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Who will you vote for in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:need legislation setting out how it’s enforced and what money is used to enforce it Can this be obviated with a declaration of a national emergency?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:increased income does not appear to correlate directly or immediately to increased rent and increased money supply does not lead to inflation if there is slack production Is there a good source of UBI talking points and arguments pro/against? I've been searching google but it's hard to differentiate from the sea of libertarian and conservative media.
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Nov 8, 2020 07:37
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Asema posted:it got updated to just Joe. it's hilarious but some people got real upset about it apparently That is hilarious
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Nov 8, 2020 07:44
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Nov 8, 2020 07:59
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IT BEGINS posted:Is there a good source of UBI talking points and arguments pro/against? I've been searching google but it's hard to differentiate from the sea of libertarian and conservative media. i'm not actually an ideal person to ask lol (especially tonight), i just swell up in rage and substantially increase my already impressive diameter when people raise specifically the "UBI will be neutralized by inflation and rent" arguments
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Nov 8, 2020 08:02
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McCloud posted:That is hilarious It really was a master stroke to the people who really never did anything, politically, but complain on this forum about this forum. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 8, 2020 08:23
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For fucks sake, the student loan debt cancellation is like, the first good thing I've heard about Biden in the last 12 years.
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Nov 8, 2020 08:45
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Boba Pearl posted:For fucks sake, the student loan debt cancellation is like, the first good thing I've heard about Biden in the last 12 years. no it isn't, but if it's the first one you actually consider believing then great
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Nov 8, 2020 08:47
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GreyjoyBastard posted:no it isn't, but if it's the first one you actually consider believing then great You have to know the irony of this coming from you, right?
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Nov 8, 2020 08:57
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Xombie posted:It really was a master stroke to the people who really never did anything, politically, but complain on this forum about this forum. Seriously, gently caress them for, I assume, never doing anything political whatsoever or having any real concern beyond forums strife. Meanwhile ol' Diamond Joe went head to head with Trump in the midst of a pandemic and an economy that is steadily impoverishing millions. Somehow managing to lose seats in state governments, the house, and likely the Senate. But hey he pulled off the narrowest win anyone could've cooked up in their worst nightmares. No Joe's did gently caress all, Joe Biden rebirthed the concept of pyrrhic victory. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 8, 2020 09:05
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Boba Pearl posted:For fucks sake, the student loan debt cancellation is like, the first good thing I've heard about Biden in the last 12 years. It was an announced in April.
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Nov 8, 2020 09:06
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Being on his website is not the same thing as announcing it.
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Nov 8, 2020 09:18
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Xombie posted:It really was a master stroke to the people who really never did anything, politically, but complain on this forum about this forum. Good job defeating that strawman, I hope it was easier than voting for a rapist.
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Nov 8, 2020 09:18
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Xombie posted:It really was a master stroke to the people who really never did anything, politically, but complain on this forum about this forum. Can we stop with people trying to win shower arguments against no-one in D&D
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Nov 8, 2020 09:38
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Oh poo poo, what about medical debt? Any plans for that? Probably not, honestly. Most student loan debt is owned by the government, so legally, at least, it's easy to forgive. The government can just say "You don't owe us the money". Biden can probably even do that with an executive order, like the tweet said. Most medical debt isn't owed to the federal government. It's owed to doctors or hospitals or whoever, and the government can't legally forgive that. They could just give you money for it, I guess, or pay your bills for you, but that would be a lot harder to do and it's not likely that'll happen.
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Nov 8, 2020 09:39
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So Biden's making cabinet picks and has to try to get a few through the R Senate. Who can be confirmed in a McConnell senate and for which jobs? -Kasich for something. The way this guy is out talking makes me think he's either totally sure he's got a slot or totally sure he's not and I'm putting more money on the former. This would fit the West Wing LARP agenda and the DNC already platformed him so it's fair game. The question is what post? My guess: Treasury. There would be something super fitting about the Democrats fitting the "ah, Republicans are good with money, let's make a Republican our money guy" meme around a guy who worked at Lehman in 2008. -Mattis for defense. I think he's wildly popular with neoliberal hawks on both sides of the aisle and resigned from the Trump administration after putting his reputation on the line to stop us from betraying the Kurds, then later denounced him for overtly inflaming racial tensions so I think he's 100% already rehabilitated and would be back in a split second. Also hard to block a defense nominee because whining that the Senate is ~leaving America undefended~ neutralizes the political advantages; McConnell blocking James loving Mattis for this post and then Iran sinks a freighter or something while the chair's empty is the kind of thing that makes every dem media consultant get pointy nips. -Meg Whitman for Secretary of Commerce, because only people who have worked at her companies know the terrible secret of what happens when Meg Whitman is put in charge of businesses.
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Nov 8, 2020 10:05
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1stGear posted:Good job defeating that strawman, I hope it was easier than voting for a rapist. quote:When Yugoslav politician Milovan Djilas complained about rapes in Yugoslavia, Stalin reportedly stated that he should "understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle." 
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Nov 8, 2020 10:09
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Look, I realize Stalin isn't a perfect leader. He's definitely not my first pick, believe me. But folx, there's a freakin' Hitler in the Reichstag. We need to come behind behind Joe, warts and all, for the good of the nation.
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Nov 8, 2020 10:19
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1stGear posted:Look, I realize Stalin isn't a perfect leader. He's definitely not my first pick, believe me. But folx, there's a freakin' Hitler in the Reichstag. We need to come behind behind Joe, warts and all, for the good of the nation.
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Nov 8, 2020 10:24
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The Oldest Man posted:So Biden's making cabinet picks and has to try to get a few through the R Senate. Who can be confirmed in a McConnell senate and for which jobs? I will never stop laughing if it turns out that my prediction of >50% Republican cabinet was on the money
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Nov 8, 2020 10:25
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hobotrashcanfires posted:Seriously, gently caress them for, I assume, never doing anything political whatsoever or having any real concern beyond forums strife. You say that like this isn't exactly what the Democrats want. They have all the excuses in the world to do absolutely nothing.
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Nov 8, 2020 10:29
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It sure is cool how my prediction of "If it looks like Biden might not win, it'll be blamed on the people who have justified reasons to not support Biden and even if he wins they'll still get poo poo on for having never been needed so there's no reason to ever give progressives what they ask for." came completely true. Cool guys, I look forward to four years where people who want things to be better and not just "well this is the best we can do" are met with just as much hostility as literal nazis and endlessly berated for not just falling in line.
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Nov 8, 2020 11:02
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The Oldest Man posted:So Biden's making cabinet picks and has to try to get a few through the R Senate. Who can be confirmed in a McConnell senate and for which jobs? Biden allegedly promised the VP slot to multiple people so hopefully he's doing the same to Kasich. I can dream.
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Nov 8, 2020 12:48
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Put Meg Whitman in charge of the CIA and let her run it into the ground.
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Nov 8, 2020 13:56
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Somfin posted:I will never stop laughing if it turns out that my prediction of >50% Republican cabinet was on the money Trump solved this problem. Make everyone acting.
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Nov 8, 2020 14:22
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Xombie posted:It really was a master stroke to the people who really never did anything, politically, but complain on this forum about this forum. this seeks like idk, something you don't have any way of knowing. gotta own those posting enemies though!
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Nov 8, 2020 15:00
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i'm not actually an ideal person to ask lol (especially tonight), i just swell up in rage and substantially increase my already impressive diameter when people raise specifically the "UBI will be neutralized by inflation and rent" arguments Seems to me like landlords (capitalists) would absolutely capitalize on knowing their tenants had extra scratch that the landlord could extract via rent. Mao, nothing wrong, shame about the birds, all that.
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Nov 8, 2020 15:31
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Jarmak posted:There is nothing remotely rehabilitative about that tweet. Why are you already rehabilitating Joy Homphobic Blog Reid.
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Nov 8, 2020 15:32
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Resorting to solving social crises like housing and lack of medical care through a lump cash handout and leaving it up to the market to provide services and housing as a commodity is bad actually, yes. Here's a decent article on the whole deal though. https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/false-promise-universal-basic-income-andy-stern-ruger-bregman Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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Nov 8, 2020 15:49
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:The DSA also made a convenient graphic:
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Nov 8, 2020 17:19
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Halloween Jack posted:They forgot Cameron Webb. Webb wasn't an incumbent representative. Everyone on the list was.
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Nov 8, 2020 17:39
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I've been thinking through a lot of this electoral stuff, and I've think I've come to a decent conclusion as to how the DSA can continue "infiltrating" the Democratic party and subverting its goals towards public good. It would necessarily require primarying major Democratic establishment players, and I think AOC's ousting of Crowley is a good blueprint for that. So, how did a waitress beat the 4th in line for speaker? 1. The Brunch offensive. Midterms are when Democrats go back to sleep and stay away from the polls. They may show up in some numbers, but generally they don't give a gently caress who they pull the lever for. The upside of partisan politics is that they'd vote for an aging block of cheese if you stamp a 'D' onto it. So, you take a hardcore democratic-socialist (as in, use the government to seize the means of production), slap a D on em, and push extra hard on an off year when everyone is busy at mid term brunch. 2. Erode the power-base. Start your aim rather low. Target regular party loyalists who have little name recognition, and flank them hard from the left at their weakest, most vital positions. 3. Attack the money. Is he a health-insurance stooge? Push the M4A angle. Is he bought by Raytheon? Run on cutting the military budget. The reality is, the Democrats are wholly owned by their donors, and that forces them to publicly back very unpopular positions. They are completely unable to even pretend to support progressive positions because if they do, the party dumps them HARD. Just look at what happened to Warren. 4. Pull the lynchpin. Chuck, Nancy, Feinstein, these are some of the major players in the game that pill all the weight. Use the same tactics as above, jump them in an off year, and try to depose the top. If we're lucky, the Ratfuck Petes of the world will see a power vacuum and scramble for it, and a consolidated power base of the DSA can offer them an opportunity to join in exchange for their support for speaker. 5. Ratfuck the Ratfuckers. Promise the opportunists everything: committee positions, down ballot support in their races, magic beans, whatever. And the moment they vote a DSA member into speaker, drop them like a loving rock. poo poo on them so hard, so completely, that they never have the capability of regaining their office. Primary them in their home districts. Stick gum on their chairs. Whatever. Now that they've Ratfucked the party loyalists, they can't run back to them for help. Machiavelli once said something to the tune of "Never slight a man so that he is still capable of revenge." Finish the loving job, and drop them so hard they can never re enter politics. Smears, lies, whatever. We can't have more snakes. Or, appoint them to useless, dead end positions where they can't do anything useful and let them fade into obscurity. 6. Pincer attack. Do everything I've mentioned above in the Republican party as well, but with a red coat of paint. Tell them you'll expand medicare coverage and cut the (military) budget to pay for it. Raise wages for soldiers and improve veteran benefits while cutting the dumpster-fire military grifts like the F-35. Run on higher wages for everyone, and run in Republican primaries in off years. Socialist politics are wildly popular on both sides of the aisle, and you should push from both angles. Every time you try to primary a Democrat, primary a R as well. That way if you don't succeed in the primary, you can sti succeed in the general. Republican DSA members are doubly powerful. 7. Ally with the public uprising. There's going to be a lot of riots, a lot of strikes, and a lot of people breaking poo poo. Make sure you address their concerns to rip away public support from the establishment. This has the doubly useful effect that if poo poo REALLY goes down, the DSA is in the unique position of legitimate government power to represent public outcry , something the Democrats cannot do (shoot them in the leg, indeed). 8. Kill poo poo. Kill the fossil fuel industry. Kill the healthcare industry. Kill the debt collection industry. All the wildly popular socialist agendas necessitate these actions: GND, M4A, debt forgiveness. The only way you're going to accomplish those goals is destroying these industries through legislation. Make oil and gas illegal, make private insurance redundant, cancel all debts. This does the dual purpose of making you wildly popular and destroying the power base of your opponents, the D and R establishment, by weakening their employers, capital. And you must do this by organizing with the rioters and unions to attack from both angles. 9. Luxury American Bisexual Earth Dictatorship it the Proletariat. If you can ever actually manage to secure enough power on both sides of the aisle, mandate personal property: If you work at a business, you own a share of that business. If you live in a home, you own that home. Use the state as a weapon to topple the forces of capital. That is what victory should look like: worker coops and public work projects. Lenin makes the point that all avenues of attack should be used to topple the oppressor, and the ballot of an incompetent and unpopular system is a big loving target. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
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Nov 8, 2020 17:44
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nonrev posted:Webb wasn't an incumbent representative. Everyone on the list was. No, at least Cori Bush wasn't.
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Nov 8, 2020 17:53
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But like seriously, before this thread eventually closes, do ya'll really not like brunch?
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Nov 8, 2020 17:55
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Timeless Appeal posted:But like seriously, before this thread eventually closes, do ya'll really not like brunch? I just fixed myself some eggs and salmon for brunch with coffee and a bloody mary, it was pretty good
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Nov 8, 2020 17:57
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Timeless Appeal posted:But like seriously, before this thread eventually closes, do ya'll really not like brunch? Hangover brunch at home good, lobbyist brunch in the wine cave bad.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:02
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Timeless Appeal posted:But like seriously, before this thread eventually closes, do ya'll really not like brunch? $15 for eggs benedict is about 2 hours of labor after taxes and tip. So brunch is a pretty significant example of class divide.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:03
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Brunch is just late breakfast with a hangover, it’s great
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Nov 8, 2020 18:09
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Cpt_Obvious posted:$15 for eggs benedict is about 2 hours of labor after taxes and tip. So brunch is a pretty significant example of class divide.
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Timeless Appeal posted:But like seriously, before this thread eventually closes, do ya'll really not like brunch?
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