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Nutapii posted:A light comes on and it draws more power when you speak to it though - surely "making a fire"? Miftan posted:I think alexa counts as operating an electric appliance, even if you suggest things to it, but I'm not a rabbi. I'm not sure how you'd determine which electronic devices are Jews without repeatedly running into the Worst People On The Internet though. e: 2-6-2T locomotive on the GWR. 
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Guavanaut posted:I have been reading far too many words by bearded men about whether LED lights count as making fire, Many rabbis and big clive, I assume.
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Yes, mainly because the latter has definitely managed to turn LEDs into fire.
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https://twitter.com/davey/status/1320021653536067584 Why doth not the plebians merely sell their hoard of jewels to feed their kinder?
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I do like the selling handbags suggestion because he's 100% seen a mum with a Brada bag off the market and thought that the 'single mums using benefits to buy designer gear' thing is true. If anything it's a testament to the craftsmanship of modern counterfeiters
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My Mum died yesterday morning. She had a turn for the worse last weekend, and she stopped being able to take in any nutrition and was in a lot of pain, so they switched to palliative care and gave her morphine. I was able to have a couple of video calls with her when my family was visiting her, but she wasn't able to talk because of the morphine and the tiredness. She could understand me though, was able to wave at me and give very slight nods at stuff. It was good to be able to talk to her but very difficult to see her like that. Luckily I was also able to talk to her last Friday before her turn, and she was in good spirits then. I don't know whether to try and come back for her cremation. She didn't want a funeral but it sounds like my immediate family are going to get together for a no-service cremation. I'd have to hop on a plane and probably break the cremation rules. My Dad said I didn't need to come back but my brother said he doesn't want me to regret it. They're going to scatter her ashes on Pen y Fan, one of her favourite places to go walking - that's what she wanted. It probably won't happen til the spring, so I'm hoping to be able to get back for that. What a load of poo poo, though. Would really have liked to have seen her, but my brothers and even my Dad weren't able to see her until she took her turn and they moved her to her own room. I feel awful for all of the families going through the same thing right now. I don't think I'll come back for the service - I'd hate to think that I might get Covid and pass it on to anyone, which could lead to another family feeling like this.
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/ScotteeIsFat/status/1320337925289185287 Is it worth referring cunts like this to the GMC?
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OwlFancier posted:https://twitter.com/davey/status/1320021653536067584 That's also a dumb idea, because lots of food insecure people don't have a garden, but pulling a 1649 to St. George's Hill with a bunch of others for something that grows in the ground is more realistic than the idea that there's all these 'assets' floating around. e: Condolences WhatEvil.
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/ScotteeIsFat/status/1320337925289185287 watch them try to shop people in to plod for intimidation lol
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gently caress I'm sorry that's lovely. I know what you mean about the funeral though, it's up to you, I hate funerals so I wouldn't go to any if I could avoid it, but it's whether you think it would be important for you or your family. I admit me personally I would rather go when things are safer and perhaps you can meet on a nice sunny day for the scattering. I didn't want to scatter my grandmother until it was a nice summer day for that reason. Up to you of course but I would say it's entirely reasonable to not feel comfortable going to funerals especially at the moment. And a lot of what you do there can be done at a later time.
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Condolences WhatEvil. There's never a good time for anyone close to you dying, doubly so when you're in another country and can't easily visit because of everything. I know you've posted before about when your mum was ill about how hard it is for you. I hope your family can find the best ways to support each other. EDIT: ^^^ from OF is very true. There is no right to do these things, but I'd think the same
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WhatEvil posted:Sad things. Sorry my dude. Condolences to you and your family.What an awful year this has been.
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That's awful, sorry mate
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WhatEvil posted:My Mum died yesterday morning. She had a turn for the worse last weekend, and she stopped being able to take in any nutrition and was in a lot of pain, so they switched to palliative care and gave her morphine. My condolences to you and your family. It really is the pits right now.x If it helps, when my sister-in-law died during the Egyptian revolution, I couldn't get back to the UK for her funeral. So I set up an online funeral in a chatzy chat room for a few of us who were unable to attend the funeral for whatever reason (some were carers or disabled) - I got a copy of the order of service from the undertaker, set up the hymns on youtube and started the online funeral at the same time as the actual funeral and posted the various verses, responses and hymns in a timed way to match the real service. Also managed to get copies of the various homilies that people were planning. (Also allowed space for people to write a little 'memory' of their own during that time.) 5 or 6 of us followed that way, but also the chat site did a recording of the 'service' (all the things I posted and other people's contributions) so a few people who couldn't follow along at the exact time were able to take part later. (There are other ways of doing online funerals at present, but I've heard of people having some problems with them. This way worked for us.)
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https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1320385478613454849
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It is prob some hoody-youths who are intoxicated with alcopops and "E"s joy-riding the tanker imo 
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Kept you waiting, huh?
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I’m so sorry WhatEvil, condolences to you and your family.
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crispix posted:It is prob some hoody-youths who are intoxicated with alcopops and "E"s joy-riding the tanker imo Also comisserations WhatEvil, that sounds awful.
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WhatEvil posted:My Mum died yesterday morning.
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Thanks all, I'm doing OK considering. Of course I'm upset but there's also a sense of relief - she didn't suffer at all really.
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https://twitter.com/amandamilling/status/1319753071602372613 A handy list of politicians who think that a throwaway comment in the house of commons matters more than child poverty. Keith will have his hands full trying to capitulate his way to victory over this, so maybe we could write back to these MPs with some advice on the relative values of words vs deeds? They do like letters after all. Anyone got the chops to pull the names of that letter and match it with the directory of MPs? Condolences WhatEvil. Sorry for your loss. Endjinneer fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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WhatEvil posted:I was able to have a couple of video calls with her when my family was visiting her, but she wasn't able to talk because of the morphine and the tiredness. She could understand me though, was able to wave at me and give very slight nods at stuff. It was good to be able to talk to her but very difficult to see her like that. Luckily I was also able to talk to her last Friday before her turn, and she was in good spirits then. Sorry to hear, I hope you get to do what you need to and have people around you can talk to afterwards. The people I've known that have lost parents found it hard, especially dealing with their own feelings as well as supporting the other parent, so I hope you're all alright. A lot of people here have lost someone recently, and it's loving poo poo. Is there anything we can do to help, generally speaking?
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WhatEvil posted:My Mum died yesterday morning. She had a turn for the worse last weekend, and she stopped being able to take in any nutrition and was in a lot of pain, so they switched to palliative care and gave her morphine. I'm sorry man. Death is poo poo 
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Apparently, the SBS have stormed that tanker. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-54684440
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Endjinneer posted:https://twitter.com/amandamilling/status/1319753071602372613 I cordially invite the undersigned to kiss my rear end and furthermore to sup upon my sweaty taint while I bang a salvation army drum and sing sweet caroline
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I am so sorry WhatEvil. Keep yourself safe, and we are here if you need us.
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WhatEvil posted:My Mum died yesterday morning. Sorry to hear man.
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WhatEvil posted:My Mum died yesterday morning. She had a turn for the worse last weekend, and she stopped being able to take in any nutrition and was in a lot of pain, so they switched to palliative care and gave her morphine. Condolences. I know words on a screen can't possibly take the pain away. Gonna go against the grain a little bit of the other advice. If it is safe, and possible logistically and financially, for you to attend the funeral, do so. Be with your family, go through the motions of the funeral, say all the horrible cliches, raise a glass if that's what your family do. It'll hurt like hell, but it's the best way to get the healing process started. The best advice I can give you is from the vicar who did my parents funerals, a nice bloke who managed not to mention God at all, but did talk a lot about how humans grieve and move on (and if religion is *anything*, it's a method to help human brains cope with death, so he knew what he was on about). He said it's natural to try and blot your mum out of your brain, but it's vital that you don't. It's painful to remember her right now, but trying to pretend she never existed just makes it worse when those defences crumble (and they always will). Instead, make sure you've got a nice memory or two of her mentally filed and ready to be pulled out. Doesn't have to be some big picture-perfect Hallmark card thing, in fact it's almost better if it's something silly, something that makes you smile or laugh. When you think of her, and you feel the pain of her absence, just bring in that memory, because otherwise you just end up associating the memory of her with pain, instead of happiness. If you can head that off with something that puts a smile on your face, even if it's one of those dumb cry-smiles, it just helps to put your thoughts on a healthier track.
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I think the problem I have with funerals is they're just far too soon, I'm sure that attending and organizing my grandmother's did my brain in for years afterwards. If anything I find they absolutely make it a lot harder to process it because you're not, you're organizing, you have to do everything, you explicitly don't have chance to process anything. So my predominant memories of her are now her funeral, the difficulty of it, how unhelpful it was, everything that went wrong. Perhaps it is more productive for more extroverted people but they definitely don't help me any, and while I understand that you also have to take other people into account when you decide to go, the obligation to attend I think is probably a bit harmful for some people.
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That's utter poo poo, sorry to hear that. Going to my nan's funeral in June was really strange. It was incredibly soon after she died, and only eight of us could go. Couldn't hug, couldn't go out anywhere after, no reason to hang around. So we just went in, listened to the vicar ramble on for ten minutes (she had to double check my nan's name at the start), stand outside making small talk for another ten minutes and went our separate ways home. Then when my aunt broke down in tears and all we could do was stand from a two meter distance it was incredibly uncomfortable and painful. Looking back I don't think anyone got much out of it, and we'd have been better off just doing something nice over Zoom and waiting to do something proper next year. stev fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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That too, I can't imagine going to a funeral when you can't even show affection to people.
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OwlFancier posted:I think the problem I have with funerals is they're just far too soon, I'm sure that attending and organizing my grandmother's did my brain in for years afterwards. If anything I find they absolutely make it a lot harder to process it because you're not, you're organizing, you have to do everything, you explicitly don't have chance to process anything. So my predominant memories of her are now her funeral, the difficulty of it, how unhelpful it was, everything that went wrong. I think a lot depends on the undertakers. I basically just chose a few things, signed some papers, and they dealt with literally everything else. It was *much* harder work dealing with my mum's bank. Mind you it probably helps that we're a small family and "arrangements", once the service itself was sorted, were ringing like ten people and telling them when it was, then buying a couple of platters from Iceland and some booze for the wake. The mechanics of it were basically the same as a family birthday party.
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OwlFancier posted:That too, I can't imagine going to a funeral when you can't even show affection to people. Yeah, that's just... I can't even imagine that.
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Condolences WhatEvil  its a terrible time to lose someone. If you think you’d get closure and the funeral would be an important part of your process you might regret missing, don’t feel bad about going back. This isn’t a holiday or a frivolous trip. Ultimately it’s about how best you can grieve, everyone does it differently.
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OwlFancier posted:That too, I can't imagine going to a funeral when you can't even show affection to people. I still regret it a bit, but not as much as I would if I'd ended up causing another one. Definitely very strange thought of distanced funerals though.
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