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it's hard to tell from the archaeological record but (intentional) fire almost certainly predates homo sapiens
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Fire obviously predates humans lol  look at the sun lol read a book
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there is only pre-agrarian, and agrarian
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Jazerus posted:there is only pre-agrarian, and agrarian That distinction is complicated by the mesolithic hobby agrarian.
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Jazerus posted:there is only pre-agrarian, and agrarian That wasn't binary but a continuum, varying across time and space. Some people went back and forth between the two more than once. Some people are still pre-agrarian
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cheetah7071 posted:it's hard to tell from the archaeological record but (intentional) fire almost certainly predates homo sapiens Ah, I see another person who studies BIG HISTORY (tm), now we're talking on the right time scale.
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galagazombie posted:That's why I said "Arbitrary and more for convenience than fact". Just that Western Historiography loved those two dates as the dividing points. Even though that way of looking things is no longer taken as gospel by serious historians, it still holds massive weight, even unconsciously, on how people in the West view history. Does it, though? Those particular dates have never been as universally accepted as you seem to think, is my point.
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Gaius Marius posted:Fire obviously predates humans lol We cannot and should not tolerate any competition for man's dominance of the solar system, and it is for this reason we must endeavor to destroy the sun.
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Communist Walrus posted:We cannot and should not tolerate any competition for man's dominance of the solar system, and it is for this reason we must endeavor to destroy the sun. No you go too far. The sun is lazy, it lacks discipline. We must build a dyson sphere and put the sun to work. Teaching it the value of honest labor. It is our duty, our burden.
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In it, voted 5.
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Fuschia tude posted:That wasn't binary but a continuum, varying across time and space. Some people went back and forth between the two more than once. Some people are still pre-agrarian There are some people who've never lived in Constantinople, yet they live in the modern era
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sullat posted:So many eurocentric dates. Ancient history period would end with the fall of the Tang. Applying the "ancient"/"medieval" distinction to Chinese history is a bit odd, since there were multiple periods of medieval/modern-style disunity (Warring States, Three Kingdoms, Sixteen Kingdoms, Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms). A Google search suggests that in a pop-history context, "medieval China" generally begins with the fall of the Han rather than the Tang, perhaps because the Han, unlike the Tang, overlapped chronologically with the Western Roman Empire. The really interesting question is where "ancient" ends and "medieval" begins in Indian history.
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Modern history begins with sliced bread which was the greatest thing since the wheel.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Modern history begins with sliced bread which was the greatest thing since the wheel. 
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Anyone who remembers how ppl dressed in the 80's cannot possibly believe the modern time started anywhere before 1991
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Anyone who has seen anything lately cannot possibly believe the modern time has started.
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Silver2195 posted:Applying the "ancient"/"medieval" distinction to Chinese history is a bit odd, since there were multiple periods of medieval/modern-style disunity (Warring States, Three Kingdoms, Sixteen Kingdoms, Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms). A Google search suggests that in a pop-history context, "medieval China" generally begins with the fall of the Han rather than the Tang, perhaps because the Han, unlike the Tang, overlapped chronologically with the Western Roman Empire. Is it just confirmation bias or is Chinese Historiography overly fond of naming things in numbered groups? Three Kingdoms, Four Books and Five Classics etc. While every culture will have things named like this I feel like China takes it to a whole new level.
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Any thoughts on this Lindybeige video on spears? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afqhBODc_8U The primary message is that in an open field, 2-handed spears are pretty dominant in a variety of situations from mass infantry to small skirmishes, they are superior to sword and shield or big sword or anything else. Spear and shield on the other hand is mediocre in small skirmishes, as soon as someone with a shield can get past their spear they are hosed untilthey pull out their backup sword/axe). Instead, spear and shield excels in mass infantry blocks, where you can force the guy in front of you to pay attention, while the guy next to you is the one who deals the killing blow. Also, using spears overhand is a bad idea.
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Communist Walrus posted:We cannot and should not tolerate any competition for man's dominance of the solar system, and it is for this reason we must endeavor to destroy the sun. Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun. Phobophilia posted:Any thoughts on this Lindybeige video on spears? Pretty sure can I hear HEY GUNS screaming a series of obscenities from thousands of miles away.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun. This one is based on actual observed things, not his own half baked ideas, plus its stuff that matt easton did, and Lloyd is just relaying it.
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youd think the pikeperson would be thrilled at how well big spears are talked up in that vid
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galagazombie posted:Is it just confirmation bias or is Chinese Historiography overly fond of naming things in numbered groups? Three Kingdoms, Four Books and Five Classics etc. While every culture will have things named like this I feel like China takes it to a whole new level. Don't forget the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors, the Five Barbarians, the War of the Eight Princes, and the Rebellion of the Seven States.
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Nov 1, 2020 02:58
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And the Revolts of the Three Guards and Three Feudatories
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It's largely because Chinese doesn't have a generic plural. You literally can't say War of the Princes, you have to specify a number. Korean is similar, they do have a generic plural but it's barely used, they mostly do specific numbers. I believe Japanese is the same as Korean but have never studied it.
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Articles and the distinction between proper nouns and common nouns also don't exist in Chinese. If you were to try to directly translate "The Great Lakes" it comes out "Great Lake" or even "Big Lake" which could refer to any number of things. "Five Great Lakes" is a simple way to establish that you're talking about a region in North America.
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How do you deal with puralisation when the number of the plural subject is unknown in Chinese then?
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Nothingtoseehere posted:How do you deal with puralisation when the number of the plural subject is unknown in Chinese then? Dunno about in Chinese, but I assume it's the same in Japanese where there are specific characters to indicate pluralization. E.g. (in Japanese): 組, 達, 等. https://jisho.org/ if you want to look those up.
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Stringent posted:Dunno about in Chinese, but I assume it's the same in Japanese where there are specific characters to indicate pluralization. E.g. (in Japanese): 組, 達, 等. Yes, counting classifiers
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Current times started in the 30s and will be called the fascistische period
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Miss Broccoli posted:Current times started in
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poo poo I forgot how early ya boi was and couldn't be bothered to google for a shitpost but dang he had a whole extra decade and still hosed it up
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gabriele d'annunzio  Also 1517 is when the first conquistador (de Córdoba) lands on the mexican mainland, which might be what that poster was referring to. Ponce de León got to Florida first but the mexican business is what really mattered.
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No, the ruling seat of the Western Empire just shifted from Vienna back to Rome.
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Vienna is obviously in the eastern empire as it's in a country literally called Eastern State
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Was listening to the local Catholic Radio station in the car this morning. The priest was giving a sermon on how the United States are a revolutionary republic whose roots trace back to Henry the 8th's rejection of the Catholic Church. Which means that the American revolution, like all revolutions, ignores the authorities that have been ordained by God and is obviously not a Godly or Christian nation. It was a little disconcerting to hear monarchism being promoted the day before the presidential election. I suppose this means that the New Rome is the Old Rome as the Church is the only remaining continuous institution from ancient times.
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PeterCat posted:I suppose this means that the New Rome is the Old Rome as the Church is the only remaining continuous institution from ancient times. Fornication is the oldest institution.
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Arglebargle III posted:Fornication is the oldest institution. We’ve been doing it as long as we’ve been doing it?
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PeterCat posted:Was listening to the local Catholic Radio station in the car this morning. The priest was giving a sermon on how the United States are a revolutionary republic whose roots trace back to Henry the 8th's rejection of the Catholic Church. Which means that the American revolution, like all revolutions, ignores the authorities that have been ordained by God and is obviously not a Godly or Christian nation. Last heir to the Roman Empire died in New York in like 2010, I think that means Cuomo is the current Roman Emperor.
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sullat posted:Last heir to the Roman Empire died in New York in like 2010, I think that means Cuomo is the current Roman Emperor. The House of Osman is extant though 
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The House of Romanov is extant though
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