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Straight White Shark posted:I binged through FFAK after the recent discussion and... eh??? It has some fantastic scenes but man the filler:substance ratio is a lot to wade through. When I first read it (last page) I didn't feel this at all, and was enthralled. I binged the entirety in 2 sessions, and only stopped because I was getting extremely tired. It was just so easy to from page to the next page. Looking back I I think I might have had this problem after all. I'm sure I missed things because I just sped along without being to tell with parts were substantive. The time I actively felt it got rough was somewhere in the 2000-2500 page era where it there was a ton of exposition world building. Until that point I thought it had done an excellent job of informing the world, even if it did have a amnesiac. It was pretty funny near the end of that era when there was an intelligence briefing with an actual "As you know..." phrase in the wild.
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fun hater posted:oh thank you...! in shockingly good company in this post I am also still reading AGS
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love it or hate it, you're readin it. thanks!
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Rand Brittain posted:I'm going to go all the way out there and say that Octopus Pie is without question the greatest webcomic, considered as a piece of art, of all time. If you take the actual images into account I completely agree but if we’re just going off words it’s still Achewood.
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The Witch Lives is probably the best single webcom of all time though.
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Nov 3, 2020 23:42
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Given the context that is. Otherwise it’s the achewood with hot tub brawls.
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Achewood is definitely the best webcomic you can get in print
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HookedOnChthonics posted:Achewood is definitely the best webcomic you can get in print
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Achewood, Homestuck, the works of Oyvind Thorsby. Octopus Pie also rules and is up there but it doesn't enter my head unbidden as frequently as the highs of those comics.
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I'd say that Homestuck is the most influential webcomic, certainly, both for the medium of webcomics and for internet and fandom culture as a whole, but Hussie has an... inconsistent relationship with quality.
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I wish Homestuck had an editor. Cutting huge chunks from the latter acts would've improved it so much.
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So John Allison's Wicked Things ended today, and I've posted my initial thoughts on it in the indie comics thread along with some pictures of a Lottie / Mildred comic Allison is working on that I got from his instagram. Also from Allison's instagram I found this horrifying picture. I'm spoilering it to save the fainthearted of you.  THE FISHMAN HAS BRED!
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drat all fool men, who spend their days wondering if they could, and not if they should.
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Speaking of, John Allison's Tackleford serial (from Bobbins through Wicked Things) is deserving of a spot among the inner circle of Best Webcomics, even though they've been print works at times (Giant Days, Wicked Things, maaaaybe Steeple). Also god loving damnit, how was Des allowed to breed.
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habeasdorkus posted:Speaking of, John Allison's Tackleford serial (from Bobbins through Wicked Things) is deserving of a spot among the inner circle of Best Webcomics, even though they've been print works at times (Giant Days, Wicked Things, maaaaybe Steeple).
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So this came up on the tradgames discord:quote:In dumbass webcomics news, Dumbing of Age just introduced an nb character who immediately went on to do a babby's first psychology class psychoanalysis of the characters, and I cannot for the life of me tell if David Willis wants me to like them Could someone look at it for me, since it will almost certainly be more entertaining then actually looking at it myself. Especially if he made a transgender character that's more annoying - not least to me as a trans person - then Carla. 
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everyone in that comic is a bit of an oversharing rear end in a top hat and they specifically are a psych major who likes being as much of an overanalytical dick as every psych major you've ever met, but also them being a bit of an rear end in a top hat to people is plot-relevant apparently in ways that are getting set up for the future
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Booster is Friendly Mike and it owns.
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aegof posted:Booster is Friendly Mike and it owns. owns does not belong in that sentence.
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aegof posted:Booster is Friendly Mike and it owns. i'm hoping they're going to talk to amber and shape up for their first bit of Actual Plot Time given how bad she's reacting to how they're acting
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Why the gently caress does Dumbing of age even keep a fanbase when there's so many comics by actual queer creators doing those themes better then that train wreck It aggressively bugs me.
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I attempted to read Feast For A King the other day. Got to about page 600 before I decided it was too lol random for me to enjoy and bailed. I actually enjoyed the faces, but the dialogue in particular felt pretty lacking.
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Dumbing of Age rides off of Willis's previous career of collecting an audience and learning to be regular with updates if nothing else. It's not really a good gag comic, it's pretty garbage for a soap opera, and it's too surreal to be a slice of life. I know I've heard Willis's personal story of growing up in a very conservative christian community resonates with some people, but that's its only unique trait. I don't really think much about like which webcomic is best, or what I'd call art, but I think if I were making a museum and had to put in an archetypal example of a webcomic, I'd put something like Zebragirl. It starts out trying to be just another newspaper comic, and then develops into something more and complicated, showing an evolution as an artist and as a writer, and the comic reflecting shifts in the creator's personal opinions as they grow and eventually going through a massive shift in tone and being wrapped up, but then there's still a slow drip of further pages long after it was supposed to be over. Sluggy Freelance is even more archetypal because it keeps going through cycles of growth, evolution, regression, and wild tone shifts, but you can't put it in a museum because unless you spear it dead it'll breach containment and overgrow the entire building as a dense thicket of thorns.
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Dumbing of Age is bad but I'm finally willing to admit I enjoy it.flatluigi posted:i'm hoping they're going to talk to amber and shape up for their first bit of Actual Plot Time given how bad she's reacting to how they're acting Maybe! I'm not sure any of the Ambers are capable of giving that kind of talk, at least not the ones who were around last time we saw hers. Or even if that kinda talk can happen, since Booster's probably pretty pleased with themselves right now. They ended an emotional knife fight by punching everyone present in the ribs, or they made a bunch of people unhappy and uncomfortable. Whether they were trying to redirect the attention Ruth was getting or were being a jerk for jerkin's sake, it looks like they did what they wanted to do. I do wonder what his read on Amber's gonna be, since he got everyone else's vulnerabilities perfectly from just minutes of interaction.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Dumbing of Age rides off of Willis's previous career of collecting an audience and learning to be regular with updates if nothing else. It's not really a good gag comic, it's pretty garbage for a soap opera, and it's too surreal to be a slice of life. I know I've heard Willis's personal story of growing up in a very conservative christian community resonates with some people, but that's its only unique trait. Isn't it supposed to be in final stretch?
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StratGoatCom posted:Why the gently caress does Dumbing of age even keep a fanbase when there's so many comics by actual queer creators doing those themes better then that train wreck given that willis announced that they're going by both he and they pronouns a few months back idk what exactly you're trying to say by "actual" queer creators
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flatluigi posted:given that willis announced that they're going by both he and they pronouns a few months back idk what exactly you're trying to say by "actual" queer creators This was a development that occurred long after I'd given up on the comic. I simply didn't know.
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I will say Booster has qualities that make it so that it's conceivable anyone would even want to associate with them at all so that's a step up from Mike who I hope doesn't miraculously re-enter the comic somehow because he's the fuckin worst.
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This conversation made me try to read Dumbing of Age (it has failed to hold me beyond a few strips in the past) and, I have to say, while it has some enjoyable soap opera plots, it's weird how arbitrarily violent everyone is in the early years. People constantly get into fistfights or attack each other with weapons over minor disagreements.
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Android Blues posted:This conversation made me try to read Dumbing of Age (it has failed to hold me beyond a few strips in the past) and, I have to say, while it has some enjoyable soap opera plots, it's weird how arbitrarily violent everyone is in the early years. People constantly get into fistfights or attack each other with weapons over minor disagreements. Willis badly wants to write superhero soap opera and I don't know why he won't let himself
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Well, he kinda did. In each of his comics. Back in It's Walky it was even more straightforwardly a superhero story with SEMME, a secret organization of alien abductees who were granted powers by alien experiments. Joyce joined up after developing amnesia from trying to block out the memory of the head alien forcing her to watch porn videos. Her power was a jetpack. Willis's main problem is that he can't keep focused on a tone or story and keeps hopping around constantly in a way that's very jarring, so one day it's simple gags with farts and butts, the next there's a complex relationship drama, the next day it's all action with car chases or fights, and then the next day it's something all dark and severe, before going back to farts and butts.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Well, he kinda did. In each of his comics. Back in It's Walky it was even more straightforwardly a superhero story with SEMME, a secret organization of alien abductees who were granted powers by alien experiments. Joyce joined up after developing amnesia from trying to block out the memory of the head alien forcing her to watch porn videos. Her power was a jetpack. It's a bit weird that having multiple comics featuring alternate versions of the same characters going at once would be his way of helping deal with that and keeping things separate. Like, you would think that is how he would manage what you describe, but it shows up within the same comics sometimes too.
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Roland Jones posted:It's a bit weird that having multiple comics featuring alternate versions of the same characters going at once would be his way of helping deal with that and keeping things separate. Like, you would think that is how he would manage what you describe, but it shows up within the same comics sometimes too. Well I mean the other one going "at once" right now are just old strips he did in like the 00s and he's just reposting them one at a time like a normal webcomic which is weird but hey it's his prerogative I guess. But yeah, picking a tone and sticking with it has always been an issue for the dude.
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I guess how I'd describe his balance of genres as what you'd get if you were going to college in the 90s, making dumb jokes with your friends, and at the same time you were reading comics as they were going through a real descent into much darker subject material while also watching children's cartoons.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I guess how I'd describe his balance of genres as what you'd get if you were going to college in the 90s, making dumb jokes with your friends, and at the same time you were reading comics as they were going through a real descent into much darker subject material while also watching children's cartoons. Well he started drawing comics in the 90s, and he loves Batman and Transformers so this almost fits to a T
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TwoPair posted:Well I mean the other one going "at once" right now are just old strips he did in like the 00s and he's just reposting them one at a time like a normal webcomic which is weird but hey it's his prerogative I guess. Ah, my mistake then. I thought he had at least one or two besides DoA going at once at some point; didn't realize they were just reruns.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Well, he kinda did. In each of his comics. Back in It's Walky it was even more straightforwardly a superhero story with SEMME, a secret organization of alien abductees who were granted powers by alien experiments. Joyce joined up after developing amnesia from trying to block out the memory of the head alien forcing her to watch porn videos. Her power was a jetpack. That's my point--he had a perfectly good superhero soap comic going that could accommodate everything he wants to cram into his comics. Then he ended it and went back to nominally slice-of-life comics but there are still superheroes for some reason.
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flatluigi posted:given that willis announced that they're going by both he and they pronouns a few months back idk what exactly you're trying to say by "actual" queer creators Is he nonbinary or genderqueer or something? He/they is very common for just about any masculine person, it only signifies you don't mind being called "they." Doesn't make you gay. I don't know anything about Willis or their personal life, but you gotta be a little deeper in than just gender neutral pronouns to be a queer creator IMHO.
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I'd be wary of trying to suss out real queer creators, lest you end up with the situation like the woman who wrote the Love, Simon book who was forced to publicly come out as bisexual because people thought she wasn't queer enough to write a gay YA story. And from personal experience, I was writing queer fiction long before I came out to myself. Like, he/they pronouns in a bio gives me enough pause that I'm not going to assume anything about Willis's identity here to use it as criticism of the comic. Mercury Hat fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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