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Cup Runneth Over posted:Is he nonbinary or genderqueer or something? He/they is very common for just about any masculine person, it only signifies you don't mind being called "they." Doesn't make you gay. I don't know anything about Willis or their personal life, but you gotta be a little deeper in than just gender neutral pronouns to be a queer creator IMHO. i don't have his actual announcement about it handy because he wanted to say it quietly a few months back but it was about gender identity + i'm not going to be the sort of rear end in a top hat to say that someone isn't 'actually queer' b/c they didn't do enough in my eyes to appear queer. i'd recommend nobody else be that rear end in a top hat either! also gender identity is different than sexuality so all you're doing by saying "doesn't make you gay" is showing how little you actually think about this subject yourself
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Come to think of it, it's been a long time since I read It's Walky, but now that I know of all the baggage that Willis had about his mom and his upbringing, I now see the parallels with Walky's mom who founded the organization to fight aliens and steadily grew more controlling and manipulative (even resorting to mind-control I think?) only for it to turn out that she was being manipulated from the aliens from the start and the entire story of how she started the fight against the aliens was based on a lie. And since it was written either during or right after Willis had his own personal growth to break from his parents' views of the world, I wonder if it's even more emotionally honest than in Dumbing of Age where Joyce's mother is a more of a boilerplate chud and he's writing this when he's older and more self-assured and financially independent.
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Willis is a lot like Dan Shive, in that they’re both extremely idiosyncratic webcomics creators who can’t move away from the comic characters that have documented their personal growth. I prefer Shive overall, even if every character has a very similar, weird, and very specific way of thinking, to the superhero drama and exaggerations Willis can’t stop indulging in even when it hurts the story.
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I'm not going to demand a detailed breakdown of someone's gender and sexual identities before I decide if they're writing of queer relationships or people is poorly. If it's obvious or they declare it, sure, it adds some context as they may be pulling from personal feelings or experiences, but throwing things out into the public will remove your writing choices from that personal context anyway and it's perfectly possible for something to look tired or even offensive to the large number of readers who won't have the full "context". This isn't to say it shouldn't be done, but it's good to be conscious of how your work might come off to a "blind" audience. Queer creators can write problematic stories, and some straight/cis writers are conscious enough to write decent queer stories, too.
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Nuns with Guns posted:I'm not going to demand a detailed breakdown of someone's gender and sexual identities before I decide if they're writing of queer relationships or people is poorly. If it's obvious or they declare it, sure, it adds some context as they may be pulling from personal feelings or experiences, but throwing things out into the public will remove your writing choices from that personal context anyway and it's perfectly possible for something to look tired or even offensive to the large number of readers who won't have the full "context". This isn't to say it shouldn't be done, but it's good to be conscious of how your work might come off to a "blind" audience. Queer creators can write problematic stories, and some straight/cis writers are conscious enough to write decent queer stories, too. I think it was only a subject because of the "real queer creators" comment, which directly ties the author's identity to the work.
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Recommend me some good gay webcomics, I need something to read and I'm still pissed about how Beastars ended because I'm trash.
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Recommend me some good gay webcomics, I need something to read and I'm still pissed about how Beastars ended because I'm trash. 2 Slices is a pretty decent story about two boys who attempt to give each other romantic advice only to fall headlong into The Gay.
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Nov 8, 2020 20:25
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"o human star" and "never satisfied" are my favs rn e: well o human star is complete but wonderful
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Recommend me some good gay webcomics, I need something to read and I'm still pissed about how Beastars ended because I'm trash. Gotta rep Sleepless Domain, although the romance is more of a subplot to the main story. If you can stand Tapas I quite like High Class Homos, about a prince and a princess who are both very gay but marrying each other to get their parents off their respective backs while they pursue their real love lives. Very cute.
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PMush Perfect posted:The cup runneth over with queer gatekeeping. I'm not making any judgments, I don't read his comic, and crucially I definitely wouldn't know if he were or not since I don't follow him, but I personally look for more than "is sometimes referred to with they/them pronouns" in my queer creators especially if they are broaching subjects in potentially problematic ways. Oh, and I'm not asking anyone to prove their queerness, I just think "he goes by he/they" is a lame justification in response to someone characterizing a nonbinary person in a gross way. flatluigi posted:i don't have his actual announcement about it handy because he wanted to say it quietly a few months back but it was about gender identity + i'm not going to be the sort of rear end in a top hat to say that someone isn't 'actually queer' b/c they didn't do enough in my eyes to appear queer. i'd recommend nobody else be that rear end in a top hat either! Asserting that being "gay" is a purely sexuality-based thing in 2020 shows how shallowly immersed you are in the topic yourself, actually. Cup Runneth Over fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Nov 8, 2020 |
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Recommend me some good gay webcomics, I need something to read and I'm still pissed about how Beastars ended because I'm trash. http://bvbcomix.com/bandvsband/introducing hasn't really updated recently though unfortunately https://www.webtoons.com/en/comedy/mage-and-demon-queen/episode-1/viewer?title_no=1438&episode_no=1
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Tenebrais posted:Gotta rep Sleepless Domain, although the romance is more of a subplot to the main story. Yoooo this rules.
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Just a heads up, the next Steeple story Christmas with Clovis starts tomorrow on steeple.church. Also Allison posted a one page "parish notices" in the style of the old Marvel "bullpen bulletins", which you may find interesting. Here's part of it, a comic checklist:
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Yoooo this rules. yeah sleepless domain is one of my favorite ongoing comics, very much worth following
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SD also has a thread in this forum, in case you weren't aware! Because we took over this thread too much for a while.
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i dont know how to broach it and i dont think this thread is the right place for it (lol) but there def will likely be a long and exhausting art community discussion for years about how to intertwine and dissect and interpret queer identities in relations to a persons work. i find it extremely heartening and wonderful that the webcomics community is a place where people can truly, legitimately safely explore their identities (esp. trans identities) "publicly" before fully stepping out but in many ways the conversations we have about these works/the creators/the audiences/etc are still kind of wonky/accusatory/cruel/invasive because they're a very very very new area and HUGE because of the vastness of the internet. it will take some time for people to realize they are not entitled to know every details of a person's personal life and all the nuances of their complex inner turmoils. i hope this makes sense.
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Tenebrais posted:SD also has a thread in this forum, in case you weren't aware! Because we took over this thread too much for a while. Oh wow, I've been following her CagleCats Twitter account for like two years and I read Let's Teach English years ago and had no idea any of this was connected.
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Oh wow, I've been following her CagleCats Twitter account for like two years and I read Let's Teach English years ago and had no idea any of this was connected. she also has https://www.kiwiblitz.com/ which is on hiatus for the foreseeable future but is still a pretty good read
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mycot posted:I think it was only a subject because of the "real queer creators" comment, which directly ties the author's identity to the work. Yeah, I don't like categorizing people as "real queer creators" and I think that remark was out of line, especially when you're dealing with a fluid and ever-changing thing like societal and personal perceptions of gender or sexuality. Willis' stuff always felt like tinny melodrama to me no matter what his personal identity is, and I think that's more of a feature of his writing that some people either like or absolutely hate. Mazerunner posted:http://bvbcomix.com/bandvsband/introducing hasn't really updated recently though unfortunately I miss it dearly...  : I know the creator is going through a rough patch though, and I hope she feels better and up to continuing it because you can tell she has a lot of love for the characters and it comes through in the comic in delightful ways.fun hater posted:i dont know how to broach it and i dont think this thread is the right place for it (lol) but there def will likely be a long and exhausting art community discussion for years about how to intertwine and dissect and interpret queer identities in relations to a persons work. i find it extremely heartening and wonderful that the webcomics community is a place where people can truly, legitimately safely explore their identities (esp. trans identities) "publicly" before fully stepping out but in many ways the conversations we have about these works/the creators/the audiences/etc are still kind of wonky/accusatory/cruel/invasive because they're a very very very new area and HUGE because of the vastness of the internet. it will take some time for people to realize they are not entitled to know every details of a person's personal life and all the nuances of their complex inner turmoils. i hope this makes sense. I don't know if it'll ever fully go away, especially when there's a powerful need for authentic queer stories, though as queer identities become more widely-accepted I suppose the issue will balance out a bit with time as people feel more comfortable and safe openly identifying in specific ways they may find terrifying or dangerous now.
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The_Other posted:Just a heads up, the next Steeple story Christmas with Clovis starts tomorrow on steeple.church. Also Allison posted a one page "parish notices" in the style of the old Marvel "bullpen bulletins", which you may find interesting. Here's part of it, a comic checklist:
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Recommend me some good gay webcomics, I need something to read and I'm still pissed about how Beastars ended because I'm trash. https://lovespellscomic.com
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I just read this manga called "My Son is Probably Gay," and I thought it was pretty great.
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Wittgen posted:I just read this manga called "My Son is Probably Gay," and I thought it was pretty great. Did you see the latest volume extra about how the artist came out to his family? EDIT: Oh, it's in the Twitter link, so yeah. So wholesome.
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a lot of my early broaches into the subject of gender via my art were uh, extremely hosed up to say the least, because I didn't know how little I knew about what I was talking about and/or I was still dealing with my own gender stuff I think criticism of gay representation should be done independently of how gay the writer is (or how gay you suspect them to be) because frankly you don't know, they might not know either that said bad writing is bad writing, me being stupid at the time doesn't justify my own bad poo poo and being stupid now doesn't justify anyone else's bad poo poo edit: that said because I will always take an opportunity to shill, my story's pretty gay but only kind of a webcomic, currently on hiatus and also not very fun, link is under avatar <<< Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Nov 9, 2020 |
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The_Other posted:Just a heads up, the next Steeple story Christmas with Clovis starts tomorrow on steeple.church. Also Allison posted a one page "parish notices" in the style of the old Marvel "bullpen bulletins", which you may find interesting. Here's part of it, a comic checklist: I would read most of these if John Allison wrote them. If you're a $3 donor to John's Patreon you can read the whole of the new story right away in PDF form. reignonyourparade posted:Well, that was an enjoyable, silly, not remotely NSFW oglaf today. I fukken love Oglaf, whichever of the "plain funny comic" or "funny sex comic" hats it's wearing any particular week. Safari Disco Lion posted:Yoooo this rules. Sleepless Domain is dope as hell. The death of the team right off the bat is such a wild clash with the Magical Girl theme and the bright colors. A+ work. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Nov 9, 2020 |
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i'd maybe put that in spoiler tags for the people who are just right now getting it recommended to them
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habeasdorkus posted:Sleepless Domain is dope as hell. The death of the team right off the bat is such a wild clash with the Magical Girl theme and the bright colors. A+ work. I watched and loved Madoka years ago and grew up on Sailor Moon so the whole "let's take magical girls and turn the tropes on their heads" thing is right up my alley.
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'Mage and Demon Queen' is a fun adventure in a gamified fantasy world about Malorie, a mage attempting to seduce the Demon Queen. To not be branded a traitor by the humans, she has to disguise her outings as 'heroic raids' on the demons' headquarters, and wear a demon-disguise while helping work for peace. Although it has themes of prejudice in human/demon relations, there's no sexual prejudice. Some characters are gay or trans, and it's not treated as anything exceptional.
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Been going back and forth on whether I should rec this queer comic or not, since it's been on hiatus for almost 2 years, but I've enjoyed what I've read of Quick$ilver so far. The art is good, the dialogue is entertaining, and the main character is a top-tier webcomics Lucy, along with Lucy from Never Satisfied and Lucy from A Ghost Story.
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Safari Disco Lion posted:Recommend me some good gay webcomics, I need something to read and I'm still pissed about how Beastars ended because I'm trash. Peritale, a slightly gay comic about lovely fairies, just wrapped up a VERY gay side story about differently lovely fairies (an elf and a troll that gay chicken each other into getting married and raising a human baby.) https://www.peritale.com/comic/lom001
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SlothfulCobra posted:Dumbing of Age rides off of Willis's previous career of collecting an audience and learning to be regular with updates if nothing else. It's not really a good gag comic, it's pretty garbage for a soap opera, and it's too surreal to be a slice of life. I tried to get into DoA a couple times before because people who normally have a similar taste to me recommended it, but this was more or less my take away. It wants to be too many things, doesn't do any of them individually well, and blends them poorly enough that it feels less than the sum of its parts.
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Tendales posted:Peritale, a slightly gay comic about lovely fairies, just wrapped up a VERY gay side story about differently lovely fairies (an elf and a troll that gay chicken each other into getting married and raising a human baby.) I had never heard of this before but I'm digging it.
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I read something once about how the characters in dumbing of age are based on Dave willis’s childhood imaginary friends. Then later he made porn of them to sell on slipshine. Pretty hilarious
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Webcomics goons always get weird about artists drawing porn, and at this point it feels like a puritanical hangover from 2006. Literally every artist I know has drawn erotic art at some point - what's the big deal if someone wants to get paid for it?
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I don’t care about that, go get that money. I think it’s hilarious that he is drawing porn of his childhood imaginary friends
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Kennel posted:It's better than drawing porn of your real childhood friends. Don't besmirch Tina Belcher like that
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