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Ha, the dreadnought said the thing, now I can post this: edit: Shamefull snype. "Even in death, I still surf"
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that is far from a shameful snipe. own it!
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 Episode 6: Into the Maw Here we go, the very-much-over-an-hour-episode episode, because the Eldar just had to put 100 webway gates into one perilous mountainside. But it's a good chance to talk about the Eldar, or the Aeldari as they've now become. We cover some of the stuff already covered here in the thread and then some so please enjoy as we knock down some Eldar off their pegs and Isador continues his downward slide out of the Emperor's light.
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If you want the "True Dawn of War" experience, then spending over an hour combing the map hunting for those stupid loving cloaked Eldar buildings is a part of that.
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This is really a podcast episode. We spend an hour talking about lore, especially Eldar lore, and poo poo blows up in the background as a reward for staying interested. And, for those of you waiting for it: No, I don't lose my temper about Eldar this episode. You have to wait for Ep 7 for that.
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90% of LPs I watch, I treat as podcasts  as such, i dig the extended lore chat
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Sally posted:90% of LPs I watch, I treat as podcasts Same, I usually sling up a video on my second monitor and lets it play there as I do other things. Edit 1: Also I think it's pronounced Kay-dia and not Ca-dia. Edit 2:  The name change isn't for copyright purposes as it turns out but search engine optimization apparently. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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I have no idea where the whole baby thing came from. Traditionally it is always young teens who go through crazy trials who are made into space marines.
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It doesn't really matter how I pronounce Cadia cause it's gone now.
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Cadia broke; the Guard did not.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:58
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TheLastRoboKy posted:It doesn't really matter how I pronounce Cadia cause it's gone now. Good think there's Cadia 2 and onwards then. 
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TheLastRoboKy posted:It doesn't really matter how I pronounce Cadia cause it's gone now.  
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Nov 4, 2020 02:01
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It is entirely possible to save those two guardsman who lead you to that Eldar camp. You just have to rush a big army army in ahead of them and kill everyone. If you do, they'll move up to that position and then just sort of hang out there reinforcing their squad. There's no real payoff for saving them, but I always make the effort to do it anyway.
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Nov 4, 2020 02:15
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Primaris Marines only get three extra organs compared to regular (or Firstborn) Marines. Including one called The Revitaliser that connects their two hearts and whenever they take significant amount of trauma it kicks into gear and injects them with super combat stimms to make them fight again and helps their body regrow.
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One thing I always thought was kind of cool about the Eldar is the way they compartmentalise their personalities for different Aspect roles. Up to the fact that all Eldar Banshee’s identify as female, because the aspect is feminine. I can’t remember any of the others but most of the combat aspects work like this and that’s a neat world building idea.
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Nov 4, 2020 05:51
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Cooked Auto posted:Good think there's Cadia 2 and onwards then. Cadia 2: Cadia harder
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Lord_Magmar posted:One thing I always thought was kind of cool about the Eldar is the way they compartmentalise their personalities for different Aspect roles. Up to the fact that all Eldar Banshee’s identify as female, because the aspect is feminine. I can’t remember any of the others but most of the combat aspects work like this and that’s a neat world building idea. Yeah it's always important to remember the Eldar were made by the Old Ones with a very specific design in mind, without much consideration of what might happen if said weapons ever sat down and you know... formed a civilization. It's all left to the galaxy to pick up the pieces of afterwards cause a bunch of idiot space wizard-gods made sentient revolvers that shoot raw parallel dimension and didn't put any goddamn safety settings on them but also made them really enjoy the act of loading in the ammo into themselves. I mean the gun analogy does kind of fall apart but so did the Eldar Empire.
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Hunt11 posted:I have no idea where the whole baby thing came from. Traditionally it is always young teens who go through crazy trials who are made into space marines. Some chapters like the Red Scorpions will take genetically compatible infants to raise until they can be implanted. It is possible to partially convert an adult but that only seems to have happened during the Great Crusade when Primarchs grandfathered in their pre-contact mentors and companions. They also used techniques that allowed for much quicker creation of Space Marines, but they turned out to have negative side effects that contributed to the Horus Heresy. Plus they were able to create new gene seed by using the Primarchs themselves in some way, like by taking cell samples and growing them in a culture I dunno the specifics if they've even been explained, so implanting candidates with higher rejection rates wasn't as big of an issue since they didn't need to wait for successful candidates to grow a second progenoid gland (which only need 5-10 years to mature not centuries). Lord_Magmar posted:One thing I always thought was kind of cool about the Eldar is the way they compartmentalise their personalities for different Aspect roles. Up to the fact that all Eldar Banshee’s identify as female, because the aspect is feminine. I can’t remember any of the others but most of the combat aspects work like this and that’s a neat world building idea. I think all of the other Aspects are male since they're all aspects of Khaine's personality except for the Howling Banshees which were given to Khaine by Morai-Heg when she sent their daughters, the Banshees, to annoy Khaine until he cut off Morai-Heg's hand so she could drink her own blood and gain even greater power. In gratitude she gave Khaine the Howling Banshee aspect. Those Crone Swords RoBoKy mentioned are made from her finger bones.
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Actually, I'm unclear on something. I know 40K lore is subject to changes and retcons, but they way I'd heard it, Eldar were a race that sort of existed naturally on their own in the shadow of the Old Ones, who were later sort of recruited into the war. I thought the Korks were the only race actually created as bioweapons for the war in heaven?
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Gothsheep posted:Actually, I'm unclear on something. I know 40K lore is subject to changes and retcons, but they way I'd heard it, Eldar were a race that sort of existed naturally on their own in the shadow of the Old Ones, who were later sort of recruited into the war. I thought the Korks were the only race actually created as bioweapons for the war in heaven? The Eldar were made/uplifted/modified by the Old Ones during the second War in Heaven between the Necrons and the Old Ones to target psychic weaknesses in the C’tan. But they did exist beforehand as a sapient species, the Old Ones just took them and forged them into powerful Psykers and gave them extremely long lives. Notably this pissed the Necrons off even more, as their whole issue with the Old Ones was the Old Ones refusing to share immortality with the Necrontyr. As for the other Aspects, most of them are based on mythical creatures or Khaine, however the Warp Spiders in particular are based on the creatures that scuttle around the webway cleaning and protecting it. It might legitimately just be the Howling Banshees are all female, because to be a Howling Banshee is to take on a feminine persona.
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Coolguye posted:And, for those of you waiting for it: No, I don't lose my temper about Eldar this episode. You have to wait for Ep 7 for that. To be fair, the Eldar in this mission didn't really do any of the typical Eldar things that piss everyone off other than 'exist'. None of the usually 'YOU ARE FOOLS FOR NOT SEEING WHAT WE HAVE WENT TO EXTENSIVE LENGTHS TO OBFUSCATE IF ONLY YOU WEREN'T BLIND SMUG SMUG PREEN PREEN OH NO I AM BEING FOLDED IN HALF BACKWARDS AND TURN INTO AN ELDAR HOOLAHOOP YOU PEOPLE ARE MONSTERS'. In fact, the Big Name Eldar almost seems kind of... respectful and realistic about the enemy they are about to throw themselves at. She knows full well that this is a Terrible loving Idea and that hahaha good luck trying to get the drop on Space Marines.
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Rorahusky posted:To be fair, the Eldar in this mission didn't really do any of the typical Eldar things that piss everyone off other than 'exist'. None of the usually 'YOU ARE FOOLS FOR NOT SEEING WHAT WE HAVE WENT TO EXTENSIVE LENGTHS TO OBFUSCATE IF ONLY YOU WEREN'T BLIND SMUG SMUG PREEN PREEN OH NO I AM BEING FOLDED IN HALF BACKWARDS AND TURN INTO AN ELDAR HOOLAHOOP YOU PEOPLE ARE MONSTERS'. I did think her one line here was pretty good. "You can never ambush a Space Marine, you can just confirm their suspicions."
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Lord_Magmar posted:It might legitimately just be the Howling Banshees are all female, because to be a Howling Banshee is to take on a feminine persona. The new Howling Banshee kit was noted with having an option for a male face so that implies that males can enter the aspect as well if so wanted. But the armor are still going to make them look feminine if they wear the mask.
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Cooked Auto posted:The new Howling Banshee kit was noted with having an option for a male face so that implies that males can enter the aspect as well if so wanted. But the armor are still going to make them look feminine if they wear the mask. Well yeah, the idea is that if a male Eldar becomes a Howling Banshee they identify as female for the period of time they live as a Howling Banshee. Hence taking on a feminine Persona. All Howling Banshees are female, but when they're not a Howling Banshee they might not be female.
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For marine recruitment, it varies a lot. Space wolves for example take their recruits at an older age, Canonically Ragnar shagged a lady before engaging in a life or death duel that got him accepted as a recruit, THEN he went to boot camp for like a year? THEN he started the rituals. That late start is likely one reason that space wolves get grey hair as they age. Space wolves of course also have a citadel fortress unmatched outside Terra and possibly one Mechanicum Knight great house that includes basically a fully functional production plant, but it also has systems installed likely by the emperor himself during the crusade to stabilize the process of being a space wolves marine. Which led to the space wolves being unable to have successor chapters because any successors would uh... turn into really angry wolfdudes due to the space wolves Geneseed. Which has some extra spiciness added into it by the Emperor because likely one purpose of the Space Wolves is to be used to just DUNK brutally on the other space marine legions if they turned on the Emperor. They have done it... probably three times if you count the Thousand Sons?
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I just read first love of his life, which doesn't necessarily imply shagging. But given the nearly literal viking tribal culture the Space Wolf homeworld has I'm inclined to believe it is. From a quick check 18 is the latest age at which someone can reasonably start the process to become a full Space Marine, and of course there's versions for adults but those were only employed during the Crusade and might be lost to time, and don't create full Space Marines, just a close facsimile. My guess is that the process co-opts natural processes of puberty to allow for a greater chance at surviving the changes the body undergoes to become a Marine. The grey hair thing is just because all Space Wolves are basically genetic copies of Leman Russ, which is kind of the point of the Gene-seed. Although only the Alpha Legion are full on identical clones, the rest are closer to being genetically modified into son-clones instead of full clones, which makes the Emperor effectively their literal genetic father/grandfather.
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Pretty sure Loken banged after he got turned into a Space Marine from what I've read. Admittedly a 30k era marine that weren't as indoctrinated but that's still somewhat remarkable. I think the puberty co-opting is confirmed but I'd have to look through some of my older books to make sure. It is however supported through other texts. For instance Hyperion in The Emperor's Gift doesn't even recognize he's being flirted with at one point. Which shows that some parts of their brain hasn't developed properly or have been intentionally shut down. 
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Cooked Auto posted:Pretty sure Loken banged after he got turned into a Space Marine from what I've read. Nah. Loken straight up says he doesn't get human feelings of attraction or love in the Horus Heresy novels - he can see a beautiful woman and have a nagging sense that he should be feeling something, but doesn't know what. In Know No Fear, an Ultramarine captain believes even the tech-priests of the AdMech are more human than Marines are. One of the main characters of that novel is a tech-priestess whose husband is killed during the Word Bearers' opening strike on Calth, and briefly talks about their marriage and family. The Ultramarine notes that that kind of love and family is something no Marine can understand or have.
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But that's easily a question of indoctrination as much as it is the genetic and body modification stuff. The Primarchs definitely understand and can have such relationships, although the issue then becomes finding an equal partnership when you're near the pinnacle of humanity. Space Wolves in particular are noted for still having a lot of the emotions other Space Marines lack, lust and humour come easier to them then most, and it's no secret their indoctrination/training is probably more super viking and less monk-like. It's been a bit incosistent over time, but I think the general thing is that Marines can have lust and such things, but their training and some of their emotional dampening modifications make it less powerful than it might be if they were naturally evolved to that point in humanity's evolution. Given the Emperor is supposedly a male example of the final evolved form of humanity (11 feet tall, naturally super attractive and powerful/skilled). With Space Marines and Primarchs not quite as far along. It's also likely a case by case basis from both the Gene-seed implemented and just how well one takes to the indoctrination/emotional dampening. It's potentially one of the reasons a Space Marine would fall to Slaanesh, wanting to feel the full depth and breadth of the emotions their training and maybe brain modifications deny them. As far as heights, I think that the Primaris are canonically just half a head taller, but try telling that to Black Library writers. The Emperor is generally agreed to be about twice the height of a normal human and he's definitely the tallest human (variant) ever. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Cythereal posted:Nah. Loken straight up says he doesn't get human feelings of attraction or love in the Horus Heresy novels - he can see a beautiful woman and have a nagging sense that he should be feeling something, but doesn't know what. Aight, thought I had read something about Loken's exploits including some tumbling in the hay with fair maidens but guess I misremembered then. Never been much for Marine bolter porn so I've regularly given marine books a wide pass (Emperor's Gift and Brotherhood of the Snake have been exceptions to that rule) so I admit a lot of it is through second hand sources. I would almost place myself in the camp as preferring the majority of the Marines being the weird, almost uncaring, monster with a human form. It makes them a great contrast to other things and just goes to show how much the Imperium is willing to sacrifice to keep itself going. Any deviations from that mold becomes interesting in their own way as well. Not to mention in a way they contrast nicely with the AoS Stormcast who are more alive, yet they also suffer in their own ways. Both being nice reflections of the settings they belong in.
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Lord_Magmar posted:The grey hair thing is just because all Space Wolves are basically genetic copies of Leman Russ, which is kind of the point of the Gene-seed. Although only the Alpha Legion are full on identical clones, the rest are closer to being genetically modified into son-clones instead of full clones, which makes the Emperor effectively their literal genetic father/grandfather. All Space Marines get grey hair eventually, it's just that the Space Wolves don't shave their heads like most Marines do. I thought the Alpha Legion just gave their members surgery to look identical.
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White Coke posted:All Space Marines get grey hair eventually, it's just that the Space Wolves don't shave their heads like most Marines do. Partly that, partly how their geneseed works. The Alpha Legion have some really weird poo poo going on where Alpharius and Omegon can just manifest in any of them and take over for a bit. They're literally the hydra.
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the alpha legion was cool back before the horus heresy when they actually did things now they don't do anything because doing things fractures their aura of mystery
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Frankly the constant "May or may not be a heretic" memes is what annoys me the most about them these days. I like their colours but they've been kinda ruined by both the fans and the writers who have adapted that wholesale.
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I personally suspect part of the reason Alpha legion plays up their whole aura of mystery is that they don't want anyone to know that they have in fact splintered into dozens of different factions with different goals. Like we have seen legit 100 percent chaos worshiping alpha legion groups but on the flip side, we have seen 100 percent actually loyal Alpha legion groups. Of course, most of them appear to fall between those two extremes. Interesting and bizarre groups include We believe we are still loyal to the Imperium but attack weak and corrupt parts of it in the belief that culling them will strengthen the rest. Are not actually chaos corrupted but still traitors because "gently caress the Imperium". Probably corrupted by chaos but still believe they are acting in Imperium best interests. Rather or not they are, is up to debate. A group that so compulsively infiltrates other space marine groups that they don’t even remember what their original goal is anymore. And of course, the gently caress chaos gently caress the imperium we are well-equipped superhumans with power armor and powerful warships were gonna do whatever we want. Let's not get too much into the whole madness that is X is actually an Alpha legion marine in disguise. That can be done but well just as frequently is a crapshoot.
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Coolguye posted:the alpha legion was cool back before the horus heresy when they actually did things Good point. It used to be they were all about subversion and asymmetric warfare, now they're just inscrutable. I do like that during the Great Crusade because of their insecurity about finding their Primarch last and having a less impressive combat record their tactical doctrine was: crazy complicated poo poo that looks awesome if we pull it off.
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i'd be fine with the ambiguous allegiences of the alpha legion if they actually loving did things. the night lords also are not really as 'in' as many chaos warbands because they don't like daemon usage and maintain a twisted sense of honor about their targets in theory, even if that theory goes straight out the window the instant a fight starts and to a loving man they get caught up in being the star in their own personal slasher movie. it's not without precedent that a chaos warband can be evil without being the anything-goes black legion or full on godpledges like the thousand sons or the death guard. but since doing things gives you hints to someone's motivations and goals and the alpha legion is supposed to be able to be anywhere and anything at any time they're not allowed to do things and holy god is that lame.
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I stopped taking the Alpha Legion seriously after one HH book revealed that this army of master spies and infiltrators who supposedly can blend in anywhere and be anyone apparently tattoos their logo on every single one of their agents.
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Belisarius Cawl isn't the Fabricator-General, just an extremely old Archmagos. The current Fabricator-General is Oud Oudia Raskian, who was one of the High Lords who smuggled in a Haemonculus to work on the Golden Throne.
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ThingOne posted:Belisarius Cawl isn't the Fabricator-General, just an extremely old Archmagos. The current Fabricator-General is Oud Oudia Raskian, who was one of the High Lords who smuggled in a Haemonculus to work on the Golden Throne. Wait what?
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