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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:From what I can remember, he's been mentioned a grand total of two times in the mainline manga (not counting the special chapter released for the movie which was drawn by Oda and shows you stuff from the Silver Age of Piracy). Man, when you put it like that Shiki really did get done dirty. I guess that’s the power of love for you!
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To be somewhat fair to Shiki in the movie. He was literally playing around with Luffy during their final fight and is having little difficulty handling him until he lets himself lose at the end. To be exact, Luffy does a Gigant Axe but he sends his body into the Storm Clouds they are fighting around and gets getting blasted by lightning. Shiki then remarks that he does not need to do anything to take care of Luffy now and stops paying attention to him until the electrified giant leg smashes into his head, as he remembers that rubber is insulated and he gets smashed into the sea.
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Oct 20, 2020 14:17
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i dont really get the crocodile complaints honestly. he had hubris because his power rules, luffy made a logical realization about how to get around his power, hurt himself to get him wet with blood and then beat him up. it made sense and was emotionally satisfying. i vastly preferred it to thriller bark's resolution, which means i probably will end up liking the end of wano less than the end of dressrosa.
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Oct 20, 2020 14:32
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Paper Lion posted:i dont really get the crocodile complaints honestly. people think bounties and appointments are Dragon Ball -style Power Levels despite the story repeatedly making it clear that this is not the case
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Oct 20, 2020 16:04
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Also Crocodile beat Luffy twice and the first time would've been where Luffy died if not for some serious luck.
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Oct 20, 2020 16:22
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Paper Lion posted:i dont really get the crocodile complaints honestly. he had hubris because his power rules, luffy made a logical realization about how to get around his power, hurt himself to get him wet with blood and then beat him up. it made sense and was emotionally satisfying. i vastly preferred it to thriller bark's resolution, which means i probably will end up liking the end of wano less than the end of dressrosa. I don’t really have complaints, and I don’t really think a lot of people really think it’s a huge deal overall and accept it as a natural consequence of One Piece expanding in scope. But umm, it’s kinda hard to deny that Crocodile losing in what’s a straightforward brawl in Round 3, being in prison with sea prism stone cuffs in the interval so he couldn’t get stronger, then being able to hang with the big boys in Marineford feels weird. There’s also the thing where Crocodile got dunked on by Whitebeard which makes it pretty gosh darn stupid that he would ever take the fact that he couldn’t be hurt for granted as long as he stayed away from water. But really at least with that you can shrug it off with “haki didn’t exist yet”.
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Oct 20, 2020 16:27
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Last Celebration posted:There’s also the thing where Crocodile got dunked on by Whitebeard which makes it pretty gosh darn stupid that he would ever take the fact that he couldn’t be hurt for granted as long as he stayed away from water. But really at least with that you can shrug it off with “haki didn’t exist yet”. I mean tbf he also stayed away from haki
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Oct 20, 2020 16:33
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idk if i would call "getting his assassination of whitebeard stuffed by gear second, then losing because jozu hit him with haki, then off screen escaping from akainu" hanging with the big boys at marineford
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Oct 20, 2020 17:56
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https://twitter.com/Fminus14/status/1318198705665855491
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Oct 20, 2020 22:14
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Oct 20, 2020 22:15
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Random aside, but when did One Piece start to really take off in popularity? I remember it was part of the "Big Three" of the big hitters back in the day alongside Naruto and Bleach, but is there a way to pinpoint the moment when OP became a national then worldwide phenomenon in terms of sales and popularity?
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Oct 20, 2020 22:23
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Random aside, but when did One Piece start to really take off in popularity? I remember it was part of the "Big Three" of the big hitters back in the day alongside Naruto and Bleach, but is there a way to pinpoint the moment when OP became a national then worldwide phenomenon in terms of sales and popularity?
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Oct 20, 2020 22:38
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Random aside, but when did One Piece start to really take off in popularity? I remember it was part of the "Big Three" of the big hitters back in the day alongside Naruto and Bleach, but is there a way to pinpoint the moment when OP became a national then worldwide phenomenon in terms of sales and popularity? It's popularity steadily grew over time, but I think the huge bump going by volume sales numbers occured around 2009-2011, during the shabondy->impel down->Marineford War arcs.
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Oct 20, 2020 22:40
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No Wave posted:Some people here blamed really bad anime localization that involved Sanji's cigarette being a lollipop and thought it would never catch up from that. Can confirm that I initially wrote off One Piece because of the 4kids dub, and only became a rabid, frothing fan of it after a friend, years later, convinced me to start reading the manga.
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Oct 20, 2020 22:59
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Bleck posted:Can confirm that I initially wrote off One Piece because of the 4kids dub, and only became a rabid, frothing fan of it after a friend, years later, convinced me to start reading the manga. same, except it was weekly posts in the naruto thread about one piece being better that convinced me haha (they were right)
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Oct 21, 2020 00:19
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I should be more specific and say: when did One Piece become a hit in Japan? I am quite familiar with the sordid story with 4Kids and all that in America.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:02
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:I should be more specific and say: when did One Piece become a hit in Japan? I am quite familiar with the sordid story with 4Kids and all that in America. It was always pretty popular but not a mega bit hit. It actually went through a bit of a drop during Skypiea and then got really popular during the run of Enies Lobby. It then exploded into super mega popularity during the Sabaody - Marineford era. If you had been reading it weekly back then you'd know why as well, it was just week after week of Oda's absolute best work for multiple years and you were constantly on tenterhooks each week waiting to see what happened next. it's reflected in the volume sales during that time which were breaking records left and right I still remember the feeling of shock I had in the chapter where Ace gets punched by Akainu and then having to wait a week to see what happened next. Then as the arc feels like it's winding down with this terrible tragedy, Oda doubles down and has Blackbeard appear to just make the situation go from bad to worse. Plus the mystery of what 3D2Y meant, which is so obvious in retrospect, was a really cool mystery that had people dicussing what Luffy's message was and how the Strawhats were gonna even reunite.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:15
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I often wish I had really sunk my teeth into the series earlier. Like with many outside of Japan, the 4kids dub kind of pushed me away from the series for a long while. I vaguely remember watching some of the Funimation stuff later, but for reasons I can't recall I didn't get too deep into it. By the time I said "gently caress it" and just binged the whole series, the anime was in Dressrosa, and I got so tired of waiting I switched to the manga. I was anime only, so wasn't aware just how bad the pacing of it was as the series went along.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:22
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i heard someone talk about luffy and then saw some 4kids episodes i think and then downloaded kaizoku fansub torrents at like 1 seed up until water 7
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Oct 21, 2020 01:32
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Asuron posted:It was always pretty popular but not a mega bit hit. It actually went through a bit of a drop during Skypiea and then got really popular during the run of Enies Lobby. I always remembered reading that Alabasta was when it took off, cause that was when one of the takoban become one of the best selling books of all time in Japan. Maybe I’m remembering wrong though.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:39
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Gonna be controversial and say I got into One Piece because of the 4kids dub.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:41
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The 4Kids dub got me into the anime because I knew it was heavily edited, and I wanted to see what the real thing was like. So one boring summer I decided to watch the K-F releases and then speedsubs until I ran out of content right at the loving end of Enies Lobby. So I switched immediately to the manga. It was actually the first manga I ever read. For years, something about not having color kept me away from manga in general (I was dumb), but I wasn't about to let that stop me from seeing what happened next.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:41
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I got into One Piece because my friend kept popping off about Marineford in the Anime.
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Oct 21, 2020 02:00
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If there's anything I miss about fansubs, it's the goofy custom fonts they would use for attakc names.
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Roth posted:If there's anything I miss about fansubs, it's the goofy custom fonts they would use for attakc names. I demand the return of karaoke subs in openings where the font talks up a solid 1/4 of the screen and can trigger seizures.
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Oct 21, 2020 02:18
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Even with 4Kids completely butchering it, I could tell One Piece was still amazing, it just took me a while to first read the manga itself, think I documented some of it in this thread like 5 years ago or whatever. Now I've read the manga 4 times total, seen all the movies, trawled through the wiki more than I'd like to admit, I'm completely hooked.
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Oct 21, 2020 02:22
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Honestly not all of the changes made by 4kids were super terrible either. People mock the cigarette to lollipop thing but it’s honestly fine. I can’t think of any others right now because I haven’t actually watched the 4kids version in a long time, but yeah I actually liked Sanji having a lollipop. Oh, Smoker’s cigars being removed made him look like he was constantly just breathing out smoke and that’s kind of cool. Removing Crocodile’s cigar doesn’t work though.
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Oct 21, 2020 02:25
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the hammer gun is extremely funny
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one day brook's going to achieve his 50 year dream of reuniting with that iceberg and it's gonna be sick
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Oct 21, 2020 04:27
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Paper Lion posted:i dont really get the crocodile complaints honestly. he had hubris because his power rules, luffy made a logical realization about how to get around his power, hurt himself to get him wet with blood and then beat him up. it made sense and was emotionally satisfying. i vastly preferred it to thriller bark's resolution, which means i probably will end up liking the end of wano less than the end of dressrosa. its an issue of power creep but one thats handled close to as best it can i figure but to me it is kinda bizarre that crocodile, who is portrayed as a fairly notable pirate in universe (recognizable to a ton of major characters inc. whitebeard, notably not stupid so had reason to think he could at least compete with whitebeard at some juncture, was a warlord and intended to counterbalance the emperors, etc.) could be handled in a fight more easily than say, blueno. a few things from earlier in the story don't hold up terribly well for where it eventually went fwiw, and the reorientation around haki had a lot to do with that - its not really worth worrying about too much, but if you look closely, there's a few things imo that do feel kinda weird with OPs power system
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tbp posted:its an issue of power creep but one thats handled close to as best it can i figure It's easy to remember that Luffy beat Crocodile in the end. It should be remembered that Crocodile beat Luffy twice before that. If they had a rematch with Luffy's fancier abilities, maybe it'd go two to one in Luffy's favor or something, but it's not like it would be an automatic win. Basically I don't think that it's fair to say Crocodile was defeated "more easily" than Blueno at all. It was a totally different situation with totally different stakes. The power of gear second let him get past Blueno quicker because he had more important things to do. I think the reason Crocodile doesn't bother my sense of power levels is that it felt like it had as much to do with determination as it had to do with physical ability. Luffy was easily defeated by Crocodile. The only reason it was a victory in the end is that Luffy just kept coming.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Honestly not all of the changes made by 4kids were super terrible either. People mock the cigarette to lollipop thing but it’s honestly fine. I can’t think of any others right now because I haven’t actually watched the 4kids version in a long time, but yeah I actually liked Sanji having a lollipop. Honestly the crazy thing about lollipop Sanji is that I almost feel like Oda would definitely write a character who constantly sucks on ghost pepper flavored lollipops that ignite cigarette-style because they’re so hot. tbp posted:its an issue of power creep but one thats handled close to as best it can i figure Imho it’s also worth noting how Crocodile stands out partly because power scaling is something Oda generally does well, kinda like how the Birdcage is so infamous because it happens on One Piece and no one would call shenanigans on it if it happened in Bleach or Naruto,
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Oh god I accidentally started this power level discussion. I'm sorry everyone I'll exile myself from the thread for a week.
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Oct 21, 2020 06:47
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I used to hang out in the local library after school in elementary and because I was bored I read through their section of shonen manga and OP was the only one that stuck with me enough to keep following it. I didn't see the anime at all before I started reading it
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The real issue with the crocodile fights is does Luffy sweat? If so then he should have always been able to punch crocodile but then he is made of rubber so maybe he doesn't?
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Lord_Magmar posted:Honestly not all of the changes made by 4kids were super terrible either. People mock the cigarette to lollipop thing but it’s honestly fine. I can’t think of any others right now because I haven’t actually watched the 4kids version in a long time, but yeah I actually liked Sanji having a lollipop.
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Oct 21, 2020 10:42
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tbp posted:its an issue of power creep but one thats handled close to as best it can i figure The power curve makes a lot more sense if don't think of it as a series of increasingly escalating threats, and more as a supposed underdog's adventure through a world that has yet to take him seriously. Bisse fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Oct 21, 2020 12:35
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Don’t they have a scene in Ennies Lobby/Water 7 where Nami’s wondering how the heck they’re gonna handle CP9 for real and Zoro’s says “we lost the last time because we were all confused about Robin, and besides all the fights in the way here have made us stronger than back in East Blue”? I kinda figure it works like an RPG where Luffy fights the strongest guys and gets the most levels, Zoro keeps up by fighting a lot too and grinding on the side, and everyone else...I guess comes up with new tools to compensate since Luffy/Zoro are the muscle. Or alternatively, I guess it works by getting the poo poo kicked out of you in the process of getting your win like saiyans in DBZ, which would be pretty fitting considering their dub VAs. 
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Oct 21, 2020 13:14
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Stronger in the sense of 'more experienced' makes sense, which is true for Luffy as well. Like, if you imagine a boxer just going through matches but not training, he will gain match experience and become a more competent fighter, but he won't get more muscle or a stronger body just from matches. I guess the point here is, contrast it with DBZ where fights are won through sheer training, One Piece until the time skip would be the polar opposite (except for Zoro).
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Last Celebration posted:Don’t they have a scene in Ennies Lobby/Water 7 where Nami’s wondering how the heck they’re gonna handle CP9 for real and Zoro’s says “we lost the last time because we were all confused about Robin, and besides all the fights in the way here have made us stronger than back in East Blue”? Usopp gets left behind when they’re riding the giant bulls or whatever and Nami is like “we have to go help him, he’s not like you guys” and Zoro in a cool moment is like “we’ve all been getting stronger, even Usopp, there’s nobody on this crew that would die so easily”
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