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Both canons have made it clear that the New Jedi Order is all about abandoning the old ways because the Jedi were incredibly flawed. They lost the war and were wiped out precisely because their methods and traditions were outdated and contributed directly to Anakin becoming Darth Vader, all while being so sure of themselves that they were blinded to the possibility of the Sith being right under their noses until they came out swinging lightsabers. In the original canon, Luke starts a new Jedi praxeum and recruits mature adults and older kids alike without trying to interfere in their personal lives. In the new one, Luke’s teachings to Rey are all about how the Jedi deserved to die out and she needs to give up on them, but it takes another visit from Yoda to realize that it doesn’t mean the order can’t be rebuilt by a new generation who won’t make the same mistakes (or his own).
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Vintersorg posted:Jim Cummings gave Runas the Shamed in WoW similar inflections . It's a little weird hearing Hondo now, haha. Or Minsc. Or Don Carnage!
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Bust Rodd posted:I really loved the Phantom Menace as child but a couple years ago someone pointed out to me "If Qui-Gon had just maybe, you know, not left Anakin's mom enslaved on a desert planet to an evil pitlord..." and now I just watch a super-cut of the Darth Maul scenes whenever I get nostalgic for it. Qui-Gon and Obi wan could have whisked her away to Coruscant or, literally, anywhere in the galaxy... but they just left her on a hot rock to die even though it was completely within their power to do so. skasion posted:gently caress yeah it's intentional. The unwitting cruelty shown to Anakin by the Jedi is the root of the trilogy. Anakin got unethically adopted away from his home, figured he was getting a father figure to replace his mom, then his father figure immediately died and got replaced with a bossy, immature big brother. No wonder he got hosed up. chitoryu12 posted:For all people hate on the prequels, they're a lot more memorable than the new trilogy. When I was a kid I still got mad at the Jedi for leaving the mom. My recent chronological rewatch of Star Wars saga I picked up far more and I got to say.... there are some dark loving bits in the prequels. Don't get me wrong, the prequels are still sloppy as gently caress with ludicrous dialogue and needing a showrunner that can say no to George Lucas and overwrite him but there are some nuggets of good. The new movies are even more sloppy and amateurish but mostly fail to be memorable. I didn't like the Last Jedi but I did like the concept of "anyone can be force sensitive and the Jedi were full of shite" but then they undid that the next movie. The prequels had the Jedi being controlling space cops and getting destroyed by their own hubris and removal from the proper society they were supposed to protect. Peacekeepers became controlling bureaucrats. Say what you will about Filoni but his Clone Wars series made me a fan of the Star Wars universe and not just someone who liked a couple of games. That ending episodes, aside from the amazing soundtrack, was a gut punch but a seriously good ending. Still the live action movies shouldn't have Anakin go right from reluctantly killing Jedi Nick Fury to chopping down a room full of kids. Funny side note: So I work with a guy who watched the original 70's/80's movies as a kid. Growing up seeing the prequels first I always hated how short the lightsaber fight with Obi Won was versus Vader. I saw Obi Won go from a young padawan into the old mentor, like Qui-Gon. That vid I linked earlier with the extended fight scene? He thought it was too much. Just a funny thought about perspective.
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Nov 4, 2020 20:33
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chitoryu12 posted:In the new one, Luke’s teachings to Rey are all about how the Jedi deserved to die out and she needs to give up on them, but it takes another visit from Yoda to realize that it doesn’t mean the order can’t be rebuilt by a new generation who won’t make the same mistakes (or his own). I think it would have been awesome if Luke had explicitly taught that lesson. Luke: These are the Sacred Texts of the Jedi. Thousands of years of knowledge, wisdom, and teachings. Rey: Wow. Luke: *torch* Rey: WTF? Luke: These teachings led directly to a young boy being taken from his mother, indoctrinated to deny his own humanity and essential being, and punished him for trying to do the right thing. These teachings led directly to my father becoming Darth Vader. These teachings led directly to the Empire plunging the galaxy into chaos and horror. And when I tried to bring these teachings back, they led directly to Kylo Ren, and here we are, right back where we started before I was born. Rey: Dude. Luke: These teachings didn't work. Let the past die. Create your own future. Do better than we ever did. Rey: Will you help me? Luke: No. All I have to offer you is the past. All I want to do now is try to make up for my mistakes, not make new ones. One thing I did learn is that 'destiny' isn't preordained; it's forged. Created. Your destiny is what you make of it. What was Anakin's 'destiny?' To be the chosen one? To bring 'balance' to the Force? To become Darth Vader? To bring me to the Emperor? To protect me from the Emperor? Those were all choices, some made for him when he was a child, and some he made himself. Forge your own destiny, Rey. Don't look to the past for guidance in what to do, or what to be. Look to the past for guidance in what not to do, and in what you don't want to be. Rey: Woah. Later: Ghost Yoda: Well, you did. Luke: Part of me still wants to hop into that X-Wing and go save my friends. Ghost Yoda: Ignore your own words you do! Feel like go you should? Feel like your friends you should help? Then do! What you think is right, you must do. Saved your friends on Bespin, you did. Cost you a hand, it did. Change that decision, would you? Luke: Knowing what I knew then? No. It was the right thing to do. Ghost Yoda: And suffer now on Crait your friends do. Leave them, will you? Threatens them, your apprentice does. Stay here, can you? Luke: No. I can't fight their war. But I can face my apprentice. Ghost Yoda: Your X-Wing, you will need. Luke: Yes. (Force-lifts the X-Wing) Ghost Yoda: Learned well, you have. Luke: I had a good teacher. Ghost Yoda: So does the girl. Go now. Your destiny make. See you soon, I will. Luke: Thank you, Master Yoda. For everything. Ghost Yoda: May the Force be with you. Luke then flies out to Crait, faces Ren in person, demonstrates that he has the ability to single-handedly destroy the entire attacking force of AT-ATs and what not, but chooses not to in an attempt to show Ben that 'power' isn't in what you can break, but in what you choose not to break, and what you choose to try to fix. He then holds off Ren in a duel, defending only, while his friends bugger out the back way, with Rey clearing the way of rocks or whatever. Once he sees, in the Force, his friends boarding the Falcon, he smiles, closes his eyes, closes down his saber, and goes out old Ben Kenobi.
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Nov 4, 2020 20:41
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Can the next episode air yet? We're at the "im posting my fanfic" stage.
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Nov 4, 2020 21:18
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Its Rinaldo posted:Or Minsc. Or Don Carnage! Or Scar for a verse of Be Prepared because Jeremy Irons' voice gave out
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Nov 4, 2020 21:21
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Vinylshadow posted:Or Scar for a verse of Be Prepared because Jeremy Irons' voice gave out Specifically right after Irons blew his voice out shouting "you won't get a sniff without me!" at the top of his lungs. To Cummings' credit he does a really good impression. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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Nov 4, 2020 21:27
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Arcsquad12 posted:Specifically right after Irons blew his voice out shouting "you won't get a sniff without me!" at the top of his lungs. To Cummings' credit he dies a really good impression. I've reached the point where I can sorta recognize certain character voices and there's enough Cummings there for me to go "That's not Scar" - as a kid, I never noticed though There's a specific twang to Cummings' performance where he's almost edging into the Tigger voice
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Nov 4, 2020 21:39
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Man, I re watched a bunch of season 1 and it really holds up. I love the scenes where Mando is fighting but clearly has accepted a most probable death. The amount of body language acting is fantastic.
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Nov 4, 2020 21:47
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Arcsquad12 posted:Can the next episode air yet? We're at the "im posting my fanfic" stage. This reminds me of a topic in the game of thrones thread. So, on Tatooine, you hear about Moisture farms. Are these underground farms where fungus and whatnot are grown or are these more like greenhouses? How many farms are like this so they can feed the population? The banthas have flat teeth like cattle so are there plants growing underneath or in small bits of oasis? This thread needs Agri-Chat.
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Nov 4, 2020 22:23
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DogsInSpace! posted:This reminds me of a topic in the game of thrones thread. So, on Tatooine, you hear about Moisture farms. Are these underground farms where fungus and whatnot are grown or are these more like greenhouses? How many farms are like this so they can feed the population? The banthas have flat teeth like cattle so are there plants growing underneath or in small bits of oasis? This thread needs Agri-Chat. And this reminds me of this old video claiming that Fallout: New Vegas was much more interesting than Fallout 3 because of the way it fleshed out the world. It even has a bit of agri-chat as the game tacitly addresses the question of "what do they eat?" It's a bit long at almost 16 minutes, but if you have Opinions on the Fallout series then it's a pretty interesting watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqrV0tyOVKU
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DogsInSpace! posted:This reminds me of a topic in the game of thrones thread. So, on Tatooine, you hear about Moisture farms. Are these underground farms where fungus and whatnot are grown or are these more like greenhouses? How many farms are like this so they can feed the population? The banthas have flat teeth like cattle so are there plants growing underneath or in small bits of oasis? This thread needs Agri-Chat. I always thought it was just gathering water, presumably from the air.
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Nov 4, 2020 22:37
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Davros1 posted:I always thought it was just gathering water, presumably from the air. Yeah I think it’s this. They have moisture vaporators (“worlds biggest bong, call 555-LUKE”) and they sell the water to buy blue milk, slave robots, and other necessities of life. Remember, Tatooine is pretty much Lucas’ read on Dune.
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Nov 4, 2020 22:41
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It's literally farming moisture. Tatooine has virtually no surface water (1% in both canons), so they use the vaporators to condense it from the atmosphere to gather. It can then be sold or used by the farmers, including for hydroponics.
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Also, Wookieepedia has gotten a high-res image of the new Boba face. His weapons are also a Tusken gaffi stick and scoped rifle, but the robe looks like a generic one.
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Nov 4, 2020 23:50
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Star Wars needs more kaiju fights.
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Nov 5, 2020 00:24
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Shneak posted:Star Wars needs more kaiju fights. If you haven't already, you might wanna check out the Zillo Beast arc in The Clone Wars.
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Nov 5, 2020 00:39
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Apparently the season 2 premiere saw a 25% drop in viewership from the season 1 premiere and that, uh, seems bad?
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Nov 5, 2020 00:49
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Apparently the season 2 premiere saw a 25% drop in viewership from the season 1 premiere and that, uh, seems bad? We're missing the Werner Herzog draw I'm 25% sadder about the show with him gone
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Nov 5, 2020 00:56
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Apparently the season 2 premiere saw a 25% drop in viewership from the season 1 premiere and that, uh, seems bad? Also aired right before the US election so people are a little pre-occupied.
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Nov 5, 2020 00:57
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chitoryu12 posted:Also, Wookieepedia has gotten a high-res image of the new Boba face. Punished Boba... gently caress yeah.
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chitoryu12 posted:Also, Wookieepedia has gotten a high-res image of the new Boba face. He mugged a bunch of Jawas for that robe
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Apparently the season 2 premiere saw a 25% drop in viewership from the season 1 premiere and that, uh, seems bad? That sounds wrong, I think I read yesterday it was about that much more than the season one premiere. Edit: https://www.cbr.com/the-mandalorian-season-2-streaming-numbers-the-boys-stranger-things/ And for what it’s worth, that’s coming from a third party company polling their own users. Teek fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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Nov 5, 2020 01:00
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Apparently the season 2 premiere saw a 25% drop in viewership from the season 1 premiere and that, uh, seems bad? And where did you hear that from? I'm just curious because the QAnon-offshoot that calls itself the Fandom Menace loves to trot out that very peculiarly specific "25%" number about things they don't like. It's one of their memes. They also claimed Star Trek: Discovery lost 25% of its audience from last season, even though streaming services like CBS All Access and Disney+ don't actually publish viewership numbers, so nobody actually knows how well the shows are doing.
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nine-gear crow posted:And where did you hear that from? I'm just curious because the QAnon-offshoot that calls itself the Fandom Menace loves to trot out that very peculiarly specific "25%" number about things they don't like. It's one of their memes. They also claimed Star Trek: Discovery lost 25% of its audience from last season, even though streaming services like CBS All Access and Disney+ don't actually publish viewership numbers, so nobody actually knows how well the shows are doing. It’s from observer.com. Granted, I don’t know if that’s a reputable source. E: like, from what I’m reading, this isn’t an unusual drop off in viewership for a streaming service, because the first season is what people are going to watch first, so you have inflated numbers for the first season, and then you have an entire 7-8 months of build-up between that add to the previous seasons, etc. etc. it’s why a lot of streaming shows meet the 3 seasons/cancellation fate, afaik. Mywhatacleanturtle fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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Nov 5, 2020 02:25
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Jared Kushner's rag? I wouldn't trust them to report their name right.
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Nov 5, 2020 02:35
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I asked this in the last thread just before it got closed but is there anyway to watch this show in 1080p on a desktop computer? I'm a bit cheesed off that I can't get higher than 720p through a drat browser because of DRM... (Edge doesn't do 1080p despite all the claims it can)
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Mulva posted:Jared Kushner's rag? Oh, that’s Kushner’s? Lol. Lmao. Google sure was in a hurry to legitimize them, for whatever it’s worth.
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teagone posted:Maverick Jedi master who is clearly super talented and in touch with the force that tells the council to gently caress off and that's the reason why they're not on the council is a cool concept. But Qui-Gon somehow ended up just being so booooring. It’s not his fault! You try doing a movie about a trade blockade in front of a green screen the entire time! 
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Nov 5, 2020 06:47
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Heh, perhaps you just haven’t heard of... grey jedi. Smartest bestest Jedi guys, but they can shoot lightning if they feel like it. And Rey sucks cause she’s a Mary Sue 
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Hazo posted:Heh, perhaps you just haven’t heard of... grey jedi. Smartest bestest Jedi guys, but they can shoot lightning if they feel like it. Kyle Katarn! But also rogue one essentially deleted kyle katarn so 
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Nov 5, 2020 07:54
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Doesn't mean they can't pull an MCU and reimagine him with a slightly different origin story!
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Nov 5, 2020 10:20
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Grey Jedi always felt like "if there are two sides it must mean the middle is the smartest place to be!" nonsense to me.
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Nov 5, 2020 10:21
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socialsecurity posted:Grey Jedi always felt like "if there are two sides it must mean the middle is the smartest place to be!" nonsense to me. This is also a “who gives a gently caress what George Lucas says”/appeal to authority thing, but when asked if Grey Jedi were a thing Lucas unequivocally said no.
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Nov 5, 2020 10:25
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Grey Jedi is just a delaying tactic that inevitably turns to either the light or the dark. The solution is to forgo the religious tenets of the Jedi and the Sith and kill The Force itself for being the manifestation of authorial intent aka Fate.
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Nov 5, 2020 10:51
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I’m not sure if my disdain and mockery came through in that post. Grey Jedi is the stupidest loving concept that’s entirely made up by dorks who point to moody light-side Jedi like Jolee and Ahsoka and think they’ve cracked some kind of secret Force Konami code. Every “Would you be a Jedi or Sith” poll is inevitably filled with comments from  idiots who want their M/Gary Sue characters to be a noble good guy who by the way can also dispense awesome Punisher-style justice. Look at what I just effort posted. I’m so sick of all these Star Words.
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Hazo posted:I’m not sure if my disdain and mockery came through in that post. Grey Jedi is the stupidest loving concept that’s entirely made up by dorks who point to moody light-side Jedi like Jolee and Ahsoka and think they’ve cracked some kind of secret Force Konami code. Kreia was cool. I think Grey Jedi can be really good, it's just hard to do right.
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Grey Jedi just sounds like “any Jedi that manages to question the Jedi Order without immediately converting completely to the Dark Side and looking for a Sith Lord on Craigslist”
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Nov 5, 2020 15:28
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Kreia was cool. I think Grey Jedi can be really good, it's just hard to do right. Kreia is a Jedi master who became a master of Sith. She’s not a “gray jedi” or whatever, she’s just a temporarily embarrassed dark lord.
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There's certainly plenty of room to explore the idea of a morally conflicted Jedi, or a force user that doesn't adhere to the tenets of any given order...but yeah, the phrase "Grey Jedi" almost universally refers to some manner of OC or MMO character who's Totally A Good Guy, but has all the high DPS Force powers and sometimes picks the 'witty but rear end in a top hat-ish' dialog options. (Plus, look at the name itself - Grey Jedi. Nobody says Grey Sith. Or Grey Force User. There's always the implication of 'A Good Guy.....but')
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