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ObamaAkbar. posted:Our only hope is that Labour actually bring in PR if they manage to win the next election, then I can finally vote for a party I loving like and not this shower of cunts i have bad news for you about every single party that ever even promises introducing proportional representation, let alone hasn't made a definite statement on it yet
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Oct 29, 2020 14:54
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https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1321812345857941511?s=19 Come on Cromby
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Oct 29, 2020 14:54
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Jel Shaker posted:lol labour The Grassroots Voice slate is the official Momentum slate.
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Oct 29, 2020 14:55
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I feel bad for Corbyn. He deserved so much better than the way the last few years went.
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Oct 29, 2020 14:56
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Tesseraction posted:To pick something from just this week is the free school meals issue. I don't see Marcus Rashford being on the ballot though? Guavanaut posted:UKIP only really did that because a large swathe of the media low key agrees with their fash poo poo, and another section openly embraces it. Which media outlets are going to do that for the Greens? That's the part I hoped to address with the grassroots bit, and yeah it's bleak but it's better than just giving Labour your vote while they laugh about how you have nowhere else to go and they can do whatever neoliberal poo poo they like.
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Oct 29, 2020 14:56
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Hopefully that tenner I bunged towards his legal fund a few months back does some good 
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Oct 29, 2020 14:56
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It's hard to see how Corbs wasn't deliberately courting this. People have been suspended before for saying allegations of anti-semitism are politically motivated, and you can't really say it any more blatantly than he did in his statement. Oh well. Pissing me off aside, this doesn't change anything. Starmer still sucks, but I'd still infinitely rather have him in power than the Tories, and I still think reforming Labour is a key plank in moving the UK to the Left. Basically if you choose to remain in Labour or leave and seek other means of change, let's try and still be comradely to each other and not go back to the standard "hope is a lie" that's just crushing for everybody's mental health.
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Oct 29, 2020 14:58
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namesake posted:Cheers for the lift though! Trainwreck of a day in retrospect but the drive was nice. Like many things in life, the thing we were doing might have been disappointing but the company whilst doing them was just lovely
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Oct 29, 2020 14:58
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jabby posted:It's hard to see how Corbs wasn't deliberately courting this. People have been suspended before for saying allegations of anti-semitism are politically motivated, and you can't really say it any more blatantly than he did in his statement. Oh well. I'd like to look at where the left goes from here, but unfortunately the answer probably is "back to where we were pre-2015, spoiling every vote and not really hoping for anything"
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Oct 29, 2020 14:59
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If your main reason for voting for a poo poo party is that the other party is also poo poo then you are explicitly admitting to upholding and legitimising a failed system that you know will make things worse. Not voting is legitimate, and if we could crush voting turnout to like 40% or less then you have much better grounds to argue that the entire thing is illegitimate and should be destroyed than if everyone votes anyway.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:00
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DickEmery posted:To be fair sometimes I hate centrists more than the Tories.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:01
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jabby posted:It's hard to see how Corbs wasn't deliberately courting this. People have been suspended before for saying allegations of anti-semitism are politically motivated, and you can't really say it any more blatantly than he did in his statement. Oh well. Agreed on corbs, I kinda appreciate it though. Might as well bring things to a head now. Disagree on Starmer but i think thats a coinflip personal preference issue. Id say labour could still potentially win my vote back but I live in Scotland and never want to vote for scotlab again if I can help it
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Oct 29, 2020 15:02
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I see that some at the BBC are deciding how to approach the new social media guidelines https://twitter.com/TherealNihal/status/1321814196401655808
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Oct 29, 2020 15:02
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jabby posted:Starmer still sucks, but I'd still infinitely rather have him in power than the Tories, and I still think reforming Labour is a key plank in moving the UK to the Left. Presently I am torn between that view and maximum death all the time. If there was an asteroid on the ballot I definitely think I would vote for it over labour.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:02
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I'm choosing to take this as Corbyn deliberating falling on Starmer's sword to force him to alienate the party left and membership and subsequently scupper the future election, clearing the way for a younger, leftier MP to take the leadership afterwards
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Oct 29, 2020 15:03
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https://twitter.com/siennamarla/status/1321798255685062658?s=21 Kier Starmer’s deputy, Angela Rayner, has had a complaint lodged against her by the Campaign Against Antimsemitism. Surely it is now time for him to stand down if it has become so deeply rooted in the party that he leads.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:04
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excited to read people saying "they should leave labour and form their own party, good riddance", then looking at 2016-now usa and smiling. doubt it'll be like that beacuse of constituencies but something to think about
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Oct 29, 2020 15:04
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jabby posted:Pissing me off aside, this doesn't change anything. Starmer still sucks, but I'd still infinitely rather have him in power than the Tories, and I still think reforming Labour is a key plank in moving the UK to the Left. As much as I don't want to be all doom n gloom, I don't see how Labour can be reformed. Corbyn had the most successful leftist platform in British politics for YEARS, and the media, the government, and his own party were 100% laser-focused on bringing him down. Even if we somehow collectively purged everyone right of Corbyn and McDonnell from the party, the media would still utterly monster anyone who ran as leader under those circumstances. Like yeah, Starmer is basically a soft Tory instead of the hardline Tory government we have, and while I'd much rather he was running things than Boris, I don't have a lot of hope for left-wing politics in the UK anymore.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:05
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jabby posted:It's hard to see how Corbs wasn't deliberately courting this. People have been suspended before for saying allegations of anti-semitism are politically motivated, and you can't really say it any more blatantly than he did in his statement. Oh well. Yeah this. Part of why I gave the thread a bit of break after last year's crushing disappointment and subsequent dipshit nazi government.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:05
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jabby posted:It's hard to see how Corbs wasn't deliberately courting this. People have been suspended before for saying allegations of anti-semitism are politically motivated, and you can't really say it any more blatantly than he did in his statement. Oh well. You can't reform the Labour Party. Like, come on now. We didn't do it when we had the leadership & the membership, how on earth do you expect to do it under Keith? They just have to say "antisemitism" & anyone that way inclined on the NEC will be suspended. It's done. We lost. That's not an admission of "hope is a lie", it's accepting reality so we can collectively move on to something else rather than continuing to run headfirst into a fuckoff massive brick wall Der Starmer is very much a pro-establishment, pro-status quo politician. I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils, it doesn't work, it just means moving right slowly as happened in the Blair years. Sure, he'd probably be a less awful PM than a Tory in the short-term but in the long-term it's disastrous for the left to just give in & support politicians who claim to be on the centre-left but will happily endorse privatising everything that moves including the NHS, but slightly slower than the Tories would. I hope this isn't seen as uncomradely because it's not intended that way, but from where I stand accepting this status quo is far more "hope is a lie" giving in than just admitting that the Labour Party as a vehicle for socialism is a bust & moving on to try something else. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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Oct 29, 2020 15:05
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I recall people tutting when I said "poo poo charmer" back during the leader election. LMBO owned.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:05
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The problem is that, ideologically, Johnson isn't nearly as bad as the Tories can stick in Downing Street. He's a narcissist, and a lazy one, so although he's hosed up everything he's touched, he hasn't actually gone as all-in on 'gently caress the working class' as many other Tories would do. So it's genuinely a question I'm going to have to think about the next time a General Election comes around - do I vote for the lesser evil or do nothing and let Priti Patel and her manifesto of 'kill all muslims and people out of work' win without at least a token effort. The next local elections, though, I'm staying the gently caress at home.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:05
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So I voted in the NEC elections, does that mean I can safely cancel my debit now and still have my vote count? I was pretty much only hanging on for the NEC vote but this is the final straw.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:06
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Jel Shaker posted:lol labour I voted along the lines in this article here.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:07
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Quotey posted:excited to read people saying "they should leave labour and form their own party, good riddance", then looking at 2016-now usa and smiling. doubt it'll be like that beacuse of constituencies but something to think about "Once Labour lose enough elections they will realise they rely on the left for victory" I say as Johnson is crowned God-Emperor for life.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:07
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dan finn at jacobin is very angry about it all The Labour Antisemitism Report Has Always Been a Politically Motivated Travesty https://jacobinmag.com/2020/10/labour-antisemitism-report-ehrc-corbyn-commission
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Oct 29, 2020 15:08
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Surprise T Rex posted:As much as I don't want to be all doom n gloom, I don't see how Labour can be reformed. Corbyn had the most successful leftist platform in British politics for YEARS, and the media, the government, and his own party were 100% laser-focused on bringing him down. Even if we somehow collectively purged everyone right of Corbyn and McDonnell from the party, the media would still utterly monster anyone who ran as leader under those circumstances. eh, if we had collectively purged everyone to the right of corbyn we'd probably have won in 2017. people like strength in their leaders and being owned by your supposed subordinates whatshisface kinnock and tom watson for 5 years is the opposite of strength. maybe we'll never get another chance, maybe we'll get one a year from now. who knows whats gonna happen just break out the popcorn politics is interesting again AWWOOOOO
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Oct 29, 2020 15:08
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They probably won't but if there was ever a time for the SCG to walk, now would be it.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:09
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Every single leftist should leave the labour party and start a party called 'Death to Israel' and see how those loving tory libs like it. Every single lib with those loving triple parathenses ion their twitter name should just have DEATH TO ISRAEL screamed at them 24/7. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 29, 2020 15:10
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Al-Saqr posted:Every single leftist should leave the labour party and start a party called 'Death to Israel' and see how those loving tory libs like it. Ah, the MLK/Malcolm X tactic.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:11
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As the next election approaches Labour will start campaigning for austerity again. Centre-rightists like Starmer loving love austerity and New Labour will be heading back in that direction as the aftereffects of the recession are felt. Labour is loving done for the progressive vote unless the party suffer losses.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:11
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The Labour Party is beyond saving. gently caress it.
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Oct 29, 2020 15:13
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They might campaign left and then just govern right, it's worked very well for starmer up to this point.
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Communist Thoughts posted:Agreed on corbs, I kinda appreciate it though. Might as well bring things to a head now. Corbs is in the position of being a former leader with large media/social media pull. He might just have hit the point where he'd rather be outspoken and use that voice even if it means losing the whip. And if that's the case I don't blame him, even if he's expelled he's still an MP for the next four years. forkboy84 posted:You can't reform the Labour Party. Like, come on now. We didn't do it when we had the leadership & the membership, how on earth do you expect to do it under Keith? They just have to say "antisemitism" & anyone that way inclined on the NEC will be suspended. It's done. We lost. That's not an admission of "hope is a lie", it's accepting reality so we can collectively move on to something else rather than continuing to run headfirst into a fuckoff massive brick wall There are different ways of achieving reform. The Tories were "reformed" into the Brexit party by the threat of UKIP, who then promptly disappeared in a puff of smoke. It might be that we need a strong populist left-wing party to emerge and threaten to push Labour out completely in order to force them to change, but I do think Labour changing is one plank towards a left-wing government. And we absolutely could have reformed the party when we had the leadership, the NEC, the membership and pretty much every other position of power. The fact that we didn't is a massive, massive failing that I think Corbyn himself and others on the left bear some responsibility for.
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I hope all ye quitting Labour are mailing your local reps and CCing HQ to explain why exactly they are poo poo. Probably won't make any difference but at least there might be a speck of catharsis to be gleanedjabby posted:There are different ways of achieving reform. The Tories were "reformed" into the Brexit party by the threat of UKIP, who then promptly disappeared in a puff of smoke. It might be that we need a strong populist left-wing party to emerge and threaten to push Labour out completely in order to force them to change, but I do think Labour changing is one plank towards a left-wing government. This seems to be indicative that by far the most productive avenue to pursue reform would be a leftist agitator party extracting concessions. Or at least that it's the only approach which has a recent successful model to look to. Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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Oct 29, 2020 15:14
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Cant wait to see the comedy gold that pours out from our stellar satire creatives at Have I Got News For You, Spitting Image, Private Eye and so on spin this in fresh, hilarious ways!
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Oct 29, 2020 15:15
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Communist Thoughts posted:eh, if we had collectively purged everyone to the right of corbyn we'd probably have won in 2017. people like strength in their leaders and being owned by your supposed subordinates whatshisface kinnock and tom watson for 5 years is the opposite of strength. Suspending him is a signal to those people that they're not wanted though, so whether that's even possible now idk
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Al-Saqr posted:Every single leftist should leave the labour party and start a party called 'Death to Israel' and see how those loving tory libs like it. My death to journalists party will be a lot more popular though
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forkboy84 posted:You can't reform the Labour Party. Like, come on now. We didn't do it when we had the leadership & the membership, how on earth do you expect to do it under Keith? They just have to say "antisemitism" & anyone that way inclined on the NEC will be suspended. It's done. We lost. That's not an admission of "hope is a lie", it's accepting reality so we can collectively move on to something else rather than continuing to run headfirst into a fuckoff massive brick wall This is also my take. This course of events could honestly be positive if it finally drives it into the British left’s skull that we need something outside of loving Labour and outside of loving parliament. Like how splitting the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks was actually good. Idk, gently caress Keir.
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