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Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Karzelek. Its three year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before. (Star Trek the original series came out in ‘66, so I assume we have that if we got Star Wars  )
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Hot drat, look at all that corbomite! We gotta start looking into researching its applications, if this poo poo is a room temp superconductor. Definitely wanna spin up infrastructure and immigration to Luna to really start mining and manufacturing with the stuff, it's gonna be a gold rush once we find something to DO with it. And that was literally our first and easiest survey, God knows what's waiting in Mars or Venus. Depending on what we find we may have to look into that NOMAD Venera proposal again...
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Nov 7, 2020 14:53
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The people of the Lunar Socialist Republic are loving HYPE
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Nov 7, 2020 15:09
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2 million corbomite--at high accessibility, to boot!--is enough to keep us going for a looooooong time. Good news. Don't expect similar finds on Venus and Mars. It's possible, but usually the inner system isn't that dense in TNEs.
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Nov 7, 2020 15:13
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Speech by Academician Kodos upon the inauguration of the research project tasked with the improvement of TNE mining. Comrades, all of you are aware of the current crisis faced by our ongoing effort in TNE-based industrialisation. Our demand of Neutronium has outstripped our ability to mine this mineral and depleted all stock we managed to accumulate. Without such a super-hard material we cannot produce the nearly indestructible machine-tools and wear-resistant bearings needed for any kind of modern applications. While implementing purpose-build machinery for the productions of TNEs will be a necessary first step into the future of mankind, we must boldly investigate further into the scientific mysteries of these minerals as well as the surrounding phenomena to achieve a better understanding of the cosmos. TNEs are condensing out of the Aether inside of gravity-wells such as planets, asteroids or even the stars themself. Most curiously, this process is not as uniform as it seems, leaving distinct loads of TNEs, surprisingly similar to the conventional minerals we are mining right now. By sinking shafts and galleries into the space dimensionally 'adjacent' to such a load and installing the machinery to penetrate the dimensional barrier, we are able to distil these materials into realspace where we can put them to use. Obviously this process pays little or no respect to the surface-features of the planetary body in question, with deposits located under the oceans, mountains or deep within the mantle, further complicating the extraction. By understanding the way these deposits are formed, we will be able to better understand the extend and location of these bodies of TNEs, we will enable a much more precise and economic placement of the access-shafts, conserving materials required for scaffolding and allow for a more economic placement of the distillation-plants. The design of these plants themselves will need to be formalized, replacing the crude and improvised pre-TNE-plants as well as the individually build and designed generation of mining-equipment with a modular, mass-produced system of distillation-plants as well as formalized set of operating procedures, configurations and manuals, allowing each individual plant inside a mining-complex to be fine-tuned to the location and desired product. Having such a universal system of equipment will obviously have even more benefits, as we can replace the current apprenticeship system of training with modern, scientifically managed schools for future mining-engineers with safe training-equipment, a formal syllabus as well as theoretical and practical textbooks. Comrades, we have a monumental task ahead of us, don't dawdle, mankind requires nothing less than our utmost to deliver upon these promises made.
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Nov 7, 2020 16:14
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Asterite34 posted:Luna to really start mining There's still a lot of it on Earth at higher accessibility, and even if we mine everything we'll likely have a stockpile that can last a while. A mine on Earth produces all minerals at once, a mine on Luna would only produce corbomite and duranium. Zurai posted:2 million corbomite--at high accessibility, to boot!--is enough to keep us going for a looooooong time. Good news. I don't know, I find Venus more often than not has huge deposits of half the minerals at low accessibility. Kinda crap, I usually skip it unless there's high-ish accessibility gallicite or mercassium. Steve did specifically arrange mineral generation to not put too much in Sol and force people to get out of it. Sanev.Khan fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Nov 7, 2020 |
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Nov 7, 2020 16:15
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Sanev.Khan posted:There's still a lot of it on Earth at higher accessibility, and even if we mine everything we'll likely have a stockpile that can last a while. A mine on Earth produces all minerals at once, a mine on Luna would only produce corbomite and duranium. True, Earth's deposits are more accessible and currently more than meet our demand. However, Luna provides a test-bed for research into off-world mining techniques, with a fairly short supply chain of necessary supplies and quick radio access and travel time for experts in the field. Plus I'm sure the Lunar Socialist Republic would appreciate the bootstrapping of the local economy.
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Nov 7, 2020 16:42
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I can confirm that based on my experience Venus tends to get millions of tons of stuff at 0.1 or 0.2 accessibility. Not worth doing anything with except waiting for civilians to put a mining colony there or at most chucking some automines and a mass driver at it to get a trickle of minerals. From the official Aurora forums there's a 5% chance of ruins on Mars,3% on Mercury, 1% on Titan or Ganymede, and lower than that on a couple other bodies.
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Nov 7, 2020 16:47
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Comrades, do not be tempted to follow the path of least resistance. To do the thing that is easy because it is easy. The development of Lunagrad and future colonies is vital to the very spirit of the Comintern. Cooperation! Solidarity! The less we need to mine the stockpiles of Earth, the better prepared we will be for the future that is fast approaching. The Communist Interstellar.
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Nov 7, 2020 16:58
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While the Kalmar Union agrees the findings of the Lunar survey is good news, we disagree that we should rush into mining operations for now. As we understand it the specific minerals are not currently in high demand, and besides does not the population of Luna have their hands full with their current facilities and infrastructure? Additional infrastructure and immigrants to Lunagrad should not be neglected, of course, but there is much to do and a limited capacity to do them with, a long-term plan with slow and steady growth to be ready by the time we have need for additional minerals of that type would be better than an immediate gold rush to Lunagrad.
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Nov 7, 2020 18:24
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A limited production run of two mass drivers and moving one of them plus a mine to Lunagrad just to play with the super basics of off-Earth mining and mineral transfer might be helpful both as a mechanical illustration and narrative beat but yeah there's no need for a gold rush.
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Nov 7, 2020 18:30
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For reference Luna is at population capacity without a new production run of infrastructure, and virtually all of them are currently employed, either with basic subsistence or in work related to the Ground Forces Training Facility you moved there. You will spend large amounts of corbomite on industrial conversions (specifically the administrative centers you're building), but it's low enough on the queue that by the time you start spending it you'll have a huge surplus stockpiled, enough to cover all current planned expenditures and then some.Grizzwold posted:Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Karzelek. Its three year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before. The entire run of the original Star Trek was produced before the timelines diverged and exists exactly as it does in our timeline. It's very popular in reruns. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Nov 7, 2020 |
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Nov 7, 2020 19:00
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Mister Bates posted:The entire run of the original Star Trek was produced before the timelines diverged and exists exactly as it does in our timeline. It's very popular in reruns. we would like to propose the filming of a sequel series that subtly establishes a link between the comintern and the federation. perhaps some sort of... next generation to expand on things
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Nov 7, 2020 19:07
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LostCosmonaut posted:I can confirm that based on my experience Venus tends to get millions of tons of stuff at 0.1 or 0.2 accessibility. Not worth doing anything with except waiting for civilians to put a mining colony there or at most chucking some automines and a mass driver at it to get a trickle of minerals. Actually, I think civilians can't put civilian mining colonies there, and that they're limited to moons, asteroids (including dwarf planets) and comets? Might be wrong though. Oh and of course, only if there's duranium or sorium. Wonder how THAT will be handled in story. Serf posted:we would like to propose the filming of a sequel series that subtly establishes a link between the comintern and the federation. perhaps some sort of... next generation to expand on things Ahaha yes, let's make a Comintern-aligned and scientifically accurate Star Trek. What could go wrong?
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Nov 7, 2020 19:14
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Gen. Uvorvykishki (ret.), Ukrainian Delegate to the People's Assembly The news from Luna is excellent, comrades. This vanity project has turned out to be quite the windfall. Let us hope that next time we leap before looking we are similarly lucky. I agree with some of the other delegates that we should get at least one functioning mine and some sort of delivery system setup on Luna. While the material wealth will continue to be overshadowed by production on Earth, I believe that the experience we will gain in off-planet mining and logistics will be invaluable to our future efforts.
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Nov 7, 2020 19:37
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Asterite34 posted:True, Earth's deposits are more accessible and currently more than meet our demand. However, Luna provides a test-bed for research into off-world mining techniques, with a fairly short supply chain of necessary supplies and quick radio access and travel time for experts in the field. Plus I'm sure the Lunar Socialist Republic would appreciate the bootstrapping of the local economy. Helping jumpstart their resource extraction and local utilization of their corbomite reserves while shipping additional infrastructure is certainly worth bringing up at the next conference, yeah. Hopefully we get as lucky with the surveying of Mars and Venus. Also I've tried to give Aurora4x a try like 3 times now thanks to this thread and every time I get into a new game and immediately get lost, it's so user anti-friendly. 
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Nov 7, 2020 22:45
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1:38PM, February 26, 1981 The Skarbnik enters a polar orbit of Venus. It will take hundreds of orbits over many days to achieve full sensor coverage of the planet. The Karzelek, by this point separated from her sister ship by hundreds of thousand of kilometers, continues onward, still over a day from their destination.  The ships, lacking any sensors other than the survey package, are effectively blind to anything in space. For reference, here is the current area of space in which humanity could detect a thermal contact of the same approximate intensity as the Karzelek-class ships. Something smaller, travelling more slowly, or equipped with baffled engines could potentially approach much closer to the Earth, and neither exploration ship will have any means to detect them at all.  While humans have never been to Venus before, their spacecraft have, and have returned images of a harsh, deadly, and utterly alien world, with a dense pressure-cooker atmosphere inimical to all known forms of life. To settle it, as we have done Luna, would be incredibly difficult. Surface outposts will require thick shielding, huge and complex cooling systems, and a large array of other life support equipment, and basic subsistence and survival will be the primary concern of anyone mad enough to live down there. Even so, from orbit, the planet is eerily beautiful, and if there is something of value to be found down there, we will surely find a way to access it. February 28, 1981  The Karzelek achieves orbit of the Red Planet and activates its sensor array. The crew manage to take the first high-resolution photos of Phobos during a close flyby. While a large number of attempts have been made to send probes to Mars, almost all of them have failed, and before the Trans-Newtonian revolution the joke among space scientists was that Mars is cursed. Director Kuzmin has forbidden mention of this curse anywhere in Mission Control, on pain of harsh disciplinary action. March 3, 1981   Academician Matveyev, assigned to develop techniques to decontaminate irradiated areas and conduct ecological restoration, announces a breakthrough. It's more a series of processes and procedures than a single magic device, but with time, effort, and careful application of TNEs in certain key roles, practical cleanup of large-scale radioactive and chemical contamination can be achieved in a reasonable timeframe. The knowledge thus gained is disseminated to all Comintern member organizations and light industry begins tooling to produce the necessary equipment, for distribution to work crews. The resulting campaign will cement the Comintern's legitimacy in many areas where it held only nominal sway, draw displaced persons back to their homes, and lead to much of the remaining stateless territory in North America either forming Comintern polities or joining existing ones. The net effect is a sizable increase in the Comintern's effective population. 250 million additional people will be added to Earth's population, gradually, over the course of the next year or so. The labs thus freed are reassigned in accordance with the Mining Plan. In addition, the FESTER sensor arrays are put into development. March 15, 1981 A suspected terror cell in Dijon, France is raided during a meeting, after having been spotted on video camera attempting to gain access to a military base. Four people, all of them former French Army veterans, are arrested, and found to be in possession of right-wing paraphernalia and a stockpile of small arms. March 24, 1981   i ride bikes all day becomes MOSA's newest Ship Commander. The newly-promoted officer, currently unassigned, has an extremely broad array of skills. March 25, 1981  CSV Karzelek, in orbit of Mars, transmits its completed survey report to Mission Control. The readings are bizarre and erratic, seeming to indicate previously-thought-impossible quantities of TNEs deep below the surface of Mars, including corbomite lodes that make even the Moon look poor in comparison - but so far down, and mixed in with so many other things, that it will be extremely difficult to extract them. There are a number of sensor anomalies which simply cannot be resolved from orbit, and an in-depth survey on the ground will be necessary to truly know the extent of TNE deposits on Mars. There's one other, more important thing, though. There are a series of deposits of TNEs and conventional materials on or near the surface in the Cydonia region. Based on their shape, composition, and arrangement, the Karzelek's science officer reports a near-100% probability that these are artificial structures. The report was received minutes ago. For the moment, Karzelek remains in its high polar orbit. This is not a legislative session and we'll keep moving fairly quickly, but in the immediate term: what do we do? The Karzelek does have a small lander, and even without landing may be able to get a better look from low orbit. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Nov 7, 2020 |
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Nov 7, 2020 23:15
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well, this is pretty huge. can we get down there and take a look at them? e: yes, absolutely! send the lander down and see what's up!
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Nov 7, 2020 23:20
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Agree with sending a lander down to see what's up, and also prepare to send a larger expedition to properly evaluate the ruins (OOC: Develop ground based xenology units). I'd also recommend looking through past earth-based imagery of the area, to see if there's anything that might prove useful now that we tentatively recognize this as an artificial structure. (IIRC Ruined Colony is about mid-tier for how big the ruins are. Destroyed outpost is smallest, largest is "Multiple Intact Cities" or something like that.)
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Nov 7, 2020 23:25
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Serf posted:well, this is pretty huge. can we get down there and take a look at them? The Kalmar Union seconds this motion!
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Nov 7, 2020 23:25
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The course of action seems obvious; deploy the lander. This is best investigated in person. Perhaps a delayed live feed transmission across public access. Artificial structures on Mars is something the world deserves to experience.
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Nov 7, 2020 23:27
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I'm not sure about anyone else, but there's no way anything at all could possibly go wrong. We have to land immediately. For science. For the future. Also next legislative session we should probably come up with procedures for how to deal with future situations like this. You know, because the more paperwork, the better.
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Nov 7, 2020 23:31
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Send a team down to investigate in the lander. Hopefully we were smart enough to send some AKs along, just in case.
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Nov 7, 2020 23:31
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64bitrobot posted:Also next legislative session we should probably come up with procedures for how to deal with future situations like this. You know, because the more paperwork, the better. Presumably in the future we will have xenoarchology... units? Scanners? On standby, so future situations would be "Cool, send in the experts."
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Nov 7, 2020 23:39
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New Afrika wholeheartedly supports the motion to send the lander- and further, believes that plans must be drawn up to send a multinational (read: not Russian) expedition to Mars as soon as possible.
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Nov 7, 2020 23:51
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Low orbit survey to get a better idea as to the disposition of the site, and if it appears safe/dead, send down the lander to investigate. Be careful though, this might be the most significant find since the Roswell Object, and I'm not sure we sent any trained archaeologists on this mission. We CANNOT risk contaminating or damaging the site just so we can take touristy photo ops. e: quote:The course of action seems obvious; deploy the lander. This is best investigated in person. Perhaps a delayed live feed transmission across public access. THIS however is a potentially terrible idea. Leaving aside the PR nightmare if the world sees the first cosmonaut to set foot on another planet get their face ripped off by a Martian, there's STILL stuff about our last alien artifact that hasn't been broadly de-classified as far as I know. I'd rather not expose the entire populace to God knows what, let alone our fascist rivals who still linger on the fringe. Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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Nov 7, 2020 23:52
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Asterite34 posted:Low orbit survey to get a better idea as to the disposition of the site, and if it appears safe/dead, send down the lander to investigate. Be careful though, this might be the most significant find since the Roswell Object, and I'm not sure we sent any trained archaeologists on this mission. We CANNOT risk contaminating or damaging the site just so we can take touristy photo ops. This is a good point. If our team on board the Karzelek has doubts of their ability to properly investigate we should hold back on sending them down and instead retask one of our other ships. Or if that's not viable, design a smaller shorter duration craft specifically for investigating ruins we discover, staffed with proper teams.
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Nov 7, 2020 23:57
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If there's a small lander, they should definitely use it and investigate.LostCosmonaut posted:(OOC: Develop ground based xenology units). And geology for the mineral survey too. Though at minimal, it probably won't give us any extra resources.
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Nov 8, 2020 00:07
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I'm going to be the dissenting voice and recommend we don't send a bunch of random untrained, unbriefed, unequipped sailors to go stomp around the biggest archaeological find in human history taking selfies and poking random poo poo with sticks. This is loving massive and needs to be handled properly by real archaeologists with real training, preferably with lots and lots of remote observation from orbit/far away before we poke anything. Who knows what's down there, and even if it's nothing dangerous we should leave the site completely undisturbed until real scientists show up to avoid contaminating it.
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Nov 8, 2020 00:13
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Crazycryodude posted:I'm going to be the dissenting voice and recommend we don't send a bunch of random untrained, unbriefed, unequipped sailors to go stomp around the biggest archaeological find in human history taking selfies and poking random poo poo with sticks. This is loving massive and needs to be handled properly by real archaeologists with real training, preferably with lots and lots of remote observation from orbit/far away before we poke anything. Who knows what's down there, and even if it's nothing dangerous we should leave the site completely undisturbed until real scientists show up to avoid contaminating it. "What Could Possibly Go Wrong" is exactly why the RCORR supports this plan.
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Nov 8, 2020 00:23
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I'm with Cryo on this, honestly. Realistically, the odds of the away team being slaughtered like redshirts is minimal (though NOT ZERO), the bigger concern is someone untrained in archaeological excavation stepping on something important. Remember, the modern state of the world, which is in many ways unrecognizable compared to even ten years ago, is because of discoveries based on ONE partially intact alien artifact, and here we have an entire site visible from orbit. Let's not be like 19th century tomb robbers and accidentally break the REAL treasures just because we got overexcited. If we send a lander, it is with the understanding that nobody touches ANYTHING, they're just scouting out the terrain in preparation for a proper scientific mission.
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Nov 8, 2020 00:38
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There is no rush here. We should move cautiously to make sure we don't create a problem that didn't need to exist.
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Nov 8, 2020 00:53
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The Protectorate of the Outer Banks agrees with Comrade Cryo. We should send specialists to do this, not untrained sailors.
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Nov 8, 2020 00:55
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Asterite34 posted:I'm with Cryo on this, honestly. Realistically, the odds of the away team being slaughtered like redshirts is minimal (though NOT ZERO), the bigger concern is someone untrained in archaeological excavation stepping on something important. Remember, the modern state of the world, which is in many ways unrecognizable compared to even ten years ago, is because of discoveries based on ONE partially intact alien artifact, and here we have an entire site visible from orbit. Let's not be like 19th century tomb robbers and accidentally break the REAL treasures just because we got overexcited. If we send a lander, it is with the understanding that nobody touches ANYTHING, they're just scouting out the terrain in preparation for a proper scientific mission. People's Republic of New Zealand agrees.
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Nov 8, 2020 01:00
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The NOMAD Collective says: Hold Do a low orbit/aerial pass, take plenty of pictures and sensor readings but let's prepare an International Team of Action Archeologists to do a proper on-site survey and send them as soon as possible. We have NOMAD experts ready and willing to go This changes everything
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Nov 8, 2020 01:01
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I agree with Comrade Cryo. We need to to be careful; both the protect our cosmonauts from whatever hazards the site must entail but also to ensure that we do not damage the site. Make sure no one approaches the site until we can create an appropriate set of protocols and assemble a team.
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Nov 8, 2020 01:14
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Take care, send specialists
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Nov 8, 2020 01:33
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The post specifically mentions a low orbit fly-over, which I assume is what's being voted on?
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Nov 8, 2020 01:54
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There are also those that suggest a lander. We second the urgings to play it cautious. A low orbit passover before completing the original survey mission seems within parameters, however, but only if there are no significant risks involved. Otherwise we should leave any extraterrestrial findings for a second survey team equipped and prepared for the task, after the next legislative session.
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The People's Republic of California also supports low-orbit recon followed by sending a team of trained archelogists.
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