claims? No.
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Terrible Opinions posted:So then what is the humanitarian purpose of internment camps? I'm guessing deradicalization Hodgepodge posted:you seem to be confused, i was comparing you, not the ccp, to the people who ran the residential schools jesus christ yes, of course I understood that, the point from the first post until this one was that the fact that some people maybe used some words in a similar manner doesn't make the events they refer to the same and also that there are cultural practices that should be crushed
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