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Ridcully did actually talk to birds though. Usually he said "Winged yer, ya bastard!"
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Also, I feel like being able to create a condiment that can raise the dead is pretty royal. (Wow-wow sauce is a hell of a drug)
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Oct 21, 2020 00:12
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Ridcully is to the wizards of Unseen University as Zoss was to the 777,777 jerks with keys
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Oct 21, 2020 00:16
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I've been rereading Discworld lately and I can't wait to get to Ridcully, such a fun character I'm currently at Sourcery, which now that I think about it have some vague parallels with Allison's arrival in Throne, except with more immediate competence and intent.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:14
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If we're on the subject of Discworld we can't go without mentioning Cohen the Barbarian, an adventuring swordsman so successful he survived long past being too old to carry on with it but no good at anything else enough to retire.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:33
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Gnome de plume posted:If we're on the subject of Discworld we can't go without mentioning Cohen the Barbarian, an adventuring swordsman so successful he survived long past being too old to carry on with it but no good at anything else enough to retire. Every single member of the Silver Horde is Royalty.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:50
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Are there any parallels between Royalty and Discworld witchcraft? I remember one of the books boiling it down to having complete certainty in an uncertain universe, ie looking at a man and believing he's a frog so hard that the universe gives up and agrees with you.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:53
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There's also Carrot, who became Royalty by refusing to become royalty.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:57
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And then there's Granny Weatherwax, whose main schtick is "If I went evil I'd be the nastiest supervillain ever but no I have to be a Good Person and do it all the hard way because I'm so principled and I kinda hate it."
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Oct 21, 2020 02:07
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Ridcully wasn’t Royalty, but Bloody Stupid Johnson definitely was.
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Oct 21, 2020 02:09
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pseudorandom name posted:Ridcully wasn’t Royalty, but Bloody Stupid Johnson definitely was. Oh man, he's so far along the path to Royalty he's out in like Ronkonkoma.
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Oct 21, 2020 02:34
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Gnome de plume posted:If we're on the subject of Discworld we can't go without mentioning Cohen the Barbarian, an adventuring swordsman so successful he survived long past being too old to carry on with it but no good at anything else enough to retire. Cohen is like the anti Meti, master of not getting cut. Granny Weatherwax isn't Royalty, but only because being Royal is clearly a waste of time that only morons would want. She definitely could if she wanted, she's just busy doing things that are actually important. Lu Tze seems capable of Royalty and very clearly has mastered Ki-rata.
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Oct 21, 2020 03:19
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Lemony posted:Granny Weatherwax isn't Royalty, but only because being Royal is clearly a waste of time that only morons would want. She definitely could if she wanted, she's just busy doing things that are actually important. Ironically, this would make her Royalty.
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Oct 21, 2020 03:30
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skaianDestiny posted:Ironically, this would make her Royalty. Granny Weatherwax is nothing but a continuous cutting motion everywhere she goes. You can't get more Royal.
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Oct 21, 2020 03:44
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feeling like I should at some point read more than just the Watch and Death books
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skaianDestiny posted:Ironically, this would make her Royalty. That sounds about right. She'd probably call you an idiot if you tried to argue the point with her though. I figure she and Meti would have got on like a house on fire. I have a deep fondness of the scene where she plays cards with Death for the life of a baby.
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Lemony posted:That sounds about right. She'd probably call you an idiot if you tried to argue the point with her though. I figure she and Meti would have got on like a house on fire. Agreed on all counts.
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Darth Walrus posted:There's also Carrot, who became Royalty by refusing to become royalty. Carrot has a keen understanding that a King is supposed to be protector, servant, and peacekeeper for their people, and they don't need to put on airs to do it. Carrot is also an inherently good person. One bit that sticks with me is Vimes' observation that, if your life is ever at someone's mercy, you should hope that is an evil person, because an evil person will gloat and savor that position. A good person, like Carrot, will simply kill you.
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Carrot also always has an air of the uncanny. He’s a very literally impossibly good person, a cop who isn’t a bastard, and that requires the universe to bend around him. Everyone is very glad he’s not ambitious enough to aim for the throne.
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Oct 21, 2020 05:08
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Lemony posted:I have a deep fondness of the scene where she plays cards with Death for the life of a baby. And Death throws the game because would you really like to see what happens if you win against Granny Weatherwax?
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pseudorandom name posted:Ridcully wasn’t Royalty, but Bloody Stupid Johnson definitely was. How could I forget Blood Stupid Johnson.
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I mean, what's there to aim for? He is the King of Ankh-Morpork and everyone kind of knows it without articulating it. He doesn't have to prove anything, at least to his kingdom.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:And Death throws the game because would you really like to see what happens if you win against Granny Weatherwax? quote:MISTRESS WEATHERWAX? said Death from the doorway. I looked up a number of quotes from her scenes to find that, they pretty much would all fit right in to KSBD, which is probably a testament to how well the setting of the comic is written. Granny definitely understands Royalty. Seriously, if you haven't read it before you should look up her bit on Right and Wrong. Fits perfectly into the setting. Lemony fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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quote:"Granny Weatherwax looked out at the multi-layered, silvery world. quote:“Most people, on waking up, accelerate through a quick panicky pre-consciousness check-up: who am I, where am I, who is he/she, good god, why am I cuddling a policeman's helmet, what happened last night?
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IMJack posted:I mean, what's there to aim for? He is the King of Ankh-Morpork and everyone kind of knows it without articulating it. He doesn't have to prove anything, at least to his kingdom. He's really not. His image of an ideal society is not being enacted in Ankh-Morpork, at least not at any speed faster than a leisurely stroll, and he personally dislikes Vetinari. Carrot absolutely could do far more than he does, if he had more power - it's not a matter of proving, it's a matter of Carrot's ideals. He absolutely could sweep away the frankly atrocious mess of governance and separate the wicked from the just, and some part of him wants to do that. But he's been convinced that that's not actually going to end up with good results, though mostly as a result of imprinting on Vimes and respect for the law (even the extremely dumb law) than because he's sat down and decided anything. Carrot could be Solomon David (with less spine-pulping), but decided not to be because he ended up not being particularly monarchist, since Vimes had a salutatory effect on him.
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Lemony posted:That sounds about right. She'd probably call you an idiot if you tried to argue the point with her though. I figure she and Meti would have got on like a house on fire. Screams, flames, people running for shelter?
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Vimes, of course, can't be Royalty because there's is literally nothing he hates more than kings.
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So all these names are from discworld? Does anyone know how the audiobooks are?
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Donkringel posted:So all these names are from discworld? No firsthand experience but I know a few people who have been listening through them this year and they seem to approve.
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YggiDee posted:Vimes, of course, can't be Royalty because there's is literally nothing he hates more than kings. He is, of course, a duke. A title which can only be granted by the King of Ankh, who, as we've already discussed, is Vimes' 2nd-in-command. (I always figured Vimes either suspects or knows about Carrot and he's ignoring it as hard as he bloody can, because, after all, Carrot's not ruling the city, he's just a drat good copper.) IMJack posted:One bit that sticks with me is Vimes' observation that, if your life is ever at someone's mercy, you should hope that is an evil person, because an evil person will gloat and savor that position. A good person, like Carrot, will simply kill you. That was a great line at the time, but I've seen it posted around the internet by people who seem to believe that just because you think you would kill someone without gloating, that means you're a good person. The kind of people who would later unironically post Gamer Joker poo poo. So it's tough for me to take it seriously out of context. fe: A detail I've always loved from Men At Arms, completely divorced from the whole Royalty discussion, is that Vimes' watch plays the same music-box tune as the two watches from the standoff in A Few Dollars More. Cling, bing, a-bing, bong...
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Donkringel posted:So all these names are from discworld? I liked the Stephen Briggs ones a lot.
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Vimes definitely knows Carrot is the obvious true heir to the city and is genuinely concerned he'd have to go Old Stoneface on him if it came to that. Thankfully, it never will, and it's been clear for a while that it won't so Vimes can worry about other things. Vimes comes from an extremely prestigious lineage himself, in terms of regicides.
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Donkringel posted:So all these names are from discworld? The more recent ones are mostly read by Stephen Briggs, and I like him a lot more. As a whole, I think the Discworld audiobooks are a great way to experience the series (aside from a few things where Pratchett used typography and layout very deliberately, like in Reaper Man where an entire page was filled by a single word).
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I've always wondered how the many many footnotes are handled in the audio books
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Joe Slowboat posted:Vimes comes from an extremely prestigious lineage himself, in terms of regicides. To be fair, while he could never be Royalty, his unswerving dedication to regicide is pretty Royal in and of itself. If you meet god on the road and so forth. On the other hand, his self loathing and feeling of being a class traitor definitely would prevent him achieving Royalty even if he didn't hate kings.
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On a side note... I actually like the punk-rock style they've taken with the upcoming TV series of The Watch. It's trying to be its own thing rather than cribbing direct from the books verbatim, and I'm hoping it turns out fun.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:On a side note... I actually like the punk-rock style they've taken with the upcoming TV series of The Watch. It's trying to be its own thing rather than cribbing direct from the books verbatim, and I'm hoping it turns out fun. Yeah but they took out Fred Colon and Nobby Nobbs entirely
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Neddy Seagoon posted:On a side note... I actually like the punk-rock style they've taken with the upcoming TV series of The Watch. It's trying to be its own thing rather than cribbing direct from the books verbatim, and I'm hoping it turns out fun. I'm torn. On the one hand, it's the kind of adaptation butchery that Terry Pratchett would have hated. On the other hand, if you are going to completely change it up there are worse directions to go than radically inclusive punk rock.
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Straight White Shark posted:I'm torn. On the one hand, it's the kind of adaptation butchery that Terry Pratchett would have hated. On the other hand, if you are going to completely change it up there are worse directions to go than radically inclusive punk rock. I'm generally on the same side regarding adaption butchery (I despise the Altered Carbon TV adaption for a looot of reasons), but at a glance with the trailer it looks like in this case they seem to know what they're changing and why they're doing it, rather than swapping things out arbitrarily. It's definitely gonna be its own thing, but it's not a bad direction for a TV show and it at least looks like it'll be internally cohesive.
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