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Not downplaying any other fantastic roguelikes, but Cogmind is such a hugely deep and lovingly created work of art. I've never persisted for so long in trying to get a game to "click" purely out of love of the concept and deep respect for the execution. Especially when I see the lone developer pumping out update after update and posting four hour long gameplay videos.
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Oct 30, 2020 23:48
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Rappaport posted:You can turn into a bee in Nethack, but it's not permanent and also probably wouldn't be all that interesting to play as. There's a tool-assisted speedrun of NetHack that, among other things, slaughters its way through the Castle by using a queen bee's poisoned stinger to one-shot everyone. Though before it does that, first it has to create a colossal amount of negative gold to solve the fact that the bee's carrying capacity is best described as "pathetic".
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Oct 30, 2020 23:56
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Yea, he's said that he'll continue to develop Cogmind indefinitely as long as the patron money keeps coming in. I remember him posting about being able to finally make it his proper day-job. (This is great and all, but I really think he should push 1.0 out on steam because people are missing out)
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Oct 30, 2020 23:58
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Magitek posted:Guys, quick, this is important: Are there any Roguelikes where you play as/have the option to play as a bee? In Caves of Qud you can be the host to a Portable Beehive.
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Oct 31, 2020 07:54
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Do Tome addons from the site update automatically or do I need to redownload everything?
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Oct 31, 2020 11:59
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Magitek posted:Guys, quick, this is important: Are there any Roguelikes where you play as/have the option to play as a bee? There's a kind of Beemancer in Mad Jack's game, isn't there?
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Oct 31, 2020 13:02
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I know the dev has said it's not doable, for some reason, but I strongly think that Cogmind would benefit from having all the special modes selectable from an in-game menu. Editing Steam launch configurations doesn't feel good and looking up the different options is just enough of a hassle that I simply leave it on RPGlike mode all the time.
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Oct 31, 2020 16:04
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:In Caves of Qud you can be the host to a Portable Beehive. snagged one of these at the Stilt early my current run and it's been a lifesaver
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Oct 31, 2020 16:43
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bees x1000 posted:I know the dev has said it's not doable, for some reason, but I strongly think that Cogmind would benefit from having all the special modes selectable from an in-game menu. Editing Steam launch configurations doesn't feel good and looking up the different options is just enough of a hassle that I simply leave it on RPGlike mode all the time. Yeah, it feels kind of weird to have these super high-effort, fleshed out alternate modes that'd you'd never even know existed without looking it up online.
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Oct 31, 2020 16:46
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bees x1000 posted:I know the dev has said it's not doable, for some reason, but I strongly think that Cogmind would benefit from having all the special modes selectable from an in-game menu. Editing Steam launch configurations doesn't feel good and looking up the different options is just enough of a hassle that I simply leave it on RPGlike mode all the time. From what I remember it's doable, he just doesn't want to change the way the game immediately starts you into a new run
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Oct 31, 2020 17:12
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Ok, there's an understandable positive, but I don't believe it's worth the negatives.
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Oct 31, 2020 17:32
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The way Noita handled it for a long time was that you got dumped into a new run on launch, but you could pause and choose to play a different mode from there if you wanted, which would re-launch the game with the appropriate settings applied.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:02
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That would work, especially if you could choose the default launch mode.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:20
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Could even put the mode selection in a terminal that spawns in the initial safe zone when a run starts. Like you're hacking the game or something.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:52
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:In Caves of Qud you can be the host to a Portable Beehive. You can also play a character with wings and a stinger and a carapace if you want.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:57
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be your own bee
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Oct 31, 2020 18:57
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Unormal posted:You can also play a character with wings and a stinger and a carapace if you want. Can you set your wings to be insect-like rather than feathered or leathery? I remember a recent patch did that for horns, but I'm not sure if it covered wings.
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Oct 31, 2020 18:59
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Qud bee people who drink honey instead of water when
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Oct 31, 2020 19:23
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Awesome! posted:be your own bee https://youtu.be/JWg99iUmsA4
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Robo Reagan posted:Do Tome addons from the site update automatically or do I need to redownload everything? I've never in however many years (I had a te4.org account before it was even on steam) had to manually update an add on for ToME, so you should be good. Given 1.7 has been in beta for a while, I think most of the modders have already updated their stuff.
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Nov 1, 2020 05:10
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Wildtortilla posted:So I'm playing Tangledeep. Just ran through a wanderer's journey/story thing and I'm back at the camp with a sweet relic sword as my reward. Except I'm all in on fists. I can't deposit it in my bank, despite the bank not being full and having twice the required deposit fee. 
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Nov 1, 2020 14:14
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I don't know but there is a Tangledeep thread and I figure while the devs certainly read this thread they're even more likely to read that one, that's all I got for ya I posted on Reddit and the dev responded almost immediately. He's pushing a new patch for Switch soon that might help me. In the mean time I'm playing Mario Odyssey and Dark Souls. I need a palette cleanse after almost six months of roguelikes exclusively.
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Nov 1, 2020 16:14
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I am a lazy gamer and I really like the autoexplore in DCSS. Are there other roguelikes with a similar system where the movement can be automated, but everything else can be done manually?
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Nov 1, 2020 17:00
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Chas McGill posted:I am a lazy gamer and I really like the autoexplore in DCSS. Are there other roguelikes with a similar system where the movement can be automated, but everything else can be done manually? ToME and Dungeonmans. Every roguelike should have autoexplore. 
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Nov 1, 2020 17:02
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Nov 1, 2020 17:08
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Qud has autoexplore but it's not optimized for area revelation so you'll end up running back and forth from side to side of the map repeatedly until you uncover all the tiles one by one.
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Nov 1, 2020 17:14
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Jack Trades posted:ToME and Dungeonmans. Dungeonmans has "auto move to discovered stairs" but it explicitly does not have a TOME/Crawl style auto explore. (I agree with the second sentence too but I remember MadJack having his reasons and DMans is Still Great).
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Nov 1, 2020 17:46
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imo, autoexplore is a sign a roguelike has too much empty space. like, nethack doesn't have autoexplore, but because the floors are less than a quarter of the size of the ones in DCSS, that isn't really a problem.
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Nov 1, 2020 17:59
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I don't think DCSS has too much space, the dungeon levels are just the right balance for progression and challenge, it's just autoexplore helps to speed up your run and hit decision points quickly once you know what you're doing. Autoexplore is good, but unfortunately it's not present in games like Angband where level size and quantity really is tedium, despite best efforts to whittle it down over the years.
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Nov 1, 2020 18:17
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It's not just a sign of empty space, but also that the game doesn't reward decision making in the absence of obvious threats. Like, in Dungeonmans, you may want to put some banners down pre-emptively, before you see an enemy, so that you don't have to spend turns on casting the banners while there's something attacking you. Or you might use the scroll that reveals enemies on the map, keep an eye on said map as you explore so you know when a group has peeled off and is homing in on your position, and choose your battleground accordingly. Neither of these things is necessarily mandatory to beat the game, but they can give you an advantage when done at the right time, at the cost of using resources (monster detection scrolls in particular are much too rare to use on every level). Getting a leg up can turn a difficult encounter into a much more straightforward one, or an impossible encounter into one that's merely difficult. EDIT: perc2 posted:I don't think DCSS has too much space, the dungeon levels are just the right balance for progression and challenge, it's just autoexplore helps to speed up your run and hit decision points quickly once you know what you're doing. Autoexplore is good, but unfortunately it's not present in games like Angband where level size and quantity really is tedium, despite best efforts to whittle it down over the years. Yeah, see, this is what I'm talking about. You cannot implement autoexplore in Angband, full stop, without completely changing what kind of game it is. Angband is a game about creeping around in an immensely dangerous dungeon where most of the enemies can kill you trivially if you don't approach in the right fashion (or oftentimes don't approach at all!). Blundering around the dungeon at the whims of a simplistic AI will get you killed. Autoexplore is good for games that are designed with autoexplore in mind. It is not appropriate for all games, and people extolling its virtues are the roguelike equivalent of players asking for every game to have multiplayer. TooMuchAbstraction fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Nov 1, 2020 |
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Nov 1, 2020 18:18
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perc2 posted:I don't think DCSS has too much space, the dungeon levels are just the right balance for progression and challenge, it's just autoexplore helps to speed up your run and hit decision points quickly once you know what you're doing. Autoexplore is good, but unfortunately it's not present in games like Angband where level size and quantity really is tedium, despite best efforts to whittle it down over the years.
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Nov 1, 2020 18:28
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Yep, if your game has an autoexplore feature and it's even considered 'good', then you have a problem in your design of the game. If the reason people really play the game is combat, loot and progression, and not exploration/immersion, the game would be better as a series of encounters, like Slay the Spire o Darkest Dungeon. Or at least make smaller areas.
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Nov 1, 2020 18:34
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Elephant Parade posted:See, I think that there shouldn't be a large enough gap between decision points for a way to quickly skip from one to the next to be necessary. That's what I mean by "empty space". DCSS needs to give the player space so they can maneuver tactically, teleport with a degree of safety, etc. The dungeons floors are still sufficiently compact and feature-rich. It's not a problem, and autoexplore isn't fixing any "problem", it's complementing the design and streamlining. Nobody thinks DCSS dungeon size and features are its weak point. It's a good observation that "autoexplore is a crutch" but you can't just throw it at everything.
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Nov 1, 2020 18:40
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Autoexplore is good for games that are designed with autoexplore in mind. It is not appropriate for all games, and people extolling its virtues are the roguelike equivalent of players asking for every game to have multiplayer. It's absolutely not the same as "asking for every game to have multiplayer", and you might want to check the logic in your argument since you have just extolled its virtues by saying it has positive virtues in the previous sentence.
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Nov 1, 2020 18:44
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Set your travel/explore speed to -1 and it all happens instantaneously, jumping you from fight to fight. Then you get to use the space to play around in. Being able to play stupidly fast like that is one of the things I still like about the game.
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Nov 1, 2020 19:07
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perc2 posted:It's absolutely not the same as "asking for every game to have multiplayer", and you might want to check the logic in your argument since you have just extolled its virtues by saying it has positive virtues in the previous sentence. Multiplayer has virtues, but that doesn't mean that every game should have multiplayer. By the same token, autoexplore has virtues, but that doesn't mean that every game should have autoexplore. You're perfectly free to only play games that have autoexplore. Have at it! I'm glad you're having fun! But when you say a game like Angband should have autoexplore, you're betraying a fairly fundamental misapprehension of what kind of game Angband is.
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Nov 1, 2020 19:53
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im going to auto explore this thread until i run into a good post again, smirk smirk
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Nov 1, 2020 19:58
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I would like to say that TOME would be virtually unplayable to me without autoexplore, manually walking around those dungeon levels is such a chore
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I'm getting a weird sense of nostalgia playing TOME4 blasting through the early game only to absolutely eat poo poo to Urkis.
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