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ronya posted:probably, but the "so what's in it for Westminster" question still needs an answer Winning Yorkshire over first with a display of regional pomp and pride gets the rest of the North thinking "hey, why are they special?" so rather than the flop that was the North East assembly, you get the second and third of the planned referendums and your Northumbrian and Transpennine Assemblies that you want.
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Oct 29, 2020 16:56
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pumpinglemma posted:I would vote for Stalin at this point if he promised to put Boris and Keir up against the wall at least five minutes before me. 
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Oct 29, 2020 17:00
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Oct 29, 2020 17:02
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i want to move to bolivia. things it has going for it:socialist government and pure coke
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Oct 29, 2020 17:03
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I don't get what Starmer and co is playing at here. Either: - Lab reckons the left will keep voting for them as the only option that can beat the tories or - Lab reckons they can beat the tories without the left Presumably they have internal data that indicates one of these which is why they're fine with disenfranchising all the new blood corbyn put on the books, but it seems remarkably risky this far from an election to generate so much bad blood
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Oct 29, 2020 17:03
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StarkingBarfish posted:I don't get what Starmer and co is playing at here. Either: Option 3. Starmer is an MI5 stooge put in place as controlled opposition, and to nullify the revolutionary left wing of the party.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:05
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StarkingBarfish posted:I don't get what Starmer and co is playing at here. Either: It's the third option. They prefer fascism to socialism.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:05
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StarkingBarfish posted:I don't get what Starmer and co is playing at here. Either: Gets the school meals off the front pages again, and therefore the need for another robust opposition response to the government's inept handling of it
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Oct 29, 2020 17:05
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Thank you to everyone who replied to me, I've cancelled my Direct Debit and sent them written notice that I've terminated my membership. It doesn't mean I'll never vote Labour again but it's hopefully a droplet of piss in the piss ocean that shows them they can't just take their members for granted. Big thanks to Corbyn for getting me enthused enough to actually join a political organisation, no doubt in an alternate universe where Labour won 2019, he'd probably be locked up in a political prison right now whilst Sensible Yvette Cooper runs the country after he 'mysteriously fell ill and abandoned his political duties'.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:07
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keep punching joe posted:Option 3. Starmer is an MI5 stooge put in place as controlled opposition, and to nullify the revolutionary left wing of the party. ting-a-ling!
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Oct 29, 2020 17:07
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ThomasPaine posted:Yeah but it was the mensheviks splitting (unless I'm misreading your point?) That was a lot earlier than 1917. My point was more that 'nothing will change because of how our electoral system is set up' does ignore the long shot possibility of changing said system by extra-electoral means, i.e. a bunch of Good Lads with Mosin-Nagants. (Does sort of require getting the Army on side mind, a Mosin-Nagant isn't going to help you much against a Challenger 2)
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Oct 29, 2020 17:07
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This thread is the closest to a 'stay and fight' argument that I'm willing to listen to but it's not quite enough for me https://twitter.com/jewdas/status/1321824137522929664
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Oct 29, 2020 17:07
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I'd buy that but this is coming from a faction of the party that wrings their hands about 'electability'... it's easy to dismiss them as preferring a permatory wasteland but they also crave power, even presenting as a softer version of the tories needs votes to come from somewhere other than swing voters
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Oct 29, 2020 17:08
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ThomasPaine posted:I've been generally supportive of playing the long game and staying in Labour but I'm now seriously contemplating how well a splitter party with some high profile left MPs, union money, and a solid strategy would do. It's a hell of a gamble, and failing means handing the tories power for decades at least. Unless the left have resources to buy all of the press it doesn't matter anyway. All this same poo poo will be trotted out. We will not see positive change in the UK while the right-wing press still exists, and without enormous resources (which tend to make people right-wing) or violent revolution, there are no means of changing that.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:09
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I wrote some stuff but what's the point, they've been called cunts plenty. It just burns my loving arse that they can never have enough, they can never win hard enough to be happy. I won't be voting Labour anymore.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:10
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England will not be free until the last LBC presenter is throttled with the last copy of the daily mail.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:11
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WhatEvil posted:Unless the left have resources to buy all of the press it doesn't matter anyway. All this same poo poo will be trotted out. We will not see positive change in the UK while the right-wing press still exists, and without enormous resources (which tend to make people right-wing) or violent revolution, there are no means of changing that.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:11
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Jose posted:i want to move to bolivia. things it has going for it:socialist government and pure coke I wonder why the British never entered the trade like the Dutch did in Java, I bet you couldv'e set some plantations up along the Titiwangsa Range.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:12
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Deketh posted:I wrote some stuff but what's the point, they've been called cunts plenty. It just burns my loving arse that they can never have enough, they can never win hard enough to be happy. Yeah this is what's making me angry. It's the loving indignity, it's the kicking sand in our faces. I long since gave up on the labour party but they can't just have their way, they have to piss on an old man too
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Oct 29, 2020 17:13
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the next electio nis four years away noone is thinking about that election its too far away this is just twisting the knife
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Oct 29, 2020 17:18
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“They didn’t just need to be shown they’d lost, they needed to be shown that the other side won”
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Oct 29, 2020 17:24
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Guavanaut posted:Not the worst idea. taxes on the import of Indian opium to the Malayan peninsula - where the British were permitting vast numbers of Chinese labourers to immigrate, and where said Chinese would consume the opium - provided the bulk of Straits Settlement revenue until WW2
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Oct 29, 2020 17:25
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Gonzo McFee posted:Does that poo poo cartoonist still post? I want to call someone a oval office. Lol y'all went straight for my throat when I said that poster sucked
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Oct 29, 2020 17:26
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Answers Me posted:This thread is the closest to a 'stay and fight' argument that I'm willing to listen to but it's not quite enough for me Yeah i'm relatively optimistic by D&D standards but I don't see a way out of this. Because 1. I'm getting old, by the time we get space communism I will be like 80 and I don't think i'm going to get to 80 and 2. If there's really a bubbling undercurrent of leftism that's going to save the country then where is the outcry now? Even twitter and it's overepresentation of leftists can't overcome the stranglehold the right wing machine has on everything. I don't see how they still won't be too big to overcome in the future. Basically I see everything getting angrier but not better as the younger generation ages. There's going to be more leftists than ever but they still won't achieve anything.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:27
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ronya posted:taxes on the import of Indian opium to the Malayan peninsula - where the British were permitting vast numbers of Chinese labourers to immigrate, and where said Chinese would consume the opium - provided the bulk of Straits Settlement revenue until WW2
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Oct 29, 2020 17:29
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so when the labour canvassers come round next time I'm just gonna collapse to the floor and laugh hysterically while writhing around in a foetal position till the hallway runner just kind of curls up around me and they cautiously back away down the garden path
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Oct 29, 2020 17:29
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fridge corn posted:Lol y'all went straight for my throat when I said that poster sucked Hmmm, yes, that'll be why. fridge corn posted:Well tbf to corbyn he can hardly be expected to attend memorials for every dead terrorist so of course he'd prioritise the terrorists he likes best
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Oct 29, 2020 17:31
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What a shitebag https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1321848197774512128
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Oct 29, 2020 17:34
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feedmegin posted:That was a lot earlier than 1917. My point was more that 'nothing will change because of how our electoral system is set up' does ignore the long shot possibility of changing said system by extra-electoral means, i.e. a bunch of Good Lads with Mosin-Nagants. We can dream. I have been thinking about strategy and I wonder whether extra-electoral and and perhaps extra-legal approaches could be effective in 2020, hypothetically of course. It's difficult to rob banks like the bolsheviks did back in their day, and state power + surveillance is so firmly entrenched. I do think the left needs to take lessons from effective organised crime at the purely pragmatic level, there's a reason those guys manage to succeed. Your point on the army makes me genuinely wonder about the idea of paramilitary organisation on party lines, purely for defensive purposes - as in the black panther model (and yes, like them community work and welfare programmes should be a major part of this). It also fits with some ideas about the leninist idea of the professional revolutionary: with resources, a political party could dedicate finances to paying committed members to take on jobs, including within the forces, and agitate within them free of the fear of being sacked. If they get thrown out they simply get reassigned, and the wages they make from these jobs go back into party coffers. I'm having a lot of thoughts, and I think there's merit behind them, but they all rely on a committed left party with means. I wonder whether the implications might be worth the sacrifice in potential electoral viability under FPTP, at least initially. WhatEvil posted:Unless the left have resources to buy all of the press it doesn't matter anyway. All this same poo poo will be trotted out. We will not see positive change in the UK while the right-wing press still exists, and without enormous resources (which tend to make people right-wing) or violent revolution, there are no means of changing that. The power of the press over individuals is severely curtailed where you literally feed their kids and intimidate their landlord into reducing the rent. ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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Seems it wasn't for want of trying, they just picked somewhere with a less suitable climate.International traffic in coca through the early 20th century, Musto posted:Other European powers also tried production in their colonies but these sites produced no large contributions to the international traffic. The British established plantations on Ceylon (now Sri Lanka), but from 1906 to1911 these produced only an average of 24 000 kg of leaves annually (Walger, 1917). Britain also planted coca in India (Busse, 1898) and Germany tried to grow coca in its African colony, Cameroon (Anonymous,1902), but no other colonial source could match the quality and reliability of the Javanese supply. Dutch got lucky and/or Britain couldn't be bothered to do proper agronomy it seems.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:36
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Guavanaut posted:But it's not like late 19th century British policy ever said "you know what, maybe we're making enough tax revenue without setting up another plantation of a potentially hazardous product to be worked by indentured people" and if the Dutch became aware of it through Surinam, then surely Britain would know of it through Guyana. by the time the Malaya really became populous enough for it, opium was already being suppressed from the metropole anyway - by the 1910s, when the opium trade was suppressed, the continued import of opium was supported by the settlements due to the generated revenues, and India for the (gradually diminishing) employment, over the objections of London. Free ports don't have much other opportunities for duties.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:36
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fridge corn posted:Lol y'all went straight for my throat when I said that poster sucked Excuse me but I'm the one who got told I should be ashamed of myself for calling him just dumb as all gently caress.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:37
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It's interesting that grauniad columnists now feel free to go completely mask off: https://twitter.com/HadleyFreeman/status/1321838826797600768
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Oct 29, 2020 17:39
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StarkingBarfish posted:It's interesting that grauniad columnists now feel free to go completely mask off: 2012 was the happiest years of their lives
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Oct 29, 2020 17:42
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ronya posted:by the time the Malaya really became populous enough for it, opium was already being suppressed from the metropole anyway - by the 1910s, when the opium trade was suppressed, the continued import of opium was supported by the settlements due to the generated revenues, and India for the (gradually diminishing) employment, over the objections of London. Free ports don't have much other opportunities for duties. I'm not suggesting that Britain would be pushing it onto Malaya as a taxable import, more that they'd be establishing mass plantations on the peninsula as a better climate alternative to Sri Lanka when there was the population, and perhaps laborers there would have taken up leaf chewing as a hobby (which on balance would probably be healthier for them than the current methamphetamine problem). Jel Shaker posted:2012 was the happiest years of their lives
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Oct 29, 2020 17:46
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forkboy84 posted:Hmmm, yes, that'll be why. You've gone through my post history but who can say is the more owned?
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Oct 29, 2020 17:53
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Communist Thoughts posted:eh, if we had collectively purged everyone to the right of corbyn we'd probably have won in 2017. people like strength in their leaders and being owned by your supposed subordinates whatshisface kinnock and tom watson for 5 years is the opposite of strength. The absolute worst that would have happened is the papers saying things about him that they were already saying. Julio Cruz posted:there will probably be an “investigation” and then Corbyn will quietly be given the whip back so it doesn’t happen This'll never get to court, remember that as an MI5 asset Keith is allowed to intimidate witnesses and destroy evidence as long as it is in the interests of Also Rachel Riley is trending on twitter, I'm done for today.
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Oct 29, 2020 17:56
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tfw you shite out of having an opinion and the papers still crucify you for it. https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/1321856175202336771
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Dogshit country for dogshit people. I wonder how Iraqis with literal PTSD from looking at the sky feel about lesser evilism.
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