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Skwirl posted:Is Kitty Pryde the only X-Men character to use the N word? (Twice) A related question is how many times did they try to make 'mutant' the 'm-word.'
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Dawgstar posted:A related question is how many times did they try to make 'mutant' the 'm-word.' When it's used as a slur people tend to say "mutie" not "mutant," I think maybe Havok said something about "the M-word" in that insanely tone deaf speech in Uncanny Avengers that was so terrible Bendis had
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Oct 20, 2020 23:43
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that speech alone was enough for havok to merit going on the hellions. it's empath-equivalence in the space of a few panels.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:46
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Skwirl posted:When it's used as a slur people tend to say "mutie" not "mutant," thanks Rick Remender
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Oct 21, 2020 03:02
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Alaois posted:thanks Rick Remender He should stick to murder squad comics.
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Oct 21, 2020 03:05
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Skwirl posted:He should stick to murder squad comics. I'm never ever gonna read his Uncanny X-Force
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Oct 21, 2020 03:09
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Alaois posted:I'm never ever gonna read his Uncanny X-Force It's actually really good. Like, even before the Havok speech people were really disappointed at the drop in quality between X-Force and Avengers.
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Oct 21, 2020 03:10
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Skwirl posted:It's actually really good. Like, even before the Havok speech people were really disappointed at the drop in quality between X-Force and Avengers. Uncanny X-Force would have been perfect if not for the Otherworld bullshit. It's one of the most interesting takes on superhero violence mainstream comics have done. And the idea of Apocalypse as Superman? Amazing.
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Oct 21, 2020 03:32
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I already read Si Spurrier's X-Force, why would I read a worse version of it
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Oct 21, 2020 03:39
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If you're not reading lengthy runs of bad comics, are you even really an X-fan? (Not that Uncanny X-Force is bad, but I've read too many comics just because it's the first appearance of Kwannon or whatever for you to get off easy)
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Oct 21, 2020 03:41
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I think the big points to remember are not only did Remender write the kind of tone-deaf Havok speech about how people shouldn't identify as mutants or Inhumans or Kree or Skrull or black or Jewish but people, but when people from real world groups points out how this was tone-deaf, his initial response was, and I quote, "If Havok's position really upset you, it's time to drown yourself in hobo piss. Seriously, do it. It's the only solution." He genuinely seemed to think initially that the people complaining about his (tone-deaf) message of unity and We're All God's Children was coming from bigots, not people who are traditionally marginalized communities annoyed at this sort of erasure thinking. I think he apologized and people largely moved on from it. Except Remender, obviously.  Uncanny X-Force is still good though. So is Deadly Class, at least on the whole. I like Wes Craig and the colorist a lot at bare minimum!
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Oct 21, 2020 03:59
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What's even going on in Excalibur anymore? Is this the same Saturnyne, the same all powerful entity that forced this challenge upon the two factions, that crashed the Krakoa gate, that has the gift of foresight? How consistent is this view when she just got double crossed by two siblings who somehow had more foresight than her? And who did it just by letting her being all hot for Brian? poo poo makes no sense.
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Oct 21, 2020 23:06
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I'm just pissed they killed the alternate reality Captain Britain with the best costume.
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Oct 21, 2020 23:23
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Skwirl posted:I'm just pissed they killed the alternate reality Captain Britain with the best costume. 
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Oct 21, 2020 23:38
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Jubilee is Chinese and Britain invaded them enough she's gotta count.
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Oct 21, 2020 23:41
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I know people like Excalibur but I can barely grok what's happening in that book from panel to panel, much less issue to issue.
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Oct 22, 2020 00:00
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Look, sometimes, a lady wizard just wants to cuck a shape shifter and get her strange on with a knight in shining armor. Don't judge her.
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BrianWilly posted:I know people like Excalibur but I can barely grok what's happening in that book from panel to panel, much less issue to issue. The latest issue actually put all my questions to rest about previous questions I had. Have you read the rest of the X of Swords poo poo? because missing parts 1 and 2 would create a lot of questions I think.
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Oct 22, 2020 00:54
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The sword tournament is practically the only thing I understand. I don't get why there's a buncha Captain Britains that are Gambit and Jubilee, nor why they suddenly wanted to kill Jamie. I'm not super sure why Brian and Betsy were mad at each other here -- Betsy has Brian's old title, but she originally didn't want it, and now he wants it back despite originally not wanting it either but now they both want it, I guess -- and then just not mad by the end. Is Brian even a mutant? Why is he part of the contest? And that's in this week alone, which as you say is actually one of the more coherent issues of this series.
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Oct 22, 2020 02:06
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BrianWilly posted:The sword tournament is practically the only thing I understand. I don't get why there's a buncha Captain Britains that are Gambit and Jubilee, nor why they suddenly wanted to kill Jamie. I'm not super sure why Brian and Betsy were mad at each other here -- Betsy has Brian's old title, but she originally didn't want it, and now he wants it back despite originally not wanting it either but now they both want it, I guess -- and then just not mad by the end. Is Brian even a mutant? Why is he part of the contest? There's an entire issue about why there's captain britans that are gambit and jubilee, I think issue 11? Why the want to kill Jamie i can't directly answer, but I "on general principle" is a good bet. This issue is pretty much incomprehensible if you haven't been reading Excalibur, but if you have been reading Excalibur it answers a lot of lingering questions that I had about Excalibur.
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Oct 22, 2020 02:14
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Skwirl posted:but if you have been reading Excalibur it answers a lot of lingering questions that I had about Excalibur. Out of curiosity, which questions were these, 'cause I read them all and the questions I have on what's going with Saturnyne -- whose main plot/storyline is in this book -- have just increased ten fold with today's issue. BrianWilly posted:Is Brian even a mutant? No, this has always been a plot point in stories where the Bradocks are together, that both his siblings are mutants while he himself is not. In this book, Betsy is not accepted in the UK as Captain Britain because she's a mutant, while her brother was beloved. Saoshyant fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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Oct 22, 2020 03:02
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BrianWilly posted:The sword tournament is practically the only thing I understand. I don't get why there's a buncha Captain Britains that are Gambit and Jubilee, nor why they suddenly wanted to kill Jamie. I'm not super sure why Brian and Betsy were mad at each other here -- Betsy has Brian's old title, but she originally didn't want it, and now he wants it back despite originally not wanting it either but now they both want it, I guess -- and then just not mad by the end. Is Brian even a mutant? Why is he part of the contest? 2. Jamie was a real dick about the events in those alternate realities. They're carrying out their duties as Captains Britain. 3. Brian didn't feel worthy of having the title after choosing the sword. He's back in mostly the right headspace to want his duties back, and he's also kind of adrift and purposeless without his title. Betsy, too, was adrift since getting her actual body back and putting distance between her and "Psylocke" by taking on the role of Captain Britain has given her some clarity and purpose. She doesn't want to give it up. Nor did Jamie until he found a reason to draw the Sword of Might that wasn't anger. That gave him a clarity of purpose in defending his family and Avalon. He doesn't need to be Captain Britain anymore. 4. Because Saturnyne's playing like three games of chess here, one of which was trying to get Brian back as her Captain Britain.
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Oct 22, 2020 03:44
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If I remember correctly, Saturnyne has also lusted after Brian's dick for forever.
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I definitely felt like I should have skipped Excalibur. It seemed like if you're a regular reader it would hopefully make sense, but yeah, I had little clue what was going on outside of the context clues I could get. Meanwhile, X-Men was, again, bland exposition that barely needed to be there. Well, so it seems. It's Hickman, so it could very possibly be important in a year! Still the Hickman parts of this have so far been the weakest. Except for maybe the Percy Wolverine/X-Force issues that didn't need two issues of story to tell. Also it seems weird that they seem to be ignoring the whole Lionheart thing for people who pick the sword instead of the amulet, but I guess since Merlin and Roma aren't doing that, it's whatever.
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Gologle posted:If I remember correctly, Saturnyne has also lusted after Brian's dick for forever. Very much so. Endless Mike posted:Also it seems weird that they seem to be ignoring the whole Lionheart thing for people who pick the sword instead of the amulet, but I guess since Merlin and Roma aren't doing that, it's whatever. I think the implication is supposed to be that Lionheart comes from using the sword in anger, which Brian adamantly refused to do. Adder Moray fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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Edge & Christian posted:I think the big points to remember are not only did Remender write the kind of tone-deaf Havok speech about how people shouldn't identify as mutants or Inhumans or Kree or Skrull or black or Jewish but people, but when people from real world groups points out how this was tone-deaf, his initial response was, and I quote, "If Havok's position really upset you, it's time to drown yourself in hobo piss. Seriously, do it. It's the only solution." Is that from Deadly Class or any of his other indie work?
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Saoshyant posted:Out of curiosity, which questions were these, 'cause I read them all and the questions I have on what's going with Saturnyne -- whose main plot/storyline is in this book -- have just increased ten fold with today's issue. It was mostly just not realizing how the alternate universe Captain Britains fit in. Everything with Saturnyne I just figure is her being a heinous bitch.
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radlum posted:Is that from Deadly Class or any of his other indie work?
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i can't decide if the braddocks were deliberately acting out of character to game saturnyne or not. it would make sense, but then there was also saturnyne whose actions made no sense at all. she had no intention of handing over the starlight sword, but without it the big sword fighting tournament she planned couldn't take place.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i can't decide if the braddocks were deliberately acting out of character to game saturnyne or not. it would make sense, but then there was also saturnyne whose actions made no sense at all. she had no intention of handing over the starlight sword, but without it the big sword fighting tournament she planned couldn't take place. I think she wanted Brian to have the Starlight Sword. Then after making him Captain Britain again, Betsy would get the Sword of Might. And yeah, Brian and Betsy were acting so weird because they were setting Saturnyne up. This issue was about Saturnyne wanting to get her Captain Britain back.
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Oct 22, 2020 22:00
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Yeah it seemed pretty clear to me she was intending to let Brian have the Starlight Sword
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Oct 22, 2020 22:04
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i can't decide if the braddocks were deliberately acting out of character to game saturnyne or not. it would make sense, but then there was also saturnyne whose actions made no sense at all. she had no intention of handing over the starlight sword, but without it the big sword fighting tournament she planned couldn't take place. The Braddocks (or at least Betsy and Brian, whothe gently caress ever knows with Jamie) were acting out of character to trick Saturnyne. Saturnyne wanted to give the Starlight Sword to a Brian that was wholly loyal to her.
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Yeah, I mean Brian can always start calling himself Britannic again if he doesn't want to be Captain Britain anymore.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Yeah, I mean Brian can always start calling himself Britannic again if he doesn't want to be Captain Britain anymore. He's Captain Avalon now.
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Skwirl posted:The Braddocks (or at least Betsy and Brian, whothe gently caress ever knows with Jamie) were acting out of character to trick Saturnyne. Saturnyne wanted to give the Starlight Sword to a Brian that was wholly loyal to her. but if he became wholly loyal to her while also betraying his mutant siblings, why the heck would he go participate in the krakoa death tournament?
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:but if he became wholly loyal to her while also betraying his mutant siblings, why the heck would he go participate in the krakoa death tournament? You're making the assumption that Saturnyne doesn't want Krakoa to win.
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Adder Moray posted:You're making the assumption that Saturnyne doesn't want Krakoa to win. the specific outcome saturnyne desires is unclear, yeah. that's kind of her thing. however, she definitely wants the tournament to take place, what with how she arranged the whole thing. it doesn't happen at all unless both sides get all their swords together. but now saturnyne either forgot or pretended to forget about all that.
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Oct 23, 2020 01:17
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The fact that this Otherworld bullshit is having to be explained at this level says something. Please bring back the evolution-technology dichotomy and more Moira please thank you.
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Either Marvel doesn't know what "unarmed" means or they don't know the entire gimmick of the event they're promoting. https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/1316823692274544645?s=20
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It's a subtle clue about the surprise guest-writer, Geoff Johns.
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