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MrMojok posted:Alright, so this is lame, but baseball is over for the foreseeable future, and I can't think of any reason not to post this. We're just bullshitting here, right? Six years is a long time for a pitcher to be dominant. That kid has a shrewd eye for getting attention but his argument is dumb. Plus if counting stat milestones were easy to rack up in garbage time more people would attain them.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 13:01 |
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You can't just make someone an all-time great based on their six best years, where they won two World Series, and won three Cy Youngs and won a league MVP. lol ok
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 13:09 |
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If you have one not amazing season, you do not belong in the hall of fame. It's not called the "hall of fame for the six seasons where they won two World Series, and won three Cy Youngs and won a league MVP" for a reason.
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bawfuls posted:"during the games"
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 14:33 |
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Kid is dumb as poo poo and this is what happens when you look at a spreadsheet devoid of all context. I know exactly how you get to that argument cause when you glance at his bref page without knowing your history it is a little shocking. He is 89th all time in JAWS! That is way below average for a Hall of Famer *gasp*! It is the same as the Ichiro was overrated argument that gets revived every once in awhile. But dude retired at 30 after a 190 ERA+ season and in the last four years of his career posted 25 bWAR which is 6.5 a season. Pretty stinkin' go--what's that? *checks earpiece* oh sorry, that was 25 WAA over those four years, god drat! I mean, that four year peak is amazing. I mean, Pedro has a better peak, and Johnson does too, but that 4 year stretch is definitely rarified air.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 14:50 |
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speaking of historical dodgers I got into Jackie Robinson stuff last night and decided to fire up an old excel model I made years ago for predicting how hockey players would age, adapted it for baseball, and then reversed it, in order to create a career projection for what JR might've done had he come into the majors as a young lad. It has some flaws: it isn't really tuned for player type, so in JR's case it is probably a bit harsh on both his SB and EBH numbers and maybe a touch favorable on his HRs and BA. It also follows a more traditional career trajectory, which JR certainly didn't have: he wasn't at his best until age 30 for obvious reasons, so there's some wobble there (in other words, why his OPS was higher as a fantasy 27 year old than as an actual 28 year old). I also didn't really check my cells very carefully so I probably made a mistake in there somewhere but the numbers seem plausible. Anyway I can't actually do WAR but my best guess is he would've ended up just a hair behind Hornsby as best ever 2B for career WAR.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 15:23 |
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WEH posted:gently caress ryan braun i'm glad he got cut even if it's probably for covid payroll considerations. call up broxton i don't care at least he's fun He didn't get "cut." It was a mutual $15m option and the Brewers decided to pay him $4m so he could become a free agent and they could "save" $11m. As stated earlier, everyone with an option is getting declined and bought out and there are going to be a hell of a lot of non tenders on arb deals this year. It's going to be an absolute poo poo show.
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I can't believe Ryan Braun is no longer a Brewer, good riddance. 14 years with a team only to get paid to gently caress off, a fitting end.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 15:43 |
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MrMojok posted:I Found this kid on YouTube called THE GOAT MAN. One of his videos is about how Koufax is one of the most overrated pitchers of all time. What's this bullshit there's only one true goat man
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https://twitter.com/yankees/status/1322187437322489857?s=21
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:07 |
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I hope the Dodgers scoop up all these declined options and win again in 21 with a $200 million payroll. gently caress the owners and this dumb league
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:09 |
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Both of the options the Yankees declined are completely unsurprising, this is the second or third time they've done this with Gardner and it's best for everybody that Happ get a change of scenery.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:11 |
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lmao Happ had a 17m vesting option guaranteed with 165 innings or 27 starts. Literally impossible in the year 2020.
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Thom P. Tiers posted:lmao Happ had a 17m vesting option guaranteed with 165 innings or 27 starts. Literally impossible in the year 2020. I'm pretty sure a lot of those were converted down for the shortened season, but Happ didn't reach it Edit: Yeah they did https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/07/mlb-mlbpa-reach-deal-on-vesting-options-roster-bonuses-other-issues.html
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:13 |
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PLEASE DO NOT WRITE ANYTHING ABOUT TEAMS DECLINING OPTIONS ON PLAYERS NAMED "HAPP" UNLESS THE SPECIFY IT IS JA HAPP, RHP, NEW YORK YANKEES THANK YOU
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:14 |
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https://twitter.com/juanctoribio/status/1322198297981853697?s=21 Pirates should bring Charlie home
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Bregor posted:I hope the Dodgers scoop up all these declined options and win again in 21 with a $200 million payroll. gently caress the owners and this dumb league
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GalacticAcid posted:https://twitter.com/juanctoribio/status/1322198297981853697?s=21 Didn't Morton say it was Tampa or retirement at this point? I doubt anybody is going to blow him away with an offer that would change his mind this winter.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:32 |
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Troxartas posted:I'm pretty sure a lot of those were converted down for the shortened season, but Happ didn't reach it Awww haha. Well at least they agreed to that
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:33 |
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Charlie come back to Houston! He turns 37 in two weeks so it wouldn't surprise me if he retires. Certainly no one will be giving him more than a one or two year deal
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:33 |
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Could see the Braves tossing a year at Morton.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:36 |
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That would be a good fit. I expect them to trade for Musgrove too
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:41 |
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Strelok604 posted:The absolute universality of everyone agreeing that the Tony La Russa move is dumb as poo poo is hilarious Hiring Tony La Russa is the dumbest managerial move the White Sox have made since they fired Tony La Russa.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:49 |
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Didn't see this in the thread, Miami picking up StarMart's option, good for them https://www.mlb.com/marlins/news/starling-marte-marlins-option-exercised
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:56 |
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I still don't really see why Houston and Boston bothered firing Hinch and Cora when it was pretty certain they'd be back somewhere else in a year and no one would care by that point. I mean, I do get it, but I don't see why anybody's bothering putting on airs of integrity here in our nation's Post-Shame Era. General Dog fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Oct 30, 2020 |
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disappointed neither of them started a disgruntled twitter account called @fired4cans
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 17:01 |
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General Dog posted:I still don't really see why Houston and Boston bothered firing Hinch and Cora when it was pretty certain they'd be back somewhere else in a year and no one would care by that point. They were literally suspended? I mean I guess they could have paid them money through the suspensions? I dunno.
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General Dog posted:I still don't really see why Houston and Boston bothered firing Hinch and Cora when it was pretty certain they'd be back somewhere else in a year and no one would care by that point. For one thing, are they supposed to tell any potential manager hires they're out the door after a year?
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 18:02 |
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A .150 hitting catcher is not worth $4.5 million so Zunino I can understand at least. Morton though
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General Dog posted:I still don't really see why Houston and Boston bothered firing Hinch and Cora when it was pretty certain they'd be back somewhere else in a year and no one would care by that point. They all get to say some variation of "that's in the past I'm turning over a new leaf here in <CITY> looking forward to building a winner with this great group"
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 18:32 |
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I could see nobody offering Morton a contract this off-season because collusion is incoming and hes like 37
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 18:37 |
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General Dog posted:I still don't really see why Houston and Boston bothered firing Hinch and Cora when it was pretty certain they'd be back somewhere else in a year and no one would care by that point. Cora resigned iirc which is why he's considered the favorite for the Boston job now.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 18:38 |
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https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1322233040777682945?s=21
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 18:46 |
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Jedd Gyorko declined for a whole $3.5m in savings. 121 OPS+ last season in 135 PA's.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 18:50 |
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David Roth, as ever worth the read: https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1322227561670365185?s=20
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Thom P. Tiers posted:Jedd Gyorko declined for a whole $3.5m in savings. 121 OPS+ last season in 135 PA's. Look, there were losses last year. Losses! We can't just... pay players! If anything, they should just be happy we're going to have a season next year at all! They should just be grateful for that, and play for free!
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 18:53 |
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Troxartas posted:I'm pretty sure a lot of those were converted down for the shortened season, but Happ didn't reach it He didn't reach it because they manipulated his starts so he didn't. Shady AF.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 18:55 |
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Happ is gone, praise be!
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 19:01 |
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elentar posted:David Roth, as ever worth the read: I was just thinking "how many 'player looking off forlornly as the header image while we lament contracts and contract offers' articles do we get this offseason?" And we are already at 1
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https://twitter.com/timbhealey/status/1322240853264531458?s=21
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