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Crossposting because this is a pretty big deal: If you are a Canadian in China or Hong Kong, get out nowhttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-chinese-envoy-says-canadas-acceptance-of-hong-kong-refugees/ quote:China’s ambassador to Canada is urging Ottawa to stop granting asylum to democracy activists from Hong Kong, whom he described as violent criminals, and warned that accepting these people could jeopardize the “health and safety” of 300,000 Canadians who live in the former British colony.
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Munin posted:Genghis Huangdi was a great Han Chinese Emperor: And as the article points out this seems to be part of a broader program of forced assimilation of Mongols in Inner Mongolia. Jeez, China just can't let people self-determine themselves. This is just modern colonialism
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Fojar38 posted:Crossposting because this is a pretty big deal: Okay so there's a bit of a debate as to what the ambassador actually meant here: https://twitter.com/Silmarillion88/status/1316920240685678592?s=19 https://twitter.com/Silmarillion88/status/1316920689136369664?s=19 The implication of this statement seems to be "protestors in HK are engaging in violent crimes, so if you really care about the safety of your citizens you should support cracking down on these violent protestors." That's still a stupid position to hold, but it's not a threat against Canadian citizens coming from the ambassador.
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Except that saying that it's a stupid position makes you a violent protester
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In any case, I can see Canada has an existing travel advisory for Hong Kong: https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/hong-kong They're recommending citizens limit their travel to the area and leave if they can.
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adoration for none posted:The implication of this statement seems to be "protestors in HK are engaging in violent crimes, so if you really care about the safety of your citizens you should support cracking down on these violent protestors." Except he was directly asked if he was threatening Canadian citizens and instead of saying "No, of course not, it's just that the stability of Hong Kong should be important to everyone!" he said "lol maybe" To say nothing of the fact that both of those statements parse exactly the same way. "Support our actions or bad things will happen to you"
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sorry if this is just throwing a grenade into this thread but are there any other podcasts/articles about china that are a little more incisive or fun to listen to than Sinica? poo poo's extremely boring and my mind glazed over when I was listening to an ep where they had someone from the Clinton admin on
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landgrabber posted:sorry if this is just throwing a grenade into this thread but are there any other podcasts/articles about china that are a little more incisive or fun to listen to than Sinica? poo poo's extremely boring and my mind glazed over when I was listening to an ep where they had someone from the Clinton admin on This is a great question and I would also want to know. You don't need to preface your comments with "sorry", it's just people on the internet don't worry.
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adoration for none posted:This is a great question and I would also want to know. You don't need to preface your comments with "sorry", it's just people on the internet don't worry. I really just find myself wanting like "Chapo for china watching" or something like that.
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In English language? Probably not a lot. There is a white guy (American or Canadian) has a family and I believe run a bar in China. I can't remember his youtube channel now. Anyone else know who I am talking about? Edit, found it, Daniel Dumbrill stephenthinkpad fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Related question: Does anybody know of a windows (and/or Android) podcast player that lets me pause a podcast mid-play (helpful for really long podcasts like 30-60 min per ep), play another podcast, and then...come back to the first podcast and pick up where I left off? Like how Kindle saves your place in a book.
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stephenthinkpad posted:In English language? Probably not a lot. There is a white guy (American or Canadian) has a family and I believe run a bar in China. I can't remember his youtube channel now. Anyone else know who I am talking about? daniel dumbshill landgrabber posted:sorry if this is just throwing a grenade into this thread but are there any other podcasts/articles about china that are a little more incisive or fun to listen to than Sinica? poo poo's extremely boring and my mind glazed over when I was listening to an ep where they had someone from the Clinton admin on yeah sinica is extremely hit or miss, i like nüvoices tho Spacewolf posted:Related question: Does anybody know of a windows (and/or Android) podcast player that lets me pause a podcast mid-play (helpful for really long podcasts like 30-60 min per ep), play another podcast, and then...come back to the first podcast and pick up where I left off? spotify can do this
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landgrabber posted:I really just find myself wanting like "Chapo for china watching" or something like that. Try the Silk and Steel podcast with Carl Zha. I wouldn't say it's like Chapo, but there are some pretty humorous takedowns of China hawks here and there
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Spacewolf posted:Related question: Does anybody know of a windows (and/or Android) podcast player that lets me pause a podcast mid-play (helpful for really long podcasts like 30-60 min per ep), play another podcast, and then...come back to the first podcast and pick up where I left off? Overcast does this. Don't they all? What podcast player doesn't?
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Podcast Republic does as well
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landgrabber posted:sorry if this is just throwing a grenade into this thread but are there any other podcasts/articles about china that are a little more incisive or fun to listen to than Sinica? poo poo's extremely boring and my mind glazed over when I was listening to an ep where they had someone from the Clinton admin on I am still a big fan of China Africa Project's podcast. Personally, I think the hosts are occasionally a little too sympathetic to the CCP's position, but all in all, they are a more balanced and far more informed source of news on this rather niche topic than mainstream Western news outlets that uncritically repeat U.S. government propaganda. The discussions there can get somewhat dry too though, so I suggest being selective about which episodes you want to jump into.
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Podcast Republic does as well Pocketcast definitely does this. As people have said I think pretty much all podcast players that aren't just an audio player should do this.
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adoration for none posted:Okay so there's a bit of a debate as to what the ambassador actually meant here: Yeah, China is not threatening Canada; Fojar38 literally does nothing but post paranoid, anti-China screeds like that in GBS all day. Any pushback on his hysterical bullshit (which is mostly talking points laundered through the media by Christian fascist organizations in the US) immediately gets you labeled a “tankie” or a “fascist” with a puerile attitude. Then this idiot believes questioning these narratives makes you complicit in ethnic cleansing once he runs out of insults and arguments. Yeah, China is a predatory country embracing imperialism, we know this; the loving place only has the second highest number of billionaires on the planet, behind only America! That does NOT mean we should be promoting Cold War-esque hysteria and narratives against a major world power. Also, I’m still waiting on an administrator to remove the fascist symbol next to hakimashou‘s username.
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landgrabber posted:sorry if this is just throwing a grenade into this thread but are there any other podcasts/articles about china that are a little more incisive or fun to listen to than Sinica? poo poo's extremely boring and my mind glazed over when I was listening to an ep where they had someone from the Clinton admin on landgrabber posted:I really just find myself wanting like "Chapo for china watching" or something like that. To clarify, you're basically asking for a source of hot takes that are entertaining rather than informative?
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landgrabber posted:sorry if this is just throwing a grenade into this thread but are there any other podcasts/articles about china that are a little more incisive or fun to listen to than Sinica? poo poo's extremely boring and my mind glazed over when I was listening to an ep where they had someone from the Clinton admin on I'll shill mine: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3438949&pagenumber=36#post508867245 It's a little more history focused than current events though. My cohost is a Chinese national (also on the forums) so we might eventually do more current stuff/drama.
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SerCypher posted:I'll shill mine: I will listen to this! I don't mind something more history based, I just have trouble with the lukewarm politics of Sinica, and it's a little boring. Fojar38 posted:To clarify, you're basically asking for a source of hot takes that are entertaining rather than informative? suck on my balls dude
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landgrabber posted:suck on my balls dude You literally are requesting that people give you sources on the basis of how "fun" they are rather than how accurate or informative they are, and seem to be quantifying fun on the basis of how well they adhere to your pre-existing political views if you're going to cite Chapo as your example. Your initial complaint about not liking Sinica because it's boring and your mind glazes over because someone from the Clinton administration was interviewed (FYI, the Clinton administration was pivotal in understanding how Sino-American relations developed and China's economic integration with the world and having an official on to talk about it is highly valuable) and that gives off some serious Homer Simpson energy
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landgrabber posted:sorry if this is just throwing a grenade into this thread but are there any other podcasts/articles about china that are a little more incisive or fun to listen to than Sinica? poo poo's extremely boring and my mind glazed over when I was listening to an ep where they had someone from the Clinton admin on I'm the Chinese Host on With Chinese Characteristics (mentioned above) and I may be biased, but I will say With Chinese Characteristics is definitely NOT BORING if it's nothing else. I hate (i know, strong word) how Sinica presents China. I know they're popular but I am just so annoyed with their "neutral" tone. I remember listening to the episode about Poverty Eradication effort in China and i was so pissed off at the sympathizer stance they're taking. I also really like Chinese History Podcast by Laszlo Montgomery. It does require a bit of a dedication for in-depth Chinese history stories, it doesn't talk about current events. Check that out too if you're interested!
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Fojar38 posted:You literally are requesting that people give you sources on the basis of how "fun" they are rather than how accurate or informative they are, and seem to be quantifying fun on the basis of how well they adhere to your pre-existing political views if you're going to cite Chapo as your example. Your initial complaint about not liking Sinica because it's boring and your mind glazes over because someone from the Clinton administration was interviewed (FYI, the Clinton administration was pivotal in understanding how Sino-American relations developed and China's economic integration with the world and having an official on to talk about it is highly valuable) and that gives off some serious Homer Simpson energy Not to jump in the middle of this hot take. But American Government's understanding on China is NOT ACCURATE NOR INFORMATIVE. The Clinton Administration was in China while I was in China and I am not convinced that they truly got it. Just saying. I don't mean there's no value in listening to a Clinton political aid talk about China and America, but to call it highly valuable...TO WHOM?! Maybe to someone who wants to understand how the American government has hosed it up and has fed the CCP until it became a fat cat and it was all too late?!
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feizhouxiongdi2 posted:Not to jump in the middle of this hot take. But American Government's understanding on China is NOT ACCURATE NOR INFORMATIVE. Oh, I absolutely agree that they got it wrong, and the value of having those officials give interviews is to understand why they made the incorrect decisions they did and how they can be avoided in the future.
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Fojar38 posted:Oh, I absolutely agree that they got it wrong, and the value of having those officials give interviews is to understand why they made the incorrect decisions they did and how they can be avoided in the future. OK fine i can agree that there's some value in that. But then again i just want to shout at them to show my anger.
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Fojar38 posted:You literally are requesting that people give you sources on the basis of how "fun" they are rather than how accurate or informative they are, and seem to be quantifying fun on the basis of how well they adhere to your pre-existing political views if you're going to cite Chapo as your example. Your initial complaint about not liking Sinica because it's boring and your mind glazes over because someone from the Clinton administration was interviewed (FYI, the Clinton administration was pivotal in understanding how Sino-American relations developed and China's economic integration with the world and having an official on to talk about it is highly valuable) and that gives off some serious Homer Simpson energy goddamn you really read a lot out of my post. I like and agree with what I understand of Manufacturing Consent. I haven’t read it because I hate and don’t have the attention span for academic prose. I used to get marks off essays in high school for being too informal, because I just couldn’t get myself to write that way. I like things that are easily readable — partially because of my loving ADHD, and partially because I don’t at all like academic writing itself - it feels purposefully obfuscated, like it requires privilege and exposure to it to understand it, when really, information should be worded so that it can be as intuitive as possible. I got academic vibes from Sinica, or at least reverence for it. Moreover, I have yet to ever hear or read any white American who tries to be informative about China that isn’t completely anodyne and tedious. Often worried about being neutral or sensitive to China, when it’s the most populated state and the one most important to the world’s economy. People FROM China really don’t care about that poo poo, in my experience, just talking to people on HelloTalk and stuff. I cited Chapo because often I find it to be the only podcast that keeps up with the news that I actually can tolerate. Like, I used to listen to NPR’s Morning Edition every day for a little bit, a few years ago. Then that “respectable republican” Jeff Flake got big, and they started pimping him. That showed me that the “neutrality” was stupid and that the show wasn’t really worth listening to if they were giving time and credence to the respectable republican BS, just because he talked down to Trump or something. I got the sense from the episodes I heard that Sinica was going to be more like that than anything actually incisive.
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As a Chinese person I can tell you, so many times I wanted to be like "It's not racist to criticize the CCP or even China as a (political) entity. Please, do!" I think it contributes to hurting the actual, real Chinese people more in the long run. And there is a way to talk about China without being racists, just don't be racist. Is it really that hard. But somehow, most of the time when it comes to talking about China from the "western" perspective, the choice has been dumbed down to Trump's blatant racist, fascist admiring, "China Virus" rhetoric, or the "lets remain neutral and not criticize the CCP because it's racist to do so (its not) and if we do so we're like Trump" rhetoric. AHHHHHHH.
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Also I know this might be throwing another grenade into this thread...But I guess I am catching up on the thread so might as well...That tweet about Hong Kong's public safety and Canadian Citizens & Businesses in Hong Kong? That's 100% a threat, it cannot be more obvious. Even if it's not a threat that they intend to acting on, it is to show how the Chinese government is "acting tough". It is not made out of genuine concern for the Canadians in Hong Kong because the Chinese ambassador just cares about these Canadians so drat much. Also they have actually arrested Canadians as a revenge after Huawei princess got arrested in Canada. These sort of the things they're threatening are in the playbooks. feizhouxiongdi2 fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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feizhouxiongdi2 posted:As a Chinese person I can tell you, so many times I wanted to be like "It's not racist to criticize the CCP or even China as a (political) entity. Please, do!" I think it has its roots in something understandable, which is that the US is on the wrong side of like, most foreign issues, and basically has large urban centers built in ways that cage their minority populations. So a lot of people are used to treating literally anyone who isn't a white American like wounded animals. Most of the time, sympathy is definitely in order. But I don't know. It seems like there's this tendency by a lot of people to act as if Chinese people are constantly being oppressed in a cinderblock grey regime, and living in a country they hate. But you talk to like any person in China, and most of the time, they're like, "It's alright. I like it." What's weird is that this is a common mentality among Americans who will even recognize how dogshit the situation here is, will act as if China is still so much worse, when in reality most of the criticism with regard to surveillance, overreach of the police, political corruption and so on, have fairly close American equivalents, that are just obfuscated a little bit. The distinctions I usually draw in my head are that it doesn't hurt anyone in China if I'm in America and rip on the CCP or something. It's like, the insane thing that racists think is that "clearly all Chinese people agree with the CCP and the CCP is bad, so Chinese people are bad". The weird over-correction that ends up taking place by overly woke people is "Chinese people are actually good, so you have to be neutral about the CCP" when what actually happens is that there're a billion people in the country, living in a developed society, that's on the rise in the world, and they all probably feel differently about the politics, and really, really don't care what random posters on the internet in America think.
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feizhouxiongdi2 posted:As a Chinese person I can tell you, so many times I wanted to be like "It's not racist to criticize the CCP or even China as a (political) entity. Please, do!" It’s not racist to criticize the CCP, but often that criticism is used as an excuse for racist behavior and policy.
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landgrabber posted:I think it has its roots in something understandable, which is that the US is on the wrong side of like, most foreign issues, and basically has large urban centers built in ways that cage their minority populations. So a lot of people are used to treating literally anyone who isn't a white American like wounded animals. Most of the time, sympathy is definitely in order. That's interesting and I didn't think about that before. Maybe because I didn't grow up in America so I couldn't detect the subtle mentality. I think considering Chinese people as one dimensional characters is definitely a factor in it. And to think that if you're attacking the CCP is hurting Chinese people (or their feelings) is a tactic that CCP uses - so it's in their interest that people act this way when they talk about China. You may see a lot of pinkies （小粉红）shout the same lines online, but really almost every Chinese person I know understands that we live under a dictatorship. But there's nothing you can do about it, which gives people a very different outlook on life compare to someone who lives in a democracy, for better or for worse. People have to make it work somehow and continue to live, but that doesn't mean they think the CCP is wonderful - the majority of people really don't from what I know. And I agree that they dont care what some random posters on the internet in America. I think instead of falling for the tactics of CCP trying to tie itself to ALL Chinese people, Americans (or people else where in the world) who do not wish to live under a dictatorship should do what they think is best to limit, combat and to not let CCP expand it's powers even more so. Not because America is No.1 or use it as an excuse to be racist, but truly, recognize that if the CCP and its power is not contained, it will be worse not only for Chinese people, but for everyone everywhere. Also to add on about how there are so many similar issues (police brutality, surveillance, etc) - living in America and seeing how the debate plays out has really made me reflect upon my time back in China. It is definitely all connected! Thank you for your insights! feizhouxiongdi2 fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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landgrabber posted:I will listen to this! I don't mind something more history based, I just have trouble with the lukewarm politics of Sinica, and it's a little boring. You want Chinese history why don't you watch some Chinese history lecture series? I am not talking about youtuber channels. Check edx and tgc+.
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Velisarius posted:I would love it if this thread (forum, perhaps world) wouldn't use western synonymously with American. How can you tell if the poster is not writing in overtly stereotype UK/Aussie slang? I would love it if the poster avatar comes with an optional regional badge.
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stephenthinkpad posted:You want Chinese history why don't you watch some Chinese history lecture series? I am not talking about youtuber channels. This is one I enjoyed: https://www.thegreatcoursesplus.com/the-fall-and-rise-of-china
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feizhouxiongdi2 posted:That's interesting and I didn't think about that before. Maybe because I didn't grow up in America so I couldn't detect the subtle mentality. I think considering Chinese people as one dimensional characters is definitely a factor in it. And to think that if you're attacking the CCP is hurting Chinese people (or their feelings) is a tactic that CCP uses - so it's in their interest that people act this way when they talk about China. You may see a lot of pinkies （小粉红）shout the same lines online, but really almost every Chinese person I know understands that we live under a dictatorship. But there's nothing you can do about it, which gives people a very different outlook on life compare to someone who lives in a democracy, for better or for worse. People have to make it work somehow and continue to live, but that doesn't mean they think the CCP is wonderful - the majority of people really don't from what I know. And I agree that they dont care what some random posters on the internet in America. I think instead of falling for the tactics of CCP trying to tie itself to ALL Chinese people, Americans (or people else where in the world) who do not wish to live under a dictatorship should do what they think is best to limit, combat and to not let CCP expand it's powers even more so. Not because America is No.1 or use it as an excuse to be racist, but truly, recognize that if the CCP and its power is not contained, it will be worse not only for Chinese people, but for everyone everywhere. SerCypher posted:I'll shill mine: I listened to you guys's show and thought it was really good. It already sounds really good but if you want audio mixing/production or design work, I'd be absolutely willing to help out
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landgrabber posted:It seems like there's this tendency by a lot of people to act as if Chinese people are constantly being oppressed in a cinderblock grey regime, and living in a country they hate. But you talk to like any person in China, and most of the time, they're like, "It's alright. I like it." Reading about South Korea's authoritarian past, I've heard people explain this phenomenon this way: being in a totalitarian regime is mostly not actually that different--when you happen to be one of those within the "envelope" of people that the regime dictates it is okay to be. The issue is when the regime changes that envelope, as it's able to do capriciously It's alright, for you, until it isn't. It's just the old "first they came for..." thing.
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