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jabby posted:But she's backing Biden, and without hesitation. And she explains away the contradiction by saying she'd rather be lobbying him from within the Democratic party than trying to lobby Trump. Is she right, or would she be better off outside the democratic party and refusing to support either candidate? If the question is should she run as an Independent then no obviously not.
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Beefeater1980 posted:It seems obvious to me that she’s right as a matter of general principle, because the right wing party isn’t ever going to be vulnerable to pressure from the left. Not if they were cool. The problem is in our system they might wind up leader and then hosed by the media, that can't happen in the same way with a presidential system.
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stev posted:I turned this on and it sent me three notifications in the span of five minutes to tell me that nothing has happened. That's weird, mine is just sitting silently in the notification bar.
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jabby posted:As we're ever on the topic of how much the left should support Starmer over the Tories, I found this video of AOC very interesting: Worth remembering that British political parties and US parties are entirely different and not even vaguely comparable. But ultimately she'll have as much luck lobbying Biden to do the right thing as she would with Trump which is to say gently caress all. Anyway, have a stupid UK journalist tweet https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1323776498805968898?s=19
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Nov 4, 2020 01:03
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jabby posted:The only support that matters to a party is votes. I don't see being a Labour member "lending them support" in any significant way, if anything I'm being an irritating fly in the ointment to the current leadership who would rather purge me. It'd be more supportive to them if I left and allowed stuff like NEC votes and future leadership votes to go their way. To be honest I completely respect you staying in and trying. I don't know if I'm right to do this, I really don't, and don't begrudge anyone staying for the reasons you are - who knows? Be the nastiest fly ever to be in an ointment. Mebh posted:I'm very drunk, have any goons found a good election zoom/stream/group thing? I wish to slurr angrily with other like minded individuals. Would also like this. Andrew Neil is p funny for a right winger tho and I expect he will be quite fun tonight. The US coverage has such better production values but it's so much more poe-faced than British coverage.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:04
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Vitamin P posted:If the question is should she run as an Independent then no obviously not. The question is should she be vocally and enthusiastically supporting Biden despite him opposing all her key policies, or is this either a bad strategy or evidence she's not as left-wing as she appears. With the secondary question of what bearing this has on whether the UK left should support or withhold support from Starmer. Jakabite posted:To be honest I completely respect you staying in and trying. I don't know if I'm right to do this, I really don't, and don't begrudge anyone staying for the reasons you are - who knows? Be the nastiest fly ever to be in an ointment. I similarly don't begrudge anyone for leaving. We're all working towards the same aim, and like I've said I think to have any impact we need left-wing people both inside and outside the Labour party.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:05
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I thought AOC self-identified as a liberal rather than a socialist, while actually appearing to know the difference? Maybe I’m mixing her up with someone else. Like she’s radical left by US standards but
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Nov 4, 2020 01:08
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Election update: a lot of the alarm bells that were sounding for Clinton this time of the night are not sounding for Biden. Trump underperforming in many places.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:13
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Nov 4, 2020 01:23
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Election update: a lot of the alarm bells that were sounding for Clinton this time of the night are not sounding for Biden. Trump underperforming in many places. But: https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1323783200557146120
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Nov 4, 2020 01:25
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America is going to poo poo the bed isnt it...
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Nov 4, 2020 01:45
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jabby posted:The question is should she be vocally and enthusiastically supporting Biden despite him opposing all her key policies, or is this either a bad strategy or evidence she's not as left-wing as she appears. With the secondary question of what bearing this has on whether the UK left should support or withhold support from Starmer. I don't think she's been terribly enthusiastic about Biden, your post was just her saying lobbying within a Biden presidency would be more effective than lobbying a Trump presidency would which is indisputably true. Broadly speaking I think Bernie-or-Bustesque stuff is a bad take, especially because 99% of the people boasting about doing it can't actually make any strong arguments for it even though there are genuinely compelling arguments for it would be lovely if an obnoxious motherfucker would make the argument now and then, but aside from trolling CSPAM I don't actually begrudge anyone that just can't stomach supporting scum like Biden or Starmer. Definitely not going to pretend they're ackshually so much better or smarter than the people that don't give up on the useful angle of electoralism though.
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Nov 4, 2020 01:46
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jabby posted:Trump almost certain to win Florida now, according to NY times. He 100% needs Florida, Georgia and North Carolina to even have a chance, Georgia is a coin-toss and Biden is spanking him in North Carolina, Trump is hosed
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Vitamin P posted:He 100% needs Florida, Georgia and North Carolina to even have a chance, Georgia is a coin-toss and Biden is spanking him in North Carolina, Trump is hosed I remember being optimistic the last two times. don't call anything yet
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FiftySeven posted:America is going to poo poo the bed isnt it... To be fair their only options are to poo poo the bed or poo poo the house.
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Nov 4, 2020 02:10
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The worst thing will be when trump loses but doesnt lose his poo poo over it.
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Nov 4, 2020 02:17
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NotJustANumber99 posted:The worst thing will be when trump loses but doesnt lose his poo poo over it. A graceful, conciliatory Trump? Please.
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OwlFancier posted:Exactly, I genuinely do think a system where you have like a minimum positive affirmation but negative votes would be very interesting. Tarnop posted:The choice is between Trump, or a further deepening of the conditions that created him. serious gaylord posted:Isnt it going to take 15 days for some stats to declare anyway because they're only allowed 3 people to count all the postal votes? Trump will take Florida as long as Jerb is alive to gently caress with the counts.
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Nov 4, 2020 02:44
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so lads I haven't been paying attention and I'm drunk, is the usa getting the poo poo fascist rapist or the the poo poo lib fascist enabling rapist?
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ThomasPaine posted:so lads I haven't been paying attention and I'm drunk, is the usa getting the poo poo fascist rapist or the the poo poo lib fascist enabling rapist? lol nobody knows but it's certainly looking like 2016-2 at the moment if it really does come down to pennsylvania we may not know for *days*
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Nov 4, 2020 03:59
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Election update:  It's turning out to be way closer than polls predicted and could still go for trump
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Nov 4, 2020 04:19
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Well this looks pretty depressing. Already seen a commentator claim Biden's poor performance shows America isn't ready for the left-wing agenda of Joe Biden, and the Dems must endeavour to be 'more moderate' to win back Florida voters. Because that's what Trump voters really crave, moderation.
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I put money on trump winning so at least the absolute inauguration of american fascism will get me a moderately decent bottle of whisky I guess
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Nov 4, 2020 04:23
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My internet went out after 11, thoughtfully encouraging me to go to bed. Only up now for a pee and thought I'd check in on the results and boy oh boy Sleepy Joe, what a candidate The Democratic Party must be the dumbest most complacent political party since PASOK Oh well, back to bed
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win or lose this result means trumpism isn't going away, the GOP's going to have a competent hitler ready to go in 2024, all that's left to see is whether america will have a chance to vote on him or not
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Nov 4, 2020 06:01
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lol how the gently caress do you lose to Trump twice?
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I've been watching this all night, I've gone through drunk and now I'm angry sober, and let me say: Number go up, number go down
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Nov 4, 2020 06:38
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Looking good for that trade deal lads.
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Dabir posted:win or lose this result means trumpism isn't going away, the GOP's going to have a competent hitler ready to go in 2024, all that's left to see is whether america will have a chance to vote on him or not Looking forward to seeing the Dems put the thumb on the scales for Buttigieg over AOC in 2024, watch him perform completely under expectations and then say that he was too left and they need someone more moderate.
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Nah Biden has won.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Nah Biden has won. Trump is leading in 7 of the 9 key swing states. Looks increasingly like Biden's hosed it lol.
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Biden likely has a majority of mail in votes since democrats were more likely to get one this year due to covid, whereas republicans were more likely to go cough in each others mouths and dying by going to the polling booth. But also yes, it looks at a glance like the dems have somehow picked a candidate who couldn’t even beat the worst president the USA has ever had, who is currently more unpopular than jimmy carter was when he lost his second term election. Truly labour needs To follow the dems example and pick the most useless, handwringing neoliberal centrist we can to win going forward.
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