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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Can’t believe Beto said a swear, epic cringe

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smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

Beto is operating a massive GOTV with a focus on minority neighborhoods, he's doing fine, we can all leave him alone.

Bioshuffle
Feb 10, 2011

No good deed goes unpunished

smoobles posted:

Beto is operating a massive GOTV with a focus on minority neighborhoods, he's doing fine, we can all leave him alone.

I love the fact that his bumper stickers act as a beacon that whoever owns the car will have a similar take on politics.

Saw it on my new neighbor's car and sighed a sigh of relief.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://mobile.twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1323272815781552128

I didn’t know I couldn’t do that

mastajake
Oct 3, 2005

My blade is unBENDING!

Nah, Beto ran a flawless senate campaign. Texas was just not ready for him. His presidential campaign was doomed from the start, though. The gun and cursing thing were a failed ploy to stay relevant. He should have never listened to the siren calls to make a presidential run, but here we are. It's possible (though still unlikely) he would have won against Cornyn this year, but at least the best thing he did (energizing voters in 2018 and getting chudges out of Harris co., etc.) is less necessary this cycle (cause people are energized anyway), and he's actually been helping out the last month too.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Bioshuffle posted:

This post illustrates my point. They're stereotyped and attacked. The truth is most Trump voters are middle class boomers. Both of my parents are voting for him and so is everyone attending their church. My dad drives a Tesla, and not a 4x4. They wear masks when they're in public.

I stand by my point. Majority of Trump supporters aren't part of the Y'all Qaeda movement.

We have had record turn outs, but it'll be interesting to see if it will be enough to flip the state.

'you don't get it, my parents are supporting trump, they can't be selfish boomer assholes, ergo the shy trump voter that's never been proven as true must actually be true'.

Like, poo poo dude I don't even think we'll go proper blue state this election but the whole 'what about the shy trump voters' has been disproven tons of ways.

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


When are we expecting this ruling on the drive through votes?

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

sexpig by night posted:

'you don't get it, my parents are supporting trump, they can't be selfish boomer assholes, ergo the shy trump voter that's never been proven as true must actually be true'.

Like, poo poo dude I don't even think we'll go proper blue state this election but the whole 'what about the shy trump voters' has been disproven tons of ways.

The dude you are replying to is a straight up troll, in the classic, “saying fake bullshit to stir up poo poo” sense. I'd implore my friends here to ignore him.

Indeed he is a Calm Hitlerer

Bioshuffle
Feb 10, 2011

No good deed goes unpunished

sexpig by night posted:

they can't be selfish boomer assholes

I never said they weren't selfish boomer assholes. I was just pointing out not all Trump supporters are outspoken maniacs who drive around on highways trying to Mad Max the Biden bus.

Here's an article about the "shy Trump voter" phenomenon. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/10/29/2020-polls-trump-biden-prediction-accurate-2016-433619

Bioshuffle fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Nov 2, 2020

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'




Bit different response than what cops do with BLM protests.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1323283153805484032

My man cannot let this go

Bioshuffle
Feb 10, 2011

No good deed goes unpunished


They are on camera ramming one of the Biden supporter's vehicles. I can't believe we may get four more years of a president who is advocating for literal domestic terrorists. What a timeline.

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

Bioshuffle posted:

I never said they weren't selfish boomer assholes. I was just pointing out not all Trump supporters are outspoken maniacs who drive around on highways trying to Mad Max the Biden bus.

They're still lovely people that need to be outnumbered, not coddled. Look at Harris County for a blueprint on what needs to be done across the country.

Bioshuffle
Feb 10, 2011

No good deed goes unpunished

saintonan posted:

They're still lovely people that need to be outnumbered, not coddled. Look at Harris County for a blueprint on what needs to be done across the country.

Are you talking about the blatant voter suppression in the form of limiting ballot boxes? I did mail in voting this year, and I am really pissed off that Texas is one of a handful of states that don't offer ballot tracking.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Shifty Pony posted:



Bit different response than what cops do with BLM protests.

Defund the police - wait we did that already

ReidRansom posted:

When are we expecting this ruling on the drive through votes?

https://twitter.com/jsmccullou/status/1323288705411485697

zoux fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Nov 2, 2020

saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

Bioshuffle posted:

Are you talking about the blatant voter suppression in the form of limiting ballot boxes? I did mail in voting this year, and I am really pissed off that Texas is one of a handful of states that don't offer ballot tracking.

Harris County massively increased its budget for running elections, from like $4 million to $31 million. As a result, they're able to have huge, well run early voting sites, including a few 24-hour sites during the last week of the early voting sites. As you'd expect, turnout has been massive, with thousands of people voting that never voted before in their lives. I'm sure some aspect of that motivation is Trump, but general campaigns to increase voting, especially to infrequent voters, has been nothing short of an unqualified success, and needs to be copied in cities everywhere across the country.

No Safe Word
Feb 26, 2005

saintonan posted:

Harris County massively increased its budget for running elections, from like $4 million to $31 million. As a result, they're able to have huge, well run early voting sites, including a few 24-hour sites during the last week of the early voting sites. As you'd expect, turnout has been massive, with thousands of people voting that never voted before in their lives. I'm sure some aspect of that motivation is Trump, but general campaigns to increase voting, especially to infrequent voters, has been nothing short of an unqualified success, and needs to be copied in cities everywhere across the country.

All of this, by the way, was at least partially caused by Beto's run increasing turnout enough to get the local Harris County folks elected (like Hidalgo, and ousting Stan Stanart)

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Yall are gonna want to sit down for this one

https://twitter.com/zachdespart/status/1323291894135271424

Comrayn
Jul 22, 2008
Lines were insane around Houston for the primary though. Either they learned a lot from that or it was malice pick whatever fits your views! Politics!

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

No Safe Word posted:

All of this, by the way, was at least partially caused by Beto's run increasing turnout enough to get the local Harris County folks elected (like Hidalgo, and ousting Stan Stanart)

Yeah. It’s very popular to trash Beto in D&D for making an ill advised Presidential run, but his run against Cruz set the stage for where the Texas race is now. He energized and got a ton of voters registered, and despite losing had a ton of coattails helping many local downballot candidates to win, with big knock on effects for election access around the state. It’s been a huge net positive.

Mistaken Frisbee
Jul 19, 2007

zoux posted:

Ugh how many IGs has this appeared on

This was a League of Women Voters Austin Area project for GOTV, so I'm just gonna say it's great.

Charlz Guybon posted:

Didn't Obama encourage him? Hard to resist the previous two President from your party telling you to give it a shot.

If Texas flips he might make a good head of the DNC.

I always say this, too many people, including higher ups, were pushing Beto to run for President, then the same folks acted like he ran with no encouragement when he failed. It was a bad idea, but it wasn't his bad idea alone.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Zwabu posted:

Yeah. It’s very popular to trash Beto in D&D for making an ill advised Presidential run, but his run against Cruz set the stage for where the Texas race is now. He energized and got a ton of voters registered, and despite losing had a ton of coattails helping many local downballot candidates to win, with big knock on effects for election access around the state. It’s been a huge net positive.

But...he couldn't even beat the dastard Ted Cruz

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Bioshuffle posted:

They are on camera ramming one of the Biden supporter's vehicles. I can't believe we may get four more years of a president who is advocating for literal domestic terrorists. What a timeline.

Please.

He was advocating domestic terrorists before he ever took office.

There's weird things to explore about people being shy about their political views on issues or whatever, but Trump has literally become the figurehead for a movement bent on demolishing what's left of American democracy. They've built up a framework of justification by conjuring mostly fictional atrocities of their enemies. They're relying on a broader contingency of people who have the lies and truths cancel out and mostly just care about something a lesser degree of evil like tax cuts for the wealthy or another incremental decrease of freedoms for women or minorities.

Mistaken Frisbee posted:

I always say this, too many people, including higher ups, were pushing Beto to run for President, then the same folks acted like he ran with no encouragement when he failed. It was a bad idea, but it wasn't his bad idea alone.

The democrats put out a call for candidates because the person who had spent forever trying to lay the groundwork for a presidency failed miserably after finally getting a shot, and then they shitcanned everybody they called up because they were too terrified of Bernie.

I really have no idea what the party leadership is like, who made whatever backroom deals to get half the candidates to pull out on the race in favor of the fourth runner-up, but it's lovely and counterproductive.

smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

The 100k ballots hearing started a few minutes ago, anyone know if there's a way to listen in?

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1323304926005452801?s=20

Please remember!

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


smoobles posted:

The 100k ballots hearing started a few minutes ago, anyone know if there's a way to listen in?

I found reference to some call-in number, but inconveniently the actual number to call isn't mentioned.

https://twitter.com/elizTrovall/status/1323299827602673664

e:
also it apparently kicked everyone who was on

https://twitter.com/elizTrovall/status/1323307122109632513

IT BURNS
Nov 19, 2012

Bioshuffle posted:

This post illustrates my point. They're stereotyped and attacked. The truth is most Trump voters are middle class boomers. Both of my parents are voting for him and so is everyone attending their church. My dad drives a Tesla, and not a 4x4. They wear masks when they're in public.

I stand by my point. Majority of Trump supporters aren't part of the Y'all Qaeda movement.

We have had record turn outs, but it'll be interesting to see if it will be enough to flip the state.

Michael Moore said the same thing in a recent interview - many Trump supporters are middle-class conservatives who doubly don't respond to polls because they don't trust the process or think that the polls are a tool of the deep state.

The virus numbers in the Valley are way down, only a handful of deaths per day and on average about 150-200 infections. El Paso is suffering now what we went through in July.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

smoobles posted:

The 100k ballots hearing started a few minutes ago, anyone know if there's a way to listen in?
No need. Crossposting from Polliwonks:

eke out posted:

btw that federal case the doomposters kept saying was going to result in republicans throwing out the vote...

https://twitter.com/ErnestScheyder/status/1323311106539085824

doesn't appear to be going well for the republicans

(not to spoil things but usually win a judge says things like that, unless you've got the recording of someone saying "We must destroy the Republican Party via curbside voting" you lose)

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://mobile.twitter.com/ErnestScheyder/status/1323311106539085824

Don't sound good for Hotze and the boys

b0ng
Jan 16, 2004

Thats a nice Game 7 you have there. Would be a shame if somebody nailed it down.
https://twitter.com/zachdespart/status/1323316136440696837?s=21

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations

IT BURNS posted:

Michael Moore said the same thing in a recent interview - many Trump supporters are middle-class conservatives who doubly don't respond to polls because they don't trust the process or think that the polls are a tool of the deep state.

The virus numbers in the Valley are way down, only a handful of deaths per day and on average about 150-200 infections. El Paso is suffering now what we went through in July.

Michael Moore also said the Dems were going to do poorly in the midterms.

Wax Dynasty
Jan 1, 2013

This postseason, I've really enjoyed bringing back the three-inning save.


Hell Gem
There is no evidence that there is a meaningful "shy Trump" vote that is suppressing his poll numbers. Anecdotes about your parents are just that.

As for Beto, he got unlucky. In 2016 if you'd told people that Cornyn would be a softer target then Cruz, no one would have believed you. And if he'd run back to back and still lost (as MJ Hegar likely will) he'd be tarred forever as a two-time loser. At least now, if Biden wins here, Beto gets some credit and a possible executive post.

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

hasta que la muerte nos separe
Many Trump supporters are "middle class boomers" yeah. Sure. But if cornered or in the right situation (usually just when they assume you are like-minded) they will pull the mask off.

I'm a generic looking white guy in a very conservative part of the state in a conservative profession and I can't tell you how many times I have heard, otherwise average looking, people come out and say some truly vile poo poo.

There were plenty of "middle class boomers" that voted for Trump in 20116 that aren't Y'all Queda, but those people are gone. In 2016 you could (though I personally disagree about this) ignore the racist, sexist, etc. poo poo from Trump and be voting against HRC or for tax cuts or whatever generic Republican reason.

If you're voting for Trump in 2020 you're a true blue MAGA cultist bar none.

Bioshuffle
Feb 10, 2011

No good deed goes unpunished

Pobrecito posted:

Many Trump supporters are "middle class boomers" yeah. Sure.
This is the point I was making. Not all Trump supporters will have flags in their trucks.

quote:

But if cornered or in the right situation (usually just when they assume you are like-minded) they will pull the mask off.

I'm a generic looking white guy in a very conservative part of the state in a conservative profession and I can't tell you how many times I have heard, otherwise average looking, people come out and say some truly vile poo poo.
In my experience, I've seen this happen on both sides. If you want some real vile poo poo, look no further than the comment section on videos of people getting physically assaulted for wearing a MAGA hat. Look at the number of people who are stealing and vandalizing Trump signs.

It doesn't matter which candidate you are supporting. People who advocate theft and violence belong in the same class of idiots as the domestic terrorists who tried to run the Biden bus off of the road.

In addition, Trump supporters aren't the only ones ignoring masks. In fact, I posted a video a while back, of BLM protestors crowding a ballot box drop off without wearing masks and yelling loudly. That would terrify me. Isn't that the textbook definition of voter intimidation?

I'm not saying any of your points are without validity, but I think it's important to assess the situation from an unbiased perspective, and realize there are extremists on both ends of the spectrum. The majority of voters (aka the ones who will make a difference in this election) are going to be boring suburban dwelling middle class boomers. They're the ones who need to be convinced to vote for the other ticket, but yelling at them and accusing them of being white supremacists is not the way to do it.

I did find the voter turn out map that was posted earlier interesting though. It will be interesting to see what happens on election day.

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bird cooch
Jan 19, 2007
That's a hell of a whattabout

shades of blue
Sep 27, 2012
There is literally no difference between racists beating the poo poo out of black people for being black and antiracists beating the poo poo out of racists, actually.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I loving told y'all, please have some loving forebearance

Seven Hundred Bee
Nov 1, 2006

Bioshuffle posted:

I'm not saying any of your points are without validity, but I think it's important to assess the situation from an unbiased perspective, and realize there are extremists on both ends of the spectrum. The majority of voters (aka the ones who will make a difference in this election) are going to be boring suburban dwelling middle class boomers. They're the ones who need to be convinced to vote for the other ticket, but yelling at them and accusing them of being white supremacists is not the way to do it.

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Please don't paraphrase Trump's Charlottesville speech, thank you.

(IK note: that post has been queued up for a harsher punishment as well).

Seven Hundred Bee fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Nov 2, 2020

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



honestly i thought there were no Unironic Trump Voters left in dnd

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Blotto_Otter
Aug 16, 2013


Update from the San Marcos PD on the Biden bus incident: we were too busy to provide a police escort, and also the F-150s covered in Trump flags are the real victims here

https://twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1323334315741188097

e: also I'm trying to follow the Harris County drive-in vote hearing on Twitter but it's very confused because apparently the press can only listen in over a phone being held up against a speaker. People in my timeline seem to think the judge is leaning against tossing out existing votes, but towards shutting down any drive-in locations during tomorrow's voting.

Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Nov 2, 2020

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