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Guavanaut posted:Sending this to Brussels republic of london *does not contain london e: 273 is the forum id of GBS, where You Should All Go Back To
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https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1319604014711975941 Run a business? Offered to feed hungry children this half-term? You idiot. You loving half-wit.
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Guavanaut posted:Well then... worstpersonyouknow.jpg
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Reveilled posted:Kind of, it's a map of the Tripartite Indenture, an agreement to divide the Kingdom of England among the three leaders of the rebellion against Henry IV in 1405. Ha I was wondering exactly why Pontefract and more especially Sandal are on that map; because they have castles.
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https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1319615429346734091 Really hope this continues to run.
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There's only one way a Tory knows how to feed a kid and it's called the Rudy manoeuvre.
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It is kind of incredible because they could have easily used this as an excuse to give a contact to another one of cummings mates to feed poor children and give him £100 million while means testing it so much that only one child actually gets a sandwich. But instead they've gone for the more transparently evil option which will ensure this story never goes away.
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Oct 23, 2020 13:44
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Not content with stealing the childrens milk, they've finally come back for the solids. Whats next? liposuctioning poor kids?
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Honestly it feels like they're going to hold onto it now so they can have a dramatic u-turn and press release about how they are helping children (with a campaign probably led by Jamie Oliver and one of Cumming's friends like you say) to distract from whatever the next piece of bad news is
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The galvanized corpse of Jimmy Savile on TV saying that the Tory policy of feeding children
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a pipe smoking dog posted:It is kind of incredible because they could have easily used this as an excuse to give a contact to another one of cummings mates to feed poor children and give him £100 million while means testing it so much that only one child actually gets a sandwich. Thinking seriously about it, I think it comes down to this: 1) The Tories have said, time and again, that they're opposed to free meals for children. Boris (+ Cummings) really hates U-turns. He doesn't seem to mind too much if he can spin it a different way, but there'd be no way of spinning this as anything other than a U-turn. 2) Saying that there are children out there in a state of poverty that means they cannot be guaranteed food goes fully against the Tory narrative of the last 25 years - that there are very few actually poor people in the UK; it's just a few million people with plasma TVs, mobile phones and fridges complaining that they can't just sit around and watch Cash In The Attic all day long. If they have to admit - not only that they've been utterly wrong about this, the whole time - but that a national programme is needed to feed these children for the first time in living memory because their parents are making enough money to feed their children, they're kind of admitting it's their fault 3) They're neoliberals, and really, what have those children done to deserve a loving sandwich. Lazy scroungers
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Oct 23, 2020 13:56
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Remember when sick kids were lying on the floors of hospitals then Boris won a huge landslide shortly after?
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Neoneoliberals are worse than libertarians, because at least the old-school libs and true believers would praise private businesses feeding kids so that they don't have to. They've sped past "are there no workhouses?" to mask-off Malthusian "if you feed them then they might survive, which is a problem."
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Oct 23, 2020 14:00
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Communist Thoughts posted:Remember when sick kids were lying on the floors of hospitals then Boris won a huge landslide shortly after? Actually I didn't remember that and that's the problem. They've really perfected the art of doing their evil poo poo in such quick succession that there's no time to dwell on it or remember it. Is someone keeping a list?
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Communist Thoughts posted:Remember when sick kids were lying on the floors of hospitals then Boris won a huge landslide shortly after? That child's dad voted Labour though, so he doesn't count? I think that was the argument
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Free meals for all kids at Wetherspoons.*. *Maximum value £10. Untendered contract at £100 per meal.
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Imo it’s better if the kids do go hungry, we’ve got a real obesity crisis and could all do with losing a little weight. Also the bitter memories of no food may prompt some of those kids to grow up wanting, nay, DEMANDING to eat the rich.
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Butternubs posted:Not content with stealing the childrens milk, they've finally come back for the solids. Whats next? liposuctioning poor kids? had liquids, had solids, time to take their gases at the peak of coronawave 2 there will be heavy interest in their plasma
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I was discussing this with some people last night - austerity as an idea was not defeated in the public consciousness or in the Tory Party. The public got tired of hearing about it yes, which is why it was dropped as a slogan and why during the Tory GE19 campaign did include some new spending claims to get away from the idea that they'd continue slashing everything and privatising the remains but there was no movement away from the public rationale of austerity (debt too high, cut other spending to return growth to high levels). The pandemic responses of billions of pounds having to be spent and particularly having to be transferred directly to workers through furlough has pissed off a lot of the Tory MPs and high command because it violates the austerity perspective on things and also has been a major rebalancing on national income distribution for this year - businesses get loans and no operating income but workers continue to get their pay, what madness is this!?! At every given opportunity there's a strong wing on the party which will just point blank refuse to accept that the government should spend money on anything like feeding children and they are still present and may well take control again once the pandemic situation is no longer so chaotic. The other alternative is more along Johnsons lines of just spending money on your mates to appear to address the issue and so they'll claim British entrepreneurs need strong support and that's what the governments for - so nevermind the debt we're investing in Britain by taking more billions and expanding private companies to have the opportunity to do all the things the state used to do, etc. This will be popular amongst some of the ruling class as well because it means the government gets to pick the winner of capitalism and shower them with contracts which means mega profits for them. So there's an upcoming ideological struggle that's going to happen in the Tories as soon as there is any potential break in pandemic response dominating all state actions.
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Butternubs posted:Not content with stealing the childrens milk, they've finally come back for the solids. Whats next? liposuctioning poor kids? Literally eating the children for their precious nutrients
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Cayman Islands are the stereotypical place because they were the first to offer that sort of offshore company registration to the US (the Channel Islands had been doing it for the UK for longer, and of course Switzerland has been doing it pretty much for its entire existence), so it gets into the culture like through that Simpsons clip. The UK didn't have to allow it, not at the height of Bretton Woods and its system of tight restrictions on global financial flows. Daniel Davies once made the observation that this was a kind of decolonization-on-the-cheap, by allowing these former possessions to rapidly develop a service industry that the UK didn't have (then) much of an interest in. In response to Necrothatcher's specific question - yes, there are some financial sectors with actual infrastructure based on assorted island states (Bermuda is famous for underwriting specifically, for example), with the major attraction being the industry-cluster effect of "everyone else is here already, so finding clients, vendors, employees, and investors is easy because they're all next door". Not all that different from electronics in Shenzhen or aerospace in Toulouse. Another key attraction is regulatory expertise, not necessarily in a light-touch way - remember, it's underwriting; both buyers and sellers are sophisticated financial actors - but the sense that the regulator knows what they're doing and will rule consistently. A major attraction for the UK however is that the cost of living in London is still lower than that of Bermuda, to give a sense of perspective. ronya fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Oct 23, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:I quite like terrible combat systems and would rather have them than more dialogue. 4e was weird, though also weirdly suited to crpgs. stev posted:Yeah if I'm having the news on it'll be either 4 or Sky. I never would've said that a few years ago. It worries me because at the start of the pandemic they kept asking why 'infection rates are higher among black and minority families,' which is something the BBC kept loving repeating with no context or explanation.
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namesake posted:I was discussing this with some people last night - austerity as an idea was not defeated in the public consciousness or in the Tory Party. The public got tired of hearing about it yes, which is why it was dropped as a slogan and why during the Tory GE19 campaign did include some new spending claims to get away from the idea that they'd continue slashing everything and privatising the remains but there was no movement away from the public rationale of austerity (debt too high, cut other spending to return growth to high levels). The pandemic responses of billions of pounds having to be spent and particularly having to be transferred directly to workers through furlough has pissed off a lot of the Tory MPs and high command because it violates the austerity perspective on things and also has been a major rebalancing on national income distribution for this year - businesses get loans and no operating income but workers continue to get their pay, what madness is this!?! I think this is why there's been a drive by servile journalists like Peston and Robinson to portray what the government is doing as socialism, or at the very least "what Labour wanted to do". It's obvious the Tories don't want to provide even this paltry level of support, but at the same time the vast majority of government spending is going to Serco and everyone is getting poorer and more miserable. Seems to me their strategy at the next election is going to be "look, we did it your way and spent hundreds of billions, and things are still totally poo poo! And our debt has skyrocketed! And you want to spend hundreds of billions more? How totally irresponsible, we have thoroughly proven your "socialism" doesn't work so vote Tory for another round of good old austerity". They will 100% use current levels of spending to argue that spending money doesn't fix things, and Labour need to be pushing back against that now. Otherwise all the Tories need to do is spout a bunch of metaphors about "maxing out the national credit card" dealing with the pandemic and they'll get yet another term.
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Convex posted:Literally eating the children for their precious nutrients - Krishnan Kuru-Murthy
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It's funny, I grew up on D&D 3.5 based RPGs, but after getting into 5e via crit role I've gone back to try and finish Neverwinter Nights 2. The system is so awful and restrictive, you basically can't get 2 weapon fighting working until level 6 and god help you if you put a single stat in the wrong place. I'm just sad that where I grew up nobody played D&D or any other TTRPGs.
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jabby posted:Otherwise all the Tories need to do is spout a bunch of metaphors about "maxing out the national credit card" dealing with the pandemic and they'll get yet another term.
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find it quite funny how extremely online leftists are calling yorkshire a shithole, everyone from there cunts, horrible, wankers etc not a day after they were begging people not to mildly joke about northern secession because london or something. the uk is full of very confused people.
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gh0stpinballa posted:find it quite funny how extremely online leftists are calling yorkshire a shithole, everyone from there cunts, horrible, wankers etc not a day after they were begging people not to talk about northern secession because london or something. the uk is full of very confused people. what happened?
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peanut- posted:Who will be backing this exciting new movement If we’re going to resurrect pre-unification countries can’t we just have them all back?
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namesake posted:I was discussing this with some people last night - austerity as an idea was not defeated in the public consciousness or in the Tory Party. The public got tired of hearing about it yes, which is why it was dropped as a slogan and why during the Tory GE19 campaign did include some new spending claims to get away from the idea that they'd continue slashing everything and privatising the remains but there was no movement away from the public rationale of austerity (debt too high, cut other spending to return growth to high levels). The pandemic responses of billions of pounds having to be spent and particularly having to be transferred directly to workers through furlough has pissed off a lot of the Tory MPs and high command because it violates the austerity perspective on things and also has been a major rebalancing on national income distribution for this year - businesses get loans and no operating income but workers continue to get their pay, what madness is this!?! The specific idea that persists is not 'austerity' specifically, but the benefit cap. Specifically the Tories realized that voters were really averse to the idea of anyone receiving more in benefits than another representative household earning in work. This is known to be inconsistent with other voter intuitions on fair welfare, so it becomes a battle over the media framing. When the Tories realize that they've lost a particular angle, they seem to fold remarkably rapidly - this already occurred during the 'rape clause' and 'two child tax credit' tussle in 2018 - and wait for the framing to shift again "Voters reward fundamentally contradictory views on fairness in welfare provision" also explains why one sees the to-and-fro counterattacks in the zeitgeist
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ronya posted:The UK didn't have to allow it, not at the height of Bretton Woods and its system of tight restrictions on global financial flows. Daniel Davies once made the observation that this was a kind of decolonization-on-the-cheap, by allowing these former possessions to rapidly develop a service industry that the UK didn't have (then) much of an interest in. Yeah but we're not talking legit-but-only-just stuff like that, we're talking specifically about structuring of cash and asset ownership such that it's out of reach and sight of the law of the host country. The UK has a big financial services industry which is legit by the admittedly low standards of international finance, its use for brass-plate companies and associated money-laundering through property is, while legal in the UK, only of use to people who are breaking the law in their home country, and unrelated to the fact that Lloyd's List happens to be published here. Of course the UK-based financial industry have enthusiastically jumped on the bandwagon but that's effect, not cause. David Cameron's dad wasn't routing his estate through a company in Panama because Panama happens to be a world leader in estate management, or even because of a deep and abiding love of civil engineering megaprojects, he was doing it because it put his money out of the reach of HMRC. "Retired" KGB officers and Arabian failprinces aren't buying up swathes of property across the UK because the UK is expert in housebuilding (believe me), but because the ongoing bubble (that they're helping to inflate of course) makes the old land-swap money laundering technique actually profitable. Amazon, Apple et. al. aren't all "headquartered" in Dublin because Ireland has a long history of expertise in small electronics and mail order, etc etc etc ad nauseum.
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Continuity RCP posted:what happened? im not sure, some guys are having a discussion about how poo poo and horrible yorkshire/everyone from yorkshire is, and how because of this they've never visited yorkshire or something. but like i say, they were crying about how joking abt a northern republic was a heinous act the other day, offensive to lobdoners or something. bizarre.
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Is this a significant person in the online left or just Twitter randoms?goddamnedtwisto posted:Ireland has a long history of expertise in small electronics and mail order 
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ronya posted:Specifically the Tories realized that voters were really averse to the idea of anyone receiving more in benefits than another representative household earning in work. I don't think voters are inherently averse to this idea because I don't think most people walk around developing opinions about the benefits system. The idea of "fairness" to those in work taking precedence over ability to survive on benefits was embraced by New Labour, by the tabloids, by the Tories, and basically foisted onto the public via false equivalence. Specifically, the word you use "representative". The benefit cap does not take into account number of children, proportion of income going in rent, local cost of living, etc. etc. so it does not limit people to what a "representative" household would earn. I strongly doubt the majority of voters have considered this. So yeah, you shouldn't frame it as the Tories "realising" that voters hate people on benefits. That's the ideology of the ruling class that has been pushed onto voters through the media, through deception, and by taking advantage of ignorance and apathy.
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gh0stpinballa posted:im not sure, some guys are having a discussion about how poo poo and horrible yorkshire/everyone from yorkshire is, and how because of this they've never visited yorkshire or something. but like i say, they were crying about how joking abt a northern republic was a heinous act the other day, offensive to lobdoners or something. bizarre. It's fine, Yorkshire hates them back
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Guavanaut posted:Is this a significant person in the online left or just Twitter randoms? idk how significant they are, but one of them has gone on to talking about their royalties from verso and the statesman now, lol i will update if anything new happens gh0stpinballa fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Oct 23, 2020 |
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Every time I read the thread title I parse it as UKMT Autumn 2020 - UK infection rate holds steady at #TERF! cases
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jabby posted:I don't think voters are inherently averse to this idea because I don't think most people walk around developing opinions about the benefits system. The idea of "fairness" to those in work taking precedence over ability to survive on benefits was embraced by New Labour, by the tabloids, by the Tories, and basically foisted onto the public via false equivalence. Just lol at the idea of Tories listening to the public on anything unless it's what the Tories want to do anyway. They openly poo poo on their petit bourgeois voting base but make up for it in patriotism and racism because that's bad for the working class. My point was that the underlying motivation of the Conservatives (to funnel as much wealth into the higher sections of the ruling class as possible) is the reasoning for austerity but there are other economic models which will also do that and they might well roll them out after a struggle. As jabby said they're quite happy to alternate between 'spending loads of public money on their mates vanity projects and corrupt tenders and then blaming Labour for their excessive spending' and 'cutting back or selling public services on the cheap and blaming the poor and the foreigner for it' because the result for the very rich is very similar.
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