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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Some major language-wikis, are also really low quality. Some wikis that have high page counts like Swedish (9 M speakers) and Cebuano (21 M speakers) are almost entirely bot-generated. Didn't know Turkish was that well established considering their old ban on the site. Then again that could just be 15 coked up nationalists constantly editing every page having to do with ataturk or the various genocides.
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Just classify Swedish/Danish/Norwegian as dialects of Scandinavian, whatever, they're similar enough for this to work.
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Kamrat posted:Just classify Swedish/Danish/Norwegian as dialects of Scandinavian, whatever, they're similar enough for this to work.  
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Oct 21, 2020 11:09
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"Nau"? What the gently caress 
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Milo and POTUS posted:It is? What's the difference then? I assumed they were the same thing Scots and English are on a dialect continuum where it's very fuzzy what's a dialect of Scots and what's a dialect of English. But generally "Scottish English" refers to ways of speaking which are much more clearly on the English language side of the scale. James McAvoy and Peter Capaldi both speak Scottish English, the kind which you'd hopefully have little difficulty understanding. On the other hand, certain dialects of Scots are much more likely to be unintelligible to an English speaker unaccustomed to Scots, a popular example would be Young Macguffin in Brave, who speaks Doric. In between those extremes you have things like Glaswegian accents (here's an example from Under the Skin), where you'd probably find disagreement on whether these are Scots or English (including among speakers!). Even within a place like Glasgow there's a spectrum, I have a Glaswegian accent, but what I speak is definitely Scottish English, not Scots, and where I expect a lot of people from further afield might struggle with the speaker in the Under the Skin clip, I tend to have very little trouble being understood. Reveilled fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Oct 21, 2020 11:43
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Behold, your american scotts teacher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ADGrq8cQco And there's more to the Norse/Suomi relation than just the language family divide since the Swedish and Finnish languages has, and will keep having, more natively bilingual speakers. Basically, Swedish gets to have way more Suomi synonyms and expressions popularised than the other Norse as direct loans from Finnish, while Finnish has many more Swedish influences than Norwegian or Danish ones.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Some major language-wikis, are also really low quality. Some wikis that have high page counts like Swedish (9 M speakers) and Cebuano (21 M speakers) are almost entirely bot-generated. lol nl starting out in the middle of the pack and ending up dead last Embarrassing for a language with 23 million speakers
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O.K., so what’s more impressive about the English Wikipedia isn’t by how much it tops the chart now. It’s that the 2007 version of English Wikipedia would still beat the 2016 versions of the others. e: Something of an optical illusion. It would actually be in a dead heat with Arabic. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Some of the other Wikis have actually declined significantly between 2007 and 2016 in that regard, so not really. The impressive part is how high and how consistent it is. Now don't get cocky like French speakers did, it might not last forever.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Some major language-wikis, are also really low quality. Some wikis that have high page counts like Swedish (9 M speakers) and Cebuano (21 M speakers) are almost entirely bot-generated. Thats a cool chart. Heres the explanation if anyone, like me, was confused by "editing depth": https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wik...0are%20updated.
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Zedhe Khoja posted:Didn't know Turkish was that well established considering their old ban on the site. Then again that could just be 15 coked up nationalists constantly editing every page having to do with ataturk or the various genocides. That's just one extremely long page and a bunch of deletions though? I also agree that I only use Danish Wikipedia if it's a Danish thing and English Wikipedia failed me. And usually I'm disappointed. I do also use it for translation occasionally, like finding the Danish word for a diminished chord would be hell with a dictionary. Also Sweden isn't part of Eastern Denmark, it is Eastern Denmark along with Bornholm. Sadly, the native Danish speakers were genocided/Swedified in the 1600s I think, so I have my doubts about Scanian being Danish.
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Reveilled posted:Scots and English are on a dialect continuum where it's very fuzzy what's a dialect of Scots and what's a dialect of English. But generally "Scottish English" refers to ways of speaking which are much more clearly on the English language side of the scale. James McAvoy and Peter Capaldi both speak Scottish English, the kind which you'd hopefully have little difficulty understanding. On the other hand, certain dialects of Scots are much more likely to be unintelligible to an English speaker unaccustomed to Scots, a popular example would be Young Macguffin in Brave, who speaks Doric. This is confirming my my totally accurate scientific theory that if I, an southern Englishman, can understand it, it's Scottish English. If I can't, it's Scots.
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BonHair posted:Also Sweden isn't part of Eastern Denmark, it is Eastern Denmark along with Bornholm. Sadly, the native Danish speakers were genocided/Swedified in the 1600s I think, so I have my doubts about Scanian being Danish.
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With ABP it's difficult to tell whether or not he's being sarcastic, so I don't know if this is an issue that actually comes up sometimes between the two countries
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Phlegmish posted:lol nl starting out in the middle of the pack and ending up dead last Was it? 
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The Dutch wikipedia is 2+ million pages so that would be impressive But yeah, I think it's time go for quality over quantity. Must just be a ton of stubs right now.
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Phlegmish posted:The Dutch wikipedia is 2+ million pages so that would be impressive I thought that that was Belgium’s thing.
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Platystemon posted:I thought that that was Belgium’s thing. This is the first hand joke in a while that is actually funny, 99% of the time it's just 'GOTTA HAND IT TO THEM LOL' e: note, might not be as funny if you're Congolese
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Reveilled posted:Scots and English are on a dialect continuum where it's very fuzzy what's a dialect of Scots and what's a dialect of English. But generally "Scottish English" refers to ways of speaking which are much more clearly on the English language side of the scale. James McAvoy and Peter Capaldi both speak Scottish English, the kind which you'd hopefully have little difficulty understanding. On the other hand, certain dialects of Scots are much more likely to be unintelligible to an English speaker unaccustomed to Scots, a popular example would be Young Macguffin in Brave, who speaks Doric. holy poo poo the only thing I got out of the last one was something about traffic lights. Drive straight along and traffic lights. e: that was followed by this which is really amusing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLQD5BzWyAg
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I think we should err on the side of not rewarding genocide. Obviously, but it is a quite good way of erasing languages. Ethnic cleansing might be slightly more accurate, but the end result is the same: Scania speaks a variant of Swedish, which is clearly silly to a Swede and clearly silly AND Swedish to a Dane. Eastern Danish is, as far as I know, basically gone except a few old people on Bornholm.
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Yeah the Old Scanian is a bit like Manx in that outside of a few linguists and some isolated ancient cranks it's basically extinct. Modern Scanian is just Swedish with a speech impediment.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:holy poo poo the only thing I got out of the last one was something about traffic lights. Drive straight along and traffic lights. Here's a transcription! quote:Eh--aye--you've got tae [to] go--see alang [along] that way--oh, this is going tae be pure hard tae explain, do ye [you] know where the ASDA is? I don't even...know where tae point ye towards. See if ye just drive straight alang up there? And then--see the traffic lights up there? Take a right, then you'll go past Ibrox Stadium, right? Ye go straight through a roundabout, then take a left, right? Then, just, then it's there, motorway's there, it's a big ASDA, you'll see it, a big ASDA sign. I haven't seen the film but Scarlett Johannsson must have been asking for directions to the nearest junction of the M8 (presumably she has realised she is in Govan and is now trying to escape). These are the directions he's giving: https://goo.gl/maps/TgJtAJ7Si4tN6FX69 Reveilled fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Vasukhani posted:
I don't think anyone would dispute that Alberta is full of fascists
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FreudianSlippers posted:Yeah the Old Scanian is a bit like Manx in that outside of a few linguists and some isolated ancient cranks it's basically extinct. There's an article in Språktidningen about letters between parish priests in Danish Skåne in the 16th century and their colleagues in Denmark proper, complaining about the incomprehensible nonsense that they spoke in Skåne.
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Alberta had a big Social Credit movement at one time.
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Alberta in the 30s was run by the United Farmers Alliance who I'm guessing are shaded there for being part of the prairie socialist movement. However it might also be because Alberta ran it's own little eugenics program from 1928 to 1942. just kidding, in '42 the act was amended to allow even more sterilizations. It was only repealed in 1972
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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before founding static x Wayne static ran the soviet union
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Nvm I’m wrong
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BonHair posted:Obviously, but it is a quite good way of erasing languages. Ethnic cleansing might be slightly more accurate, but the end result is the same: Scania speaks a variant of Swedish, which is clearly silly to a Swede and clearly silly AND Swedish to a Dane. Eastern Danish is, as far as I know, basically gone except a few old people on Bornholm. FreudianSlippers posted:Yeah the Old Scanian is a bit like Manx in that outside of a few linguists and some isolated ancient cranks it's basically extinct.
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Vasukhani posted:
I presume this is pre-1968 given Czechoslovakia? I like how smol Alberta is.
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Jehde posted:I presume this is pre-1968 given Czechoslovakia? its 1938
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Given free Czechoslovakia, fascist Spain, Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito, it's 1936-1938
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Eiba posted:Huh. The Belgian Congo, bastion of... liberty? Look, if you wanna question it, you're gonna have to get through Mussolini first. New Zealand has been overcome by some dudes, and Antarctica is made of hands.
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Eiba posted:Huh. The Belgian Congo, bastion of... liberty? The map maker can't seem to make up their mind about colonies in general
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i should catch up on / reread SSSS
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Eiba posted:Huh. The Belgian Congo, bastion of... liberty? Glad I wasn't the only one instantly outraged lol
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You don't see many caricatures of Kurt Schuschnigg, Boris III, or Miklós Horthy these days. The artist seems a little preoccupied with southeastern Europe considering WWII would kick off in Poland just a year later, but hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
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Eiba posted:Huh. The Belgian Congo, bastion of... liberty? The governors took a laissez‐faire, hands‐off approach.
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