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I think it's interesting Some sports/games have more variance due to random factors than others. Veteran star poker players place high in tournament after tournament and they're known for that; but occasionally someone goes way deep or even wins the main event because they're a combination of reasonably competent + a streak of luck, and get's a big name because of it. You get that in poker, but not so much in, say, the 100m dash, where you're not going to randomly beat usain bolt at an event because of variance. Which is obvious if you think about wizard poker's structure, but if you're someone that happens to, it may feel weird. The human element in high level magic is interesting IMO.
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Framboise posted:The question demands the reader to realize that WotC is bending their own rules, because there already exist flying vigilant creatures in azorius, selesnya, and orzhov colors, but none in dimir or golgari.
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Oct 25, 2020 20:04
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YggdrasilTM posted:There are only 7 Azorius creatures with flying and vigilance, and only one with flying, vigilance and no other text. Remind me how many are in Golgari.
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Oct 25, 2020 20:17
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You might also notice all 3 of those color pairings share a color Golgari doesn't have.
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Oct 25, 2020 20:38
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I think it’s a reading comprehension thing. To get the question right, you have to recognize that they wouldn’t put that part about trying not to do multicolor creatures that could just be one of its colors in the question if it wasn’t relevant. If you don’t take that chunk of the question into account when answering it, that’s on you.
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Ariong posted:I think it’s a reading comprehension thing. To get the question right, you have to recognize that they wouldn’t put that part about trying not to do multicolor creatures that could just be one of its colors in the question if it wasn’t relevant. If you don’t take that chunk of the question into account when answering it, that’s on you. The test shouldn’t be rewarding reading comprehension over magic knowledge. It’s a bad question because it does not consider the purpose of the test, which is finding good magic designers not people good at taking tests.
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Oct 25, 2020 20:50
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It's the test's fault I got it wrong!!! Some of you people must have been absolute nightmares to be in classes with during high school lmao. It's okay to get things wrong sometimes.
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Oct 25, 2020 21:06
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the test was obviously right because all of their designers are complete idiots now
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Oct 25, 2020 21:21
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Once a teacher was trying to teach us cardinal directions and their combinations, there was a map of the world up and she asked us which direction we would travel to get from Canada to Australia. There were two answers to that question. The correct answer and the answer she expected.
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Oct 25, 2020 21:24
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Imagine if they actually printed a GB vigilance flier
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Oct 25, 2020 21:25
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Corbeau posted:Remind me how many are in Golgari. Zero. If I can add something, there is only one creature with flying and vigilance in Orzhov (plus another one with flying and conditional vigilance) and only 2 in selesnya, and all of them have other abilities.
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Oct 25, 2020 21:27
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My main takeaway from the Great Designer Search was that working as a Magic Card designer sounded awful and it was nice that I didn’t have to do it
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Oct 25, 2020 21:27
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imagine how many incomprehensible emails you'd get from maro if they're anything like how bad that question was
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Oct 25, 2020 21:30
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The point of the question was reading comprehension + remember that while blue and white can have flying, vigilance creatures while green and and black are secondary in vigilance and flying respectively, while not having the other ability. I really don't understand the problem. It was just... basic logic skill?
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Oct 25, 2020 21:41
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YggdrasilTM posted:The point of the question was reading comprehension + remember that while blue and white can have flying, vigilance creatures while green and and black are secondary in vigilance and flying respectively, while not having the other ability. I really don't understand the problem. It was just... basic logic skill? Quite a lot of reasons. 1) There has never been a GB flying vigilance creature 2) There have been quite a lot of WU flying vigilance creatures 3) The expression "we try to" does not actually mean "we do" 4) The rest exact wording of the question was also poor and left it up to interpretation how the prior expression was meant to be read Given all that, the expectation that you were supposed to answer the question according to theoretical color pie nonsense hypotheticals instead of how the actual game has actually been made is not a great expectation.
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Oct 25, 2020 21:46
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I think the "we try to" thing really gets to the heart of it, it's a "ignore all outside knowledge and parse the test text very carefully" style question, but you can't parse it too carefully or you might get it wrong
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Oct 25, 2020 21:51
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evilweasel posted:The test shouldn’t be rewarding reading comprehension over magic knowledge. It’s a bad question because it does not consider the purpose of the test, which is finding good magic designers not people good at taking tests. literally_all_tests.txt I'm basically agreeing with you, if that's not clear; tests are a deeply-flawed way to fairly discover someone's understanding or memory of a subject
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Oct 25, 2020 21:57
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YggdrasilTM posted:The point of the question was reading comprehension [...] I really don't understand the problem. It was just... basic logic skill? This line of thought is really weird to me. Why would it be worth writing a question to test reading comprehension and logic puzzles that are irrespective of real-world card design? If it were worth it, wouldn't it be more effective to just have a generic reading comprehension and logic puzzle? Then at least we wouldn't rehashing a very old discussion about whether or not the answer to this question to find new MTG designers should be decided by practical MTG knowledge. e: evilweasel posted:The test shouldn’t be rewarding reading comprehension over magic knowledge. It’s a bad question because it does not consider the purpose of the test, which is finding good magic designers not people good at taking tests. Yeah. That. Don't we learn reading comprehension in elementary school? Isn't it kind of insulting to be testing for that sort of thing? Hover fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Oct 25, 2020 |
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Oct 25, 2020 22:21
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Clearly not I mean we’re talking about this for the umpteenth time now Having problem solving skills and reading comprehension will probably help in game design!!
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Oct 25, 2020 22:32
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Hover posted:This line of thought is really weird to me. Why would it be worth writing a question to test reading comprehension and logic puzzles that are irrespective of real-world card design? If it were worth it, wouldn't it be more effective to just have a generic reading comprehension and logic puzzle? Then at least we wouldn't rehashing a very old discussion about whether or not the answer to this question to find new MTG designers should be decided by practical MTG knowledge. yea everyone understands that the point of the question is to be a logic trap, but the correct answer is the one that everyone knows in their heart of hearts to be true, which also happens to be the one that accurately reflects reality
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Oct 25, 2020 22:44
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Hover posted:This line of thought is really weird to me. Why would it be worth writing a question to test reading comprehension and logic puzzles that are irrespective of real-world card design? If it were worth it, wouldn't it be more effective to just have a generic reading comprehension and logic puzzle? Then at least we wouldn't rehashing a very old discussion about whether or not the answer to this question to find new MTG designers should be decided by practical MTG knowledge.
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Oct 25, 2020 23:08
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Hover posted:Don't we learn reading comprehension in elementary school? Isn't it kind of insulting to be testing for that sort of thing? Considering how many people got it wrong, apparently not.
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Oct 25, 2020 23:29
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I was waxing poetic over old InQuest magazines over in the Industry thread and was told someone was archiving old magazines here- is there an InQuest scanning project?
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Siege Rhino is a mono-black card. The 3-color sets are really bad about this. Abomination of Gudul does things in a mono-blue way. Rhox War Monk could be mono-white and I don't know how many people would even notice. if you wanna get wild about multi-color cards not earning it, Fusion Elemental as a vanilla creature has 5 colors adding nothing to make it feel 5 colors.
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Oct 25, 2020 23:48
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pointsofdata posted:Imagine if they actually printed a GB vigilance flier 
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Oct 25, 2020 23:56
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Maybe the bigger toughness is from white? I know black cards frequently have bigger powers, is that true for toughness?
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Oct 25, 2020 23:56
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Siege Rhino is a mono-black card. It's a 8/8 for 5 with no downside, something that was unheard of at the time. Dominaria was the first set with a creature of equal or greater stats and equal or lesser cmc, but it was legendary. M19 had a 10/10 for 5 in monogreen with no downside whatsoever.
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Oct 26, 2020 00:02
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The test cards are great, I still wanna play impatient iguana in a power cube but I’m not sure how strong it would be
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Nehru the Damaja posted:https://mtgmelee.com/Decklist/View/58997 Really? First impression was that it's running to many non-human creatures to use Kudro, and that's been borne out by the games I've played so far. Chamale posted:Here's the list that got me into Diamond: This seems okay, opening Tezri's ability and getting some value from Party is fun. I think I'm going to swap in Kitesail Freebooter for Acquisition Expert though.
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Oct 26, 2020 01:19
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pointsofdata posted:Imagine if they actually printed a GB vigilance flier That will be in the next un-set, you know it, maro knows, everyone knows it, but we won't see it for 15 years and maro will need to wheeze out to explain the joke fake edit: forgot about the test joke cards, lol
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My best friend went to this elitist nerdcore High School called Masterman in Philly and was a very puzzle minded pothead. When his class took the SATs, there were 3 students with perfect scores. The Valedictorian, the Salutatorian, and ranked 32nd or of his class of 115 students was my man. He told me the SATs are just the ultimate terminus of American WASP centric educational ideologies and you are only going to be rewarded for how to take these exams and not actually for internalizing the information. He often lamented the cool things he must have forgotten in order to master the SAT prep courses his mom made him go through.
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Oct 26, 2020 03:48
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Cool story, bro.
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Oct 26, 2020 04:06
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the test cards should have been released as a standard-legal time spiral-ish set. Well, actually that's a horrible idea, but it would have been really funny
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Oct 26, 2020 05:00
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Both sides in the argument know that the rule says the card has to be BG. The disagreement is over whether the question is asking "can you apply this rule?" or "can you recognise when a rule should be broken?"
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Oct 26, 2020 07:59
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lol, I wonder how many of the people who saw one of those got the joke. must be one of the most niche ones out of the lot.
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Oct 26, 2020 08:58
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pointsofdata posted:lol, I wonder how many of the people who saw one of those got the joke. must be one of the most niche ones out of the lot. Yeah I wonder too. Note the card underneath is something UW lol.
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Oct 26, 2020 09:07
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 Not a commander player, but I love the flavour text.
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Oct 26, 2020 16:13
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 Our son, our boy. No! Ghost of Ramirez DePietro 2U Legendary Creature - Pirate Spirit Ghost of Ramirez DePietro can't be blocked by creatures with toughness 3 or greater. Whenever it deals combat damage to a player, choose up to one card in any graveyard that has been discarded or milled this turn. Put that card into its owner's hand. Partner
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Oct 26, 2020 16:56
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"Whada we do with the ghost of our incredibly flamboyant pirate?" "Ehhh, make 'im blue."
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yeah kinda weird how coming back from the dead makes you lose the black mana
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