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Julio Cruz posted:no I'm pretty sure if you're involved in making TV shows for a history channel you should in fact know the literal first thing about Nazi symbology so you do not in fact end up "accidentally" putting a Nazi on TV Should it be the make-up artists or the cameramen or the idiot comedian host specifically who knows. I find the dialogue spinning up around this that somehow not knowing about neo-nazi codes is inherently suspicious really weird. Unless you actually believe the producers were engaged in a conspiracy to deliberately slip the white supremacist into their woodworking show under our unsuspecting noses, in which case fair enough but personally I think that's unlikely.
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Comrade Fakename posted:3) Would most historians even have reason to know about the double meaning of "88"? Do the actions of post-war neo-Nazis really impact most historical studies? yes?
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I know a guy who's house number is 88. People occasionally tell him it's a cool address, knowingly, as if they think it's sly. It is not.
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Borrovan posted:I know a guy who's house number is 88. People occasionally tell him it's a cool address, knowingly, as if they think it's sly. It is not. I live at number 69. Much nicer.
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Prinzregentenplatz 88, Munich.Bobstar posted:Have you read Uncleftish Beholding?  Dead Goon posted:Did Nazi carpenters build the pyramids? Tune in tonight and we'll ask one.
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fashy skinheads were a huge part of european history in the 70s and 80s, if you ignore them in england especially relating to music, terrorism, cops and spooks then you just haven't done your job as a historian. This is all without touching Latin America or the entire world in the last decade e; you can be generous and say the other numbers aren't as obvious (I didn't get 13 or W/P), but they saw 88 and the font it's in and asked him, and then apparently bought an obvious lie that took a journalist a few minutes and also did not google the other ones. This isn't a rando disengaged man on the street or young person somehow unaware of the far right, they were suspicious and they asked him. They claimed to do further checks. They very obviously either did not do these things and lied about it, or they did ask these things and are ludicrous idiots. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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They are definitely credulous idiots, Twitter pointed this fact out and now the show will not be broadcast. I just don't think there's anything to take from the story beyond that, without having to sign on for the idea that they for some reason wanted to smuggle this twat onto our screens.
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Spangly A posted:yes? How are modern neo-Nazi codes relevant to studies of the Tudors? Or of ancient Egypt? Or even the build-up of the OG Nazi party and WW2?
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Mr Owl posted:I wonder at what point it was that we veered into the darkest timeline When boomers started signing up for Facebook.
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Neo-Nazis are desperate to get TV appearances where they can be just normal lads, because that leads to TV appearances where they can be just normal indigenous Britons who are very concerned about the elites cooperating with the people who own the media to weaken the indigenous spirit via cultural confusion, which then leads to masks off Nazis.
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Comrade Fakename posted:How are modern neo-Nazi codes relevant to studies of the Tudors? Or of ancient Egypt? Or even the build-up of the OG Nazi party and WW2? do you think modern historical studies begin and end with the national curriculum up to GCSE?
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sassassin posted:Beginning to think Comrade Fakename might not be legit... You mean Kamerad Falschnamen?
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WhatEvil posted:When boomers started signing up for Facebook. This. FB is now just the boomer panopticon and it's incredibly grim.
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Spangly A posted:fashy skinheads were a huge part of european history in the 70s and 80s, if you ignore them in england especially relating to music, terrorism, cops and spooks then you just haven't done your job as a historian. This is all without touching Latin America or the entire world in the last decade The vast majority of historians have probably not researched literally any event in the 70s or after as part of their studies. I would suspect that many would not even consider the 70s to count as history as they were alive then and remember it well. Also, I doubt the TV production staff were suspicious of this guy, they just asked him what was up with the big "88" on his face. Again, obviously, a TV production company should have had employees to vet these people who should have been more clued in to this stuff. But expecting people who do not have a personal responsibility to detect Nazis or aren't terminally online to know about this stuff is pretty weird.
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Spangly A posted:do you think modern historical studies begin and end with the national curriculum up to GCSE? For whoevers nephew who is in charge of screening at sky? Yes
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Comrade Fakename posted:How are modern neo-Nazi codes relevant to studies of the Tudors? Or of ancient Egypt? Or even the build-up of the OG Nazi party and WW2? hmm good point history doesn't actually exist beyond the things you get taught in year 10
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Jedit posted:You mean Kamerad Falschnamen? Genosse. Kamerad in German specifically has military connotations and is thus associated with the fash  (Volksgenosse is also a bad sign)
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Spangly A posted:fashy skinheads were a huge part of european history in the 70s and 80s, if you ignore them in england especially relating to music, terrorism, cops and spooks then you just haven't done your job as a historian. This is all without touching Latin America or the entire world in the last decade A historians job is not to know all history ever. If I study the tudor period or ancient rome or medieval india, why would know anything about 80s skinheads? And why would I distrust someone telling me a tatoo is about their dead dad? Once they were shown they were lied to in production and there was a deeper meaning, they've dropped the guy fron the program - ideally they'd not need twitter to point this out to them but not everyone is terminally online
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sassassin posted:Beginning to think Comrade Fakename might not be legit... I've just worked in media and tangentially in TV in the past, and expecting all those people to know all about neo-Nazis is ludicrous. Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Julio Cruz posted:hmm good point history doesn't actually exist beyond the things you get taught in year 10 Why would you expect the vast majority of people to have learned history beyond that?
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Why is a show about woodworking on the history channel anyway?
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Nothingtoseehere posted:A historians job is not to know all history ever. If I study the tudor period or ancient rome or medieval india, why would know anything about 80s skinheads? That's fair enough but the question was "would a modern historian find post-war neonazis relevant" and the answer is a pretty resounding yes, it's relevant in many post-war historical fields Comrade Fakename posted:I've just worked in media and tangentially in TV in the past, and expecting all those people to know all about neo-Nazis is ludicrous. It might be unrealistic but it's not really ludicrous to say media people have a responsibility to not platform nazis, it's a fairly common thing leftists end up saying exhaustingly often this was spotted instantly and his answers were disproven instantly, I'm not suggesting familiarity with deep nazi lore, I'm suggesting the media should be able to write things that pass an internet bullshit detector long enough to air the show they all just signed off on im sorry for your career choices
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Comrade Fakename posted:I've just worked in media and tangentially in TV in the past, and expecting all those people to know all about neo-Nazis is ludicrous. I'm the wallet inspector, you have to give me your wallet.
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I can kind of understand him slipping through, ie: that nobody really put time and effort into researching some soft voiced woodworking dude's elaborate tats. What baffles me is that when pointed out they took at face value that his dad had died in 1988. That could easily be verified before tweeting it. Dawn Foster had worked out his dad was still on the electoral roll within a few hours of the tweet.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Why would you expect the vast majority of people to have learned history beyond that? I mean this is actually part of the issue and part of the reason why we even HAVE nazi face-tattoo woodworker man and thousands of people like him. History teaching in this country is loving appalling. E: But yes one of the researchers or one of the probably hundred people involved in the show's production should have been able to point out the dude was a nazi.
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didn't the guy have a bunch of other neo nazi tattoos he just didn't have a loving swastika
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Comrade Fakename posted:3) Would most historians even have reason to know about the double meaning of "88"? Do the actions of post-war neo-Nazis really impact most historical studies? Spangly A posted:yes? Comrade Fakename posted:How are modern neo-Nazi codes relevant to studies of the Tudors? Or of ancient Egypt? Or even the build-up of the OG Nazi party and WW2? Julio Cruz posted:hmm good point history doesn't actually exist beyond the things you get taught in year 10 Comrade Fakename posted:Why would you expect the vast majority of people to have learned history beyond that? either historians are suddenly "the vast majority of people" now or those goalposts are moving awful fast
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feedmegin posted:Genosse. Kamerad in German specifically has military connotations and is thus associated with the fash Er, yes, that was the joke?
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You can bet if he'd had a brand logo on his face they'd have sussed that out right quick and had him cover it up.
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feedmegin posted:Kamerad in German specifically has military connotations and is thus associated with the fash The only time I've heard that word in English-speaking media is Nazis surrendering to Good Guys so that's a fash connotation I'm fine with.
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sassassin posted:You can bet if he'd had a brand logo on his face they'd have sussed that out right quick and had him cover it up.
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I understand the tattooed Nazi was on Channel 4's "Dumped" some time back, although he didn't have the facial tattoos then.quote:It involved 11 contestants living for three weeks on a rubbish dump next to a landfill site near Croydon in South London. The contestants who "survived" the 21 days and used only what they found on the dump were awarded £20,000 to share equally between them. The working title of the programme was Eco-Challenge...
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lol https://twitter.com/Fobwashed/status/1318767592740253696?s=20
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Guavanaut posted:golden palace dot com It was actually for 888 casino but he ran out of money to pay the artist for the 3rd "8".
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I thought just being on the internet for longer than 5 minutes would show you enough obscure references (to Nazism) you might look into it. Even just googling 'common nazi symbols' brings up a bunch of stuff. It'd be like if they did a show about chasing tornadoes called Stormfront. I found out about most of that stuff through music, particularly political leaning punk from the 80s and reading up about the history of music and anti-fascism. Knowing these symbols is useful as, in situations like these, you know if someone is fascist enough that they have hate symbols tattooed on their face and end up on television (not to mention pages of UKMT commentary, sheesh!) which reminds me, I want to watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2weyH9QcII
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https://twitter.com/BBradley_Mans/status/1317896883784777734?s=19 Nothing to see here, just a Tory MP spreadimg an anti-semitic conspiracy theory.
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Spangly A posted:That's fair enough but the question was "would a modern historian find post-war neonazis relevant" and the answer is a pretty resounding yes, it's relevant in many post-war historical fields No, the question was "Would most historians even have reason to know about the double meaning of '88'? Do the actions of post-war neo-Nazis really impact most historical studies?" To which, since the vast majority of historical study is not post-war, the answer is a pretty resounding no. quote:It might be unrealistic but it's not really ludicrous to say media people have a responsibility to not platform nazis, it's a fairly common thing leftists end up saying exhaustingly often Yeah, as I and everyone else in the thread has said, the production company should have had someone to vet these people, and that staffer absolutely should have been expected to know about Nazi poo poo. But there's no reason for anyone else on the show to have that knowledge. StarkingBarfish posted:I can kind of understand him slipping through, ie: that nobody really put time and effort into researching some soft voiced woodworking dude's elaborate tats. What baffles me is that when pointed out they took at face value that his dad had died in 1988. That could easily be verified before tweeting it. Dawn Foster had worked out his dad was still on the electoral roll within a few hours of the tweet. From the video that was posted, this guy seemed to come off as a charming and loveable fellow (and with an eccentric face full of tattoos? He's TV dynamite), so he probably charmed the production company staffers who simply couldn't believe they'd been palling with a Nazi and were clinging to his dead dad story definitely being true.
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Julio Cruz posted:either historians are suddenly "the vast majority of people" now or those goalposts are moving awful fast Mate we were talking about TV production staff. Maybe, for the History Channel some of them are historians, or at least that was suggested. Personally I don't see why a historian would be necessary for a show about woodworking.
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