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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Yeah, but I still don’t know what The Pale is so I’m not sure. It's disco, baby.
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i think i used to know but i forgot
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In his defense, the first experience I compared this game to was Fallen London/Sunless Sea, which were also done by Failbetter Games. Both games' writing have a very strong "voice", just like Disco Elysium does. I really enjoyed that aspect in each game very much. They also sort of throw you into a world where things don't quite work the same. Everyone else, apart from the player, is used to it already and doesn't see it as quite that strange anymore. Roumba fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Nov 5, 2020 |
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Nov 5, 2020 00:28
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Thanks for reminding me to try Sunless Skies again
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Nov 5, 2020 00:43
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Sunless Skies is a better game, but does lack Alexis Kennedy if it was his writing that was magical for you. His writing is very good and evocative. On the other hand it means he doesn't get money from it, which considering all the allegations of abuse and manipulation, may well be a plus. If you want details, google exists or check the Cultist Simulator thread and go back a page or three. I suppose the main similarity that stands out to me, is the confidence to have new Things with names, and the possibility the player will not find or understand the explanations. While the whole text still usually feels cohesive despite the possible gaps.
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Nov 5, 2020 01:26
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Looking through his wiki page, I haven't played anything of his so I don't have anything to miss.
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Alexis Kennedy is at best a sex pest, so he can go gently caress himself.
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Rereading some of the latest pages made me realize that I either forgot what I had grasped of the backstory of some of the characters, or I never understood it in the first place. Can someone break down, as if you were explaining it to a very dumb man, what was Evrart's plan and what did Klassje do before the events of the game? Maybe even what the player character can do about it?
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paradoxGentleman posted:what was Evrart's plan to help harry get his gun
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So, to find out in game mostly you just need to talk to them more. For Evrart, share info between Evrart and Joyce is a big unlocking step for info. The Union is being ridiculous and over the top because they plan to openly and if need be violently take the docks and probably all of Martinaise from Wild Pines and companies in general. The money to sustain this is coming from funnelling drugs into the rest of Revachol, to people like La Puta Madre. Klaasje is less clear. Your skills possibly overreact after they first realise she's got you wrapped around her finger. But the reading that she's lies all the way down is not invalid, though I don't buy it personally. It seems pretty likely her story of her past is true. She did industrial espionage and/or sabotage, hosed over a company so bad it ruined a bunch of lives and drove some people to commit suicide over it.
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Tylana posted:Klaasje is less clear. Your skills possibly overreact after they first realise she's got you wrapped around her finger. But the reading that she's lies all the way down is not invalid, though I don't buy it personally. It seems pretty likely her story of her past is true. She did industrial espionage and/or sabotage, hosed over a company so bad it ruined a bunch of lives and drove some people to commit suicide over it.
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Tylana posted:Klaasje is less clear. Your skills possibly overreact after they first realise she's got you wrapped around her finger. But the reading that she's lies all the way down is not invalid, though I don't buy it personally. It seems pretty likely her story of her past is true. She did industrial espionage and/or sabotage, hosed over a company so bad it ruined a bunch of lives and drove some people to commit suicide over it. When I got to the end of the game and found her ID but with a different name, I figured she was still doing espionage for someone and the ID you found was for her cover (or backup) identity. She's a master manipulator and I feel like she would have definitely had a second set of lies ready to go if the first ones failed to land with the second set of lies being 'dialled in on Harry' better. Her still being undercover can also be consistent with the Moralintern agents springing her at the end of the game if you interpret that as them recovering an asset not taking her off to a shallow grave. I like this theory (especially because it builds on the idea that the skills are fallible) but there's not much evidence to support it, so I am curious whether anyone with more game time has come across anything that expands on/contradicts this idea.
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I always leant towards being more sympathetic towards Klassje after someone pointed out that her somkeing spot is right in the firing line of the sniper. She's clearly a fairly accomplished liar, but she seems genuinely upset about Lely's death to the point of being mildly suicidal.
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Nov 5, 2020 19:00
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I forget the exact context but during the endgame the deserter will even mention that, since the murder, Klaasje has often looked more-or-less directly at him while he watched through the scope. she knows someone's there and she's in a state of mind where staring down the barrel of a sniper rifle seems like a fine time.
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World War Mammories posted:I forget the exact context but during the endgame the deserter will even mention that, since the murder, Klaasje has often looked more-or-less directly at him while he watched through the scope. she knows someone's there and she's in a state of mind where staring down the barrel of a sniper rifle seems like a fine time. She's a million billion miles away and has no idea he's there and he's a dirty old pervert dude
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Nov 5, 2020 19:07
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Arrhythmia posted:She's a million billion miles away and has no idea he's there and he's a dirty old pervert dude She knows a shot came from that direction so well she can make a diagram for you. She likely suspects she is being watched, and may even see the glinting of the scope. I doubt she cares exactly what kind of a person fired it.
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Mr. Lobe posted:She knows a shot came from that direction so well she can make a diagram for you. She likely suspects she is being watched, and may even see the glinting of the scope. I doubt she cares exactly what kind of a person fired it. I totally missed the ",since the murder" clause, lol.
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Nov 5, 2020 19:10
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Arrhythmia posted:I totally missed the ",since the murder" clause, lol. I totally fake edited to add that clause so it ain't your fault 
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Arrhythmia posted:She's a million billion miles away and has no idea he's there and he's a dirty old pervert dude ENCYLCOPEDIA [Challenging: Failure] Whoah! WHOAH-WHOAH-WHOAH! Hold your horses little poster! 1. "What is a mile?" 2. "What's a pervert?" 3. "What's a... billion?" 4. Don't be ridiculous, I know all these things.
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What's a "Dude?"
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Games › Disco Elysium - Don't be ridiculous, I know all of those things
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Finally, beat it. That was quite a ride. I probably shouldn't have binged the last few hours because there was just so much content going on. I may do another playthrough, I have questions about endings. Is there endings besides "the killer was a communist who has gone crazy because of a cryptid bug?", because that was way out of left(ist) field I played as a high Phys/Motorics cop with high Shivers, Physical Instrument, and some Visual Calculus. Will there be a significantly different story/outcomes if I go like high Psyche or Intellect? I know the generally story will stay the same, but if I'm going to play again I'd like to diverge it significantly. I didn't even unlock like a 3rd of the Thought Cabinets. Is there some trick to doing that? Those are my favorite thing. All in all, great game. End got real wacky, but maybe that was my play style that caused that.
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Nov 6, 2020 01:23
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One ending. Think of it as a thematic one.
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Was there a way for me to find the ceramic armor helmet and scope, or do they always wash up in the cryptid’s cache?
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Was there a way for me to find the ceramic armor helmet and scope, or do they always wash up in the cryptid’s cache? IIRC there's some esoteric triggers that would make them not wash up, but, yeah, that's how you find them.
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Nov 6, 2020 01:49
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Remember that this is more of a noir than a whodunnit,
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There is a saying in Estonian: fear has big eyes.
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JustaDamnFool posted:I always leant towards being more sympathetic towards Klassje after someone pointed out that her somkeing spot is right in the firing line of the sniper. She's clearly a fairly accomplished liar, but she seems genuinely upset about Lely's death to the point of being mildly suicidal. Yeah this was a cool idea, thanks to whoever proffered that
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:
You'll follow some different branches because you may not be able to solve problems in the same ways you did your first time through, but the larger beats will remain the same. The main thing is that every interaction along the way will be colored very differently, because all the voices suffusing those conversations are different. It's also likely that there are at least one or two really significant conversations or moments that you didn't happen to catch on your first playthrough, unless you were very, very thorough. Learning about some of those after I finished the game re-contextualized a lot of it for me. Brosnan fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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EorayMel posted:There is a saying in Estonian: fear has big eyes. this game is just too good i might need a third playthrough just to soak in the atmosphere and music and dialogue again
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Brosnan posted:You'll follow some different branches because you may not be able to solve problems in the same ways you did your first time through, but the larger beats will remain the same. The main thing is that every interaction along the way will be colored very differently, because all the voices suffusing those conversations are different. It's also likely that there are at least one or two really significant conversations or moments that you didn't happen to catch on your first playthrough, unless you were very, very thorough. Learning about some of those after I finished the game re-contextualized a lot of it for me. If I only plan on doing one more play through, which would be the biggest departure from a phys build with heavy shivers? Logic/encyclopedia/Conceptual? Or Empathy/inland empire?
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:If I only plan on doing one more play through, which would be the biggest departure from a phys build with heavy shivers? My core playthrough was like 4/5/1/2 with Volition tagged. I started out planning to go hard on Logic/Empathy, but Inland Empire adds a lot to the game and I started putting points there too. Come to think of it, maybe this is a helpful way to decide: https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/f0z2oa/total_number_of_passive_checks_in_the_game/ Looks like Empathy, Inland Empire, Logic, and Rhetoric all have a very high number of passive checks that are Medium or above, so those would give you a different playthrough flavor.
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i don't know how people play this game without inland empire. shivers is pretty cool too i guess but ie just takes the cake
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Good God how did I miss the children’s primer the first time. Kim, I know the alphabet now.
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I went high encyclopedia and inland empire with good logic and some art cop thrown in. It worked and contrasted nicely with a shivers / half light second play.
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:If I only plan on doing one more play through, which would be the biggest departure from a phys build with heavy shivers? Each characteristic brings its own twist on the investigation, though the beats and details of the case remain the same. The main thing is that you will find different clues or progress in different ways. Inland Empire is the spookiest of the bunch, I'd recommend it. Just remember, don't take off that ugly tie...
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the tie has the best redemption arc in the game imo
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christmas boots posted:the tie has the best redemption arc in the game imo  christmas boots posted:Remember that this is more of a noir than a whodunnit, At the risk of sounding like a complete dunce, what's the difference? One's more about the mystery itself rather than the job of being a detective in a run down world? DrDraxium fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:If I only plan on doing one more play through, which would be the biggest departure from a phys build with heavy shivers? My first (and currently only) playthrough was as a 4/4/2/2 art cop with Perception as my signature skills, I had a pretty great time with that, might be worth checking out. Nothing quite like going to the bookstore and critiquing the plot of every cheap pulp novel you can get your artsy little hands on.
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DrDraxium posted:At the risk of sounding like a complete dunce, what's the difference? One's more about the mystery itself rather than the job of being a detective in a run down world? Well, yes. In a whodunit the mystery is deliberately designed to be a puzzle the audience can solve with the clues provided, even if the solution requires a little lateral thinking. Noir is more a matter of tone and personal struggle. For example, it would be a hell of a stretch to call Murder She Wrote or Poirot "noir." And as whodunits as a genre must be "fair," in that the audience must be able to piece together the solution before it is revealed, the entire reveal of the Deserter and the anticlimax of that entire plotline, as contrasted with the highs and lows of Harry's emotional and personal journey, should put to rest the idea that DE was ever about the mystery itself. E: To be fair I wouldn't call DE noir either.
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