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Omobono posted:1) I think exploring Eastward towards quote:2) Maggot to 117, scouting 115 and 119. Ailei should follow. Search for trouble. If a village is revealed Ailei hands her survival kit to Maggot and goes there for shelter and diplomacy. Also agreed. And I mean, if all else fails, we're in good shape so taking a couple points of damage on Ailei isn't the end of the world - we've got enough food to heal it back up over time. quote:3) I've been outvoted on practicality, so Motivation seems good short term, since both our characters have issues with Terror buildup. Out of curiosity however, what do you want practicality ASAP for ? I could be convinced to vote for that instead. 4) Snakebite is a LOT of damage quickly, both as a finisher (once we've bought Practicality one for 6 more xp) or if we can get that bonus slot to fire off into Hex. As a professional Mindthief IRL I'm very ok with "a LOT of damage quickly". It should replace Find Weakness which is the same only strictly worse. De-escalation isn't quite as enthusing but it'll do as a middling, eh, better than not card. I'm not sure what to replace though. Risky Ploy probably ? That seems like a truly horrible card holy hell. Kobal2 fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Nov 1, 2020 |
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. Consensus was an Empathy skill, I'd go for Motivation or Power Transfer. Ailei needs reliable terror removal and Maggot has some terror generation in his combat cards; Power Transfer is self-explanatory and all--around useful.
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East and west are mixed up, right? 1: East to Kamelot since we're already close to it. I think it is in the NE of where we are now. 2: If we head that way, I prefer visiting the B the First Farm together. The purple encounter we ran from was very scary, so I hope this next one will be more reasonable. Depending on what shows up, explore or keep moving. 3: It's hard to say what skills are good. Motivation makes sense to me since Ailei has trouble removing terror, and I think Maggot tends to have nightmares. So having a way to manage that seems alright. Energy Transfer seems kinda fun, but I think we're supposed to let the original menhir go out. Just going off the math of maintaining menhirs... I don't think we can actually sustain all of them the entire game. And we don't have anything else to swap at the moment. 4: Maggot should take Defensive Posture. With the overpowered clansword, he just needs to buy time in order to win fights. This card combos, prevents damage, and can chain pretty well into other cards. I wouldn't mind if he got Snakebite since that's tons of damage, and burst is also a good way to win. Ailei shouldn't be getting a diplo card, but... of these, Mystic Calmness seems fun. She'll have more options if she can block an energy loss or terror gain. I wouldn't mind if she got Deescalation either because that one combos easily.
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NeoRonTheNeuron posted:East and west are mixed up, right? Mini-update recap Votes so far posted:1) General plan: going East, to Kamelot has a pretty commanding lead at the moment. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Nov 2, 2020 |
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That Italian Guy posted:There is a lot of consensus for each option on this vote, but since the absolute numbers are not huge, you can still influence the outcome, especially for vote number 4 and 3, so don't forget to cast your vote! I second the mini-update recap, my picks for 4 were the same, and empathy-motivation looks good. 1) East Kamelot 2) explore first farmhold 3) empathy 3, motivation 4) card advancement, defensive posture and de-escalation
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Vote Results posted:1) We are going East, towards Kamelot to ask King Arthur and his knights for help.  Whoever has the Adventurer's kit will be able to ignore this. We'll try to seek refuge in a settlement if at all possible. Travel posted:- We are Travelling to Location 117, First Farmhold. Each party member spends 1 Energy Encounter: Wandering Priestess posted:
Exploration: First Farmhold (117) posted:- Ailei spends 1  (current: 1) to suffer "only" 2  (current: 6). If we were out of Energy, this could have been sooo much worse. There is now 1 Time Token here, and it'll be gone tomorrow. I do a bit of "inventory" management and pass the Menhir Rites secret and the Stagfather Charm to Ailei, while leaving the Adventuring Gear on Maggot; then Ailei seeks refuge from the Unnatural Chill in Whitening. This means, of course, that she'll have to convince them to stay.- Ailei spends 1 (current:3) and travels to Whitening (107). Diplomacy: Law of Hospitality posted:
End of Day posted:Rest:  Since we've messed up last time, we'll get a Diplomacy upgrade for Maggot and a Combat upgrade for Ailei to balance things out.  VOTE IS NOW OPEN Vote Options posted:1) What remains of the Farmhold: by tomorrow the remaining Time Token in Location 117 will be gone. We could go back and inspect (vote as many as you want, in order of importance; you can also vote against certain options to remove support from them):                   Explored Locations: - 101 - 102 - 104 - 106 - 107 - 109 - 117 That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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(current A:1, M:0)! Let's see what's up with the 1st Menhir.
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I'm pretty sure the "band of stinky beggars led by a red-head" is the previous expedition from Cuanacht, the guys who left us letters. 1) A and C. We know what's in the hole. 2) Next destination(s): vote the top 2 destinations you'd like to explore next: C then B, "free" XP is neato, magic on Ailei as well. 3) Deck Advancements: Searing Gaze is too funny to pass up. "Yo, guys, I think this guy is completely nutters. Better do what he says." Toss up between Agile Defense and Target Weakness. I like big red piles, so I'll go Target Weakness.
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Kobal2 posted:I'm pretty sure the "band of stinky beggars led by a red-head" is the previous expedition from Cuanacht, the guys who left us letters. Seconding most of this. 2B before 2C, since Maggot risks losing all his energy to the wyrm. Although I think Ailei should go to 115 through 114 so we scout 113.
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Omobono posted:Seconding most of this. 2B before 2C, since Maggot risks losing all his energy to the wyrm. Fair enough, changing my own vote to this.
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Nov 3, 2020 15:19
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1) What remains of the Farmhold: A the tents again then C the pile of slimy rags. I think that nightmare is telling us to not go down the hole 2) Next destination(s): vote the top 2 destinations you'd like to explore next: Ailei trades one food for one weatlh from Whitening and then moves north to Tangleroot, scouting the 113 location. Maggot does the First Farmhold thing and then, if he still has energy left, moves north to Titan's Steps After Maggot gives a good idea on what is there to explore in Titan's Steps Ailei moves there too to explore and maybe turn on another Menhir 3) Deck Advancements: Ailei picks up Target Weakspot and Flash of Insight for Maggot
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Since at this point I am certifiably insane, on top of the Gloomhaven and Tainted Grail LP, I've just started a 7 week long SA Railroad Ink tournament  We are only updating once a week, so everyone should have time to play at their own pace. There's even a prize for the winner! So sign up and show the world your inner artist/city planner.
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The next day's event doesn't quite make sense if you end up having the ability to swap active menhirs and chose to light Whitening again. Cuanacht would've been A-OK in that case. 1: Whatever closes it out. Seems like A and C are what we're missing. 2: C followed by B. The guaranteed XP (from C) is nice, as is the free exploration (from B). 3: I like Agile Defense for Ailei and Flash of Insight for Maggot because both let you combo automatically and have decent effects. Agile Defense seems like it's good for buying time and boosting your next-turn chains and your card draw. Flash of Insight is similar. NeoRonTheNeuron fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Nov 3, 2020 |
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Nov 3, 2020 19:41
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Derelict ship's location card requires you to pay 4 energy for that +1 terror, +1 magic, +1 exp., doesn't it? It's not free.
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Kanthulhu posted:Derelict ship's location card requires you to pay 4 energy for that +1 terror, +1 magic, +1 exp., doesn't it? It's not free.
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Nov 3, 2020 20:26
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Yes. By free exploration, I was referring to location B (Titan's Steps). The XP from location C is guaranteed. Will edit to clarify what I meant
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Mini-update recapVotes so far posted:1) Looks like we're going back inside the Fort and we're having a look at the tents (A), then the slimy rags (C). We are most likely not going to look in the hole (B). That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Don't have an opinion about the other two, but: 2B - Titan's Steps should be progress towards our goal of visiting Kamelot, and the Fleet's only obvious relevance is the ability to burn a lot of energy and terror getting a little bit of money and XP, which isn't really a great tradeoff.
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The devs seem to value XP a lot. The arena next door to the starting area was 4 energy and 1 health for 1 XP. Our current party is the worst one at terror management, but it's still a good location in my opinion. Like, if we had Beor I'd vote to have him camp the action for three or four days; but of course where did Beor get the magic for this path in the first place? With our Ailei it's 6 energy for 1 XP/ 1 MP, a probably worthy trade. Maggot might have less immediate use but it's still 2 energy and 1 terror more than his passive for 1 extra XP. I think Maggot should hit the wreck action a couple times in the next days while Ailei goes hunting. The encounters are still easy (plus the bowmaidens are friendly) and we just got a combat advancement. Can encounters (in general) give XP as loot? I'm still going to push for Ailei's practicality, but we should probably boost her combat deck some in the meanwhile. E: why is Ailei's passive out of settlements only? She can't store her herbs into a satchel? Omobono fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Omobono posted:but of course where did Beor get the magic for this path in the first place?  Omobono posted:E: why is Ailei's passive out of settlements only? She can't store her herbs into a satchel? Omobono posted:Can encounters (in general) give XP as loot? I'm still going to push for Ailei's practicality, but we should probably boost her combat deck some in the meanwhile. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Omobono posted:E: why is Ailei's passive out of settlements only? She can't store her herbs into a satchel? Bold of you to assume she has a satchel to begin with. We started our journey by literally going door to door to beg for food scraps, dude. We embarked on our massive, dangerous quest to save the realm from hellish beasts and the Wyrd without a loving *weapon*. Let's face it : we're really far down the "hobo" spectrum of murderhobo.
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So the thing about XP is that yes, it's valuable. Which is why repeatable sources come at a substantial cost. But it's a very substantial cost, basically a whole day's activity, plus hurting the person doing it, and we've already seen that exploring and completing quests nets us XP as well as other benefits. And we are on multiple time limits. So I would argue that using XP actions is not, generally, the way to go.
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malkav11 posted:So the thing about XP is that yes, it's valuable. Which is why repeatable sources come at a substantial cost. But it's a very substantial cost, basically a whole day's activity, plus hurting the person doing it, and we've already seen that exploring and completing quests nets us XP as well as other benefits. And we are on multiple time limits. So I would argue that using XP actions is not, generally, the way to go. I would agree in general terms, which is why I didn't ever push for using the Warrior Fair next to Cuanacht. HOWEVER, this one also lets us gain Magic, which is valuable both as a resource (to light menhirs and such) and to link cards & win encounters. And unlike moolah, food or reputation, magic doesn't seem all too easy for non-Maggots to come by. Plus we just picked up a skill that'll help nix the other cost/downside of the manoeuver. Also, let's not forget that beyond its value as a location with an action linked to it... it's also a location period. As in explorable. One that the next menhir we light up won't cover. All reasons why I reckon it's best to milk it for all its worth while we still can. All the moreso that our current timed quest (finding Kamelot and diplomancing its ruler) seems pretty easy on the surface (well, the first part is anyway). EDIT : that being said, Omobono is also correct in that we should at least reveal 113 (and what we need to rekindle the next menhir) before sinking any energy anywhere Kobal2 fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Kobal2 posted:All the moreso that our current timed quest (finding Kamelot and diplomancing its ruler) seems pretty easy on the surface (well, the first part is anyway). Yeah, without knowing anything about this game I'm already going to call that we'll find a Saber Alter situation. For those that don't get the Fate/Stay Night reference: King Arthur corrupted by
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Omobono posted:Yeah, without knowing anything about this game I'm already going to call that we'll find a Saber Alter situation. Oh absolutely, but we either can or we can't. And if we factually can't I expect the game's objectives to evolve to reflect that.
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Kobal2 posted:I would agree in general terms, which is why I didn't ever push for using the Warrior Fair next to Cuanacht. HOWEVER, this one also lets us gain Magic, which is valuable both as a resource (to light menhirs and such) and to link cards & win encounters. And unlike moolah, food or reputation, magic doesn't seem all too easy for non-Maggots to come by. Plus we just picked up a skill that'll help nix the other cost/downside of the manoeuver. A skill which also takes time. And magic is both rarer than food and less useful, because we eat food in addition to using it for various costs, and so far the two uses we've seen for magic are 1) kindling menhirs (which vary dramatically in what they cost and how much) and 2) linking keys in combat, which we haven't much needed to do except on Maggot, who can source it directly. Just saying. We'll see how people feel about it.
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malkav11 posted:2) linking keys in combat, which we haven't much needed to do except on Maggot, who can source it directly. Just saying. We'll see how people feel about it. Not just combat ! Ailei just used hers to diplomance gooder. And sure, when all goes well, we don't need it. That's sort of the point. Magic is valuable precisely because it helps turn "well, poo poo" situations into "no worries !" ones. Maggot can hunt fine on his own, he can explore mostly fine as well and so on (he's not even absolute poo poo at diplomacy) so all other things being equal, I'm saying leaving Ailei to fill up on magic and spending her energy on going super Sayajin and curing herself afterwards isn't absolutely terrible a notion.
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Kobal2 posted:Not just combat ! Ailei just used hers to diplomance gooder. I was lumping the two encounter systems together under the rubric of combat, but yes. It's occasionally helpful for both. But Maggot's deck has a much heavier reliance on magic for both systems than Ailei's, because he can get it as needed.
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Vote Results posted:1) Back to the Fort: We're going back and we're having a look at the tents (A), then the slimy rags (C). Exploration: First Farmhold (117) posted:- Maggot spends 1  Maggot is not going to be able to do much else today, but if Ailei has some spare we may have him meet her in Titan's Steps to get healed a bit. Missing lowers our available Energy (although since we're always exhausted to begin with it has had no effect on Maggot so far) and makes it easier for us to Go Insane.Travel posted:- We are Travelling to Location 115, Titans' Steps. Ailei spends 2 Energy  Wonder who SHE might be...anyway we got a free/mandatory exploration once we enter the Titans' Steps.Exploration: Titans' Steps (115) posted:Intro: on Ailei. For now, we end the Day.End of Day posted:Rest:  VOTE IS NOW OPEN Vote Options posted:1) Gawain's Quest: Gawains wants us to carry the Scabbard of Excalibur to the Tombs of the Order, where the rest of the Knights of the Round are allegedly waiting for it - wherever they may be. Are we:      Explored Locations: - 101 - 102 - 104 - 106 - 107 - 109 - 115 - 117
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How exactly is Gawain still alive? Hasn't it been a couple centuries since Arthur & co? We have a LOT of time. 6 days. This new menhir is a freebie. 4 energy and 4 magic (so 8 energy). We could a) double back, repair the menhir in Cuhanacht, light the one in the mounds and go west. I think it'd take way too much loving time for this, but we could. b) take our time and explore the lake and maybe talk to the Lady. Hopefully she's still friendly. Holy poo poo that action. 1) We're swiping Avalon (the scabbard) are we even questioning this? Actual completion of the quest optional. It's not like Gawain gave us a time frame and we don't even know where to go at the moment (there's totally going to be a gently caress you moment later on if we keep it). 2) Ailei travels westward and explores Tangleroot - hunting would exhaust her, otherwise I'd vote for that instead, we can remove the insanity with the lake action tomorrow; Maggot is missing just 2 hp, he can though it out. 3) C and D - I really want to see who's in that lake while Maggot can hold his own southeast. Wait for skills on both our characters. I think Maggot should get an aggression skill before improving his combat deck a bit.
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It has been centuries, yes. They do explain this, but we haven't seen the stuff that talks about it. Note that accepting or refusing the quest ticks opposing statuses. I'm not going to vote on which direction but we should pick one of those statuses and stick with it.
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1) When someone hands you a magic doodad you say yes. Plus if it really can cure disease we might get rid of the plague, so there's that. Oh, also heroing and stuff. 2) B and E : Ailei explores the Mysterious Dirty Rags (between her practicality, caution and the adventuring gear she should have no trouble climbing the wall), banks energy for tomorrow. Maggot only has a flesh wound, he can suck on his thumb for a couple days. I do want to see the Lake and its requisite moistened bint lobbing scimitars eventually, but we still have some time to do that before the menhir goes dark on us, and we might as well load up on craaaazy before we go and heal it all back up. 3) Explore Derelict Fleet (119). with both, one XP will get Maggot his first skill, and we want practicality on Ailei soonish too which will only take 2xp (here's hoping we get one exploring). EDIT : oh, looks like the Tombs are marked on the map too, cool. We even know where the hell we're going.
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1) Gawain's Quest:: Accept. . 2) What's left of the day: Ailei spends two energy moving left twice to Mirror Lake, rests there gaining one more energy and explores the location Maggot moves north and gains a free mandatory exploration on Titan's Step (it might yield some minor bonus to explore this place after the angry mob departed) 3) Next Destination. Feels like the characters should regroup on mirror lake and rest there a bit and maybe finish exploring it Edit: I checked the map and Kamelot is just above Titan's Steps. Cool, we are pretty close to there. Should be a priority after exploring the mirror lake. Kanthulhu fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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Kanthulhu posted:1) Gawain's Quest:: Accept. I agree with this, but my main interest is in exploring the lake so I'm open to anything that includes that.
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1: A Take the quest! IMO, we're doing okay on sanity, so we can afford to wait on recovering that. 2: Custom Have Ailei go to Mirror Lake and have some free healing (and a chance to explore). Have Maggot go north to Titan's Steps and get his free exploration. 3: A I want to light the menhir soon. Assuming we succeed at the Mirror Lake exploration, I'd prefer to do it immediately. Otherwise, it's fine to wait a day or so. EDIT: Oh, I like exploring the lake. Changing my vote accordingly. NeoRonTheNeuron fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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Oh - by the way, losing health does not make it easier to Go Insane. That's what happens when our terror hits the red "going insane" spaces on the terror track and is independent of our health value. What lower health makes easier is panicking. Any time a character's terror is above the bar of their current health marker, they are panicking and have two negative effects in combat and diplomacy: 1) the first card of their turn is played randomly from the top of their deck 2) they do not draw a card at the end of their turn. You can still play 2nd and onwards cards at your choice and get draws from key linking, but not being able to plan what keys to make available for bonus keys from the first play makes that a lot harder.
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1A The grail is real, lets take a chance on some knights. 2B A backdoor into magic, right. 3B Food is always good.
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Omobono posted:How exactly is Gawain still alive? Hasn't it been a couple centuries since Arthur & co? malkav11 posted:Oh - by the way, losing health does not make it easier to Go Insane. That's what happens when our terror hits the red "going insane" spaces on the terror track and is independent of our health value. What lower health makes easier is panicking. Any time a character's terror is above the bar of their current health marker, they are panicking and have two negative effects in combat and diplomacy:
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The reason Gawain is still alive isn't hugely mysterious, is it ? The game is called "Tainted Grail". As in the cup that's famously supposed to give whosoever drinks from it eternal life because *mumble mumble* Our Lord Jesus Christ *mumble mumble*. The tainted part probably refers to the cost of actually drinking from it, i.e. the entire land turning to poo poo. Which would be a neat twist, come to think of it - as in we're told Arthur & Co. established human settlements by finding a way of taming the Wyrd and whatnot but... we're being told by people who weren't there and heard it from people who weren't there either. When you think about it, there's very little reason to settle a land *this* hardcore to begin with. Settling on a perfectly normal island and thoroughly loving it up through greed/obliviousness is a better, more interesting and believable tale. To me anyway. Kobal2 fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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(Arthurian legend is generally also mixed with genus loci ideas where the land and its ruler are one and the same and affect each other. As in the Fisher King story. It's a very old belief, which in part explains why back in the day when poo poo got *real* hosed up they would not only sacrifice people to the gods to make it stop, but sacrifice the king himself. Both as a way to tell the god(s) "this guy obviously is worth more than everyone else and his sacrifice will be felt by literally everyone so you know we ain't dicking you about here" ; but also because if the kingdom is that hosed, it's the king doing it and/or suffering the most from it. Then the kings figured a way to not get ritually murdered every time the weather got bad and long story short that's why we French hide a plastic jesus inside an almond pie once a year. All this to say I wouldn't be surprised if the final boss of the game is One-Winged King Arthur with a toothy vagina for a face) Kobal2 fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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Nice lorepost/speculation Kobal2! Speaking of lore, Tainted Grail has some obvious differences from the usual Arthurian tales, as we all can see - but let's talk a bit about Gawain. Lorepost - Gawain Gawain, the Maidens' Knight posted:Contrary to what GIS would try to convince you of, Gawain was in fact not an anime hotboi - at least not originally - but his character is considered a ladies' man, in a lot of Arthurian adjacent folklore (one of his titles is, literally "the Maidens' Knight"). Mini-Update Recap! Vote so far posted:
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1A 2A 3A, but instead of moving east after we light the Menhir, wait and assess how to next proceed
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