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Oh come on, this is about as much hyperbole as you'd find in an SNL skit. And at least 3x the humor.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 19:36 |
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3x 0 is still 0 though?
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 19:40 |
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Worth noting then that posts like "everything is going to be great, it's like my cancer went into remission, 10/10" are also hyperbole. Nobody likes having sunshine blown up their rear end.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 19:41 |
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Fister Roboto posted:Worth noting then that posts like "everything is going to be great, it's like my cancer went into remission, 10/10" are also hyperbole. Nobody likes having sunshine blown up their rear end. No one is saying that afaict aside from an obvious joke post or two?
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 19:45 |
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Fister Roboto posted:Worth noting then that posts like "everything is going to be great, it's like my cancer went into remission, 10/10" are also hyperbole. Nobody likes having sunshine blown up their rear end. That's very true. I think we should all endeavor to use hyperbole somewhat sparingly, no matter what we're arguing. Hyperbole, if used well, can make your argument more illustrative and vivid. I like this use of it, for example: empty whippet box posted:I am on the edge of my seat for the heroic roll out of the Biden Harris covid relief program which offers tax credits for patients who test positive three times in a hospital setting and can prove any treatments they received were due to covid and not any pre existing condition who open new businesses in historicallt disadvantaged communities within three months of recovering from covid-19. I am so excited. I am ready to build back better Everyone who knows even a little bit about the subject of Democratic health care initiatives can see it's a slightly-over-the-top caricature of means-testing. Saying that Kamala Harris is TERF, on the other hand, is A, probably inaccurate, and B, distracts from the real problem with her, which is that her horrible record w/r/t trans inmates is part of a broader pattern of her throwing vulnerable groups under the bus for her own political advantage.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 19:54 |
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Fister Roboto posted:Worth noting then that posts like "everything is going to be great, it's like my cancer went into remission, 10/10" are also hyperbole. Nobody likes having sunshine blown up their rear end. While I would also discourage that, and while if you're trying to convince me this thread was a bad idea structurally you wouldn't have a difficult time, this is adjacent to a topic I've been putting way too much thought into. Consider the bellyfeel, and your desired moderation handling, of the following almost-no-content statements, responses to which are either more no-content or more effort than the poster put in: - Bernie's Gonna Win positive statement that makes everyone feel happy and a lot of people agreed with at the time - Biden's Gonna Win (in the primary) positive statement that makes almost everyone angry - Bernie's Gonna Lose negative statement that makes everyone angry - Biden's Gonna Win (in the general) positive statement that makes a lot of people angry Bernie's Gonna Win is pointless fluff, and the bulk of the information it communicates is not actually the literal meaning of the words, but if it wasn't clogging up the thread overly I ignored it during primary season. The other three would obviously generate reports, angryposts, and a general reduction in forums experience quality. All four are probateable, but some are more probateable than others. which is also a nice little microcosm demonstration of why moderation is hard Majorian posted:That's very true. I think we should all endeavor to use hyperbole somewhat sparingly, no matter what we're arguing. Hyperbole, if used well, can make your argument more illustrative and vivid. I like this use of it, for example: I do not agree about the constructiveness of that post, there's no such thing as a constructive disagreeing response to it. The closest you can come is something like "actually i think their coronavirus response will be good", either following up with either more factual-research predictive effort than whippet box offered, or just leaving at that. The second one makes whippet box angrier and contributes not much content to the thread, the first one makes the person putting forth the effort irritated that the exchange was extremely unequal. Obviously as a mod i would prefer to encourage no-effort-met-with-effort over no-effort-met-with-no-effort but I feel like there's a third moderation choice there.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 20:08 |
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Majorian posted:Everyone who knows even a little bit about the subject of Democratic health care initiatives can see it's a slightly-over-the-top caricature of means-testing. Saying that Kamala Harris is TERF, on the other hand, is A, probably inaccurate, and B, distracts from the real problem with her, which is that her horrible record w/r/t trans inmates is part of a broader pattern of her throwing vulnerable groups under the bus for her own political advantage. I agree. Kamala Harris doesn't hate trans women. She fundamentally lacks any respect for human life in general. Here is some fact-based support for that position (I see you GJB) quote:
Kamala Harris laughed while recounting that great anecdote about the time she sent city attorneys to threaten a homeless woman with jail because she couldn't keep her kids in school. A human that respects the life and fundamental dignity of another human would not laugh at the memory of threatening a poverty-stricken, desperate woman with jail for failing to raise her children according to state-imposed standards without any support. The Oldest Man fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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I'll be honest, all the NoJoes wailing that it's the end of the world Biden won and Trump didn't is making me more excited and hopeful for the new few years. The senate isn't though. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Nov 11, 2020 |
# ? Nov 11, 2020 20:14 |
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RBA Starblade posted:I'll be honest, all the NoJoes wailing that it's the end of the world Biden won and Trump didn't Can you quote a NoJoe wailing that Trump didn't win while posting this, or is that too high a bar to clear before you make something up for sick dunks.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 20:22 |
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1 2 on the condition that popular media gets any better under a Biden presidency and finally stops being Trevor Noah types making woke points and mugging to the camera. 0 if the lack of Trump as something to get mad about returns us to the late Obama days when 90% of the discourse revolved around articles written by media people about the bad sex they had in their 20s. Pentecoastal Elites fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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RBA Starblade posted:I'll be honest, all the NoJoes wailing that it's the end of the world Biden won and Trump didn't is making me more excited and hopeful for the new few years. Not sure how constructive it is to frame minorities (like trans people in this very thread) expressing their very real worries as being them wanting Trump to win. Doing that and then gloating on top of it seems even less worthwhile for discussion, not to mention cruel for those of us who are worried about the future with good reason. Pussy Cartel fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Nov 11, 2020 |
# ? Nov 11, 2020 21:01 |
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One thing I'm optimistic for with Biden is the disappearance of "wow, this archconservative ghoul called Trump a doodoo head (because he's doing fascism wrong), what a hero, welcome to the #resistance" kind of idiocy. Hopefully. And just in general, Trump's removal might actually cause some people to realize that he's just a symptom of the disease. Over the last four years, a lot of people (myself included) finally opened their eyes to the massive problems in American society. But Trump made it so easy for everyone to blame those problems on him and only him. Maybe under Biden, people will see that's not the case.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 21:17 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Bernie's Gonna Win is pointless fluff, and the bulk of the information it communicates is not actually the literal meaning of the words, but if it wasn't clogging up the thread overly I ignored it during primary season. The other three would obviously generate reports, angryposts, and a general reduction in forums experience quality. All four are probateable, but some are more probateable than others. The problem is that you're trying to find some objective standard to apply to something that is ultimately a matter of ideology/values. For example, it's very obvious that the "I'm looking forward to the left making progress under Biden!" posts are equally inflammatory to the "angrily mocking means testing" ones. I would go as far as arguing that posts like the ones you quoted are often in response to the optimistic ones - they're essentially the result of the former posts "making people angry." The same goes for some of the positive posts, which are obviously made with the knowledge that it'll upset the "NoJoes" and in response to their posts. Basically there's a subjective rhetorical distinction between what is inflammatory (and how inflammatory it is) that doesn't actually correspond to the reality of how inflammatory they are or aren't. As you correctly mentioned yourself, this thread is essentially guaranteed to be inherently inflammatory, and IMO you're just going to make people more angry by attempting to limit "posts that make other people mad" in such a thread. Fister Roboto posted:One thing I'm optimistic for with Biden is the disappearance of "wow, this archconservative ghoul called Trump a doodoo head (because he's doing fascism wrong), what a hero, welcome to the #resistance" kind of idiocy. Hopefully. While it remains to be seen how things will end up, I think they might just be replaced by people defending Biden doing terrible things, which isn't really preferable to defending the anti-Trump neocons.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 21:57 |
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Ytlaya posted:
If he gives Kasich a cabinet post "defending Biden doing terrible things" and "defending anti-Trump neo-cons" do the fusion dance.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 22:16 |
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RBA Starblade posted:I'll be honest, all the NoJoes wailing that it's the end of the world Biden won and Trump didn't is making me more excited and hopeful for the new few years. I super love to see how my distaste for a rapist and his constant making GBS threads on my desire for a modern health care system, and worry over how his trans-oppressing VP and her hive may affect my sister, are actually just sublimations of my desire to see Trump win. Eat my entire rear end, man. Fister Roboto posted:One thing I'm optimistic for with Biden is the disappearance of "wow, this archconservative ghoul called Trump a doodoo head (because he's doing fascism wrong), what a hero, welcome to the #resistance" kind of idiocy. Hopefully. I'd like this to be the case, and there will certainly be a few more people cracking and pinging. But even putting aside lovely Democrats, the Biden orbit's already chattering about people like Kasich, Meg Whitman, Charlie Baker, and Jeff loving Flake getting cabinet spots. Plus the signaling about how not only Sanders but also Warren may get shut out of the administration, though granted it's pretty funny to think that Warren might get nothing in return for shanking Sanders. Does optimism at some point morph into willful delusion?
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 22:17 |
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CocoaNuts posted:On the ol' 1 to 10 scale, with 1 being "How soon is the next election so we can find another candidate?" and 10 being "I'm pulsating with excitement and I can smell Joe's hair from here." GreyjoyBastard posted:dial down the preemptive fantasies about how much the libs will suck in various ludicrous ways I disagree with your characterization of my post as ludicrous. It is based on recorded facts and recent history. You can not pretend the past did not happen. Al Gore posted:Good evening. Just moments ago I spoke with George W. Bush and congratulated him on becoming the 43rd president of the United States. And I promised him that I wouldn't call him back this time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w2oaaHRo_A CNN Townhall with Speaker Pelosi posted:DEAN CHIEN, STUDENT, JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY: So, Speaker Pelosi, you resisted calls for the impeachment of President Bush in 2006, and President Trump, following the Mueller report earlier this year. I posit that the democratic party will yield to the republican party as they have done previously. The OP specified a wide range between 0/10 and 10/10. Not a limited moderate range between 4/10 and 6/10.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 22:57 |
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More rumor and analysis and posturing but lmao at the idea this isn't coming and Biden was going to be pushed left rather than push the left off a cliffquote:Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to be frozen out of Biden cabinet, report says
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 23:10 |
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The Oldest Man posted:More rumor and analysis and posturing but lmao at the idea this isn't coming and Biden was going to be pushed left rather than push the left off a cliff I have no problem with Warren and Sanders staying right where they are.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 23:17 |
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I think both Warren and Sanders should stay in the Senate rather than being token show pieces that are shut out of any actual decision-making. I'd prefer if they were recommending people as opposed to getting the pick themselves. But realistically, we all know we aren't getting a leftist firebrand as Labor Secretary or anything. At best we'll get someone who wrote some vaguely progressive papers during their tenure at one of the approved Democratic think tanks. And even if we get that much, they'll be unable to implement any of the milquetoast policies their white papers called for because Uber and Amazon need slave labor to squeeze out any profit.
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# ? Nov 11, 2020 23:50 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I do not agree about the constructiveness of that post, there's no such thing as a constructive disagreeing response to it. The closest you can come is something like "actually i think their coronavirus response will be good", either following up with either more factual-research predictive effort than whippet box offered, or just leaving at that. The second one makes whippet box angrier and contributes not much content to the thread, the first one makes the person putting forth the effort irritated that the exchange was extremely unequal. Obviously as a mod i would prefer to encourage no-effort-met-with-effort over no-effort-met-with-no-effort but I feel like there's a third moderation choice there. Fair enough, that probably wasn't the best example I could have picked. But I think everyone should be able to grasp my point: use hyperbole as sparingly as possible, and ask yourself if it really helps your argument. Otherwise, going off on a tangent of, "Is Joe Biden REALLY a cannibal or is that just poetic license?" isn't going to help one's argument.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 00:23 |
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10/10 excited. I loving hate the poo poo out of trump and every single day I wake up and he's not president I'm going to smile and cry a little bit. But more than that, it's a big deal to have an administration is not going to be removing animals from the endangered species act, understand the global warming is real, and will not deport Dreamers. I am by my nature an extremely cynical person, but it brings genuine warmth to my heart to think that some of these people can stay here where they belong. E: obviously talking about the dreamers with that last sentence, not wolves Pick fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Nov 12, 2020 |
# ? Nov 12, 2020 00:25 |
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You are all hopelessly optimistic.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 00:28 |
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I am very excited for President Biden, and you should be too!
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 00:33 |
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paternity suitor posted:I am very excited for President Biden, and you should be too! Why? Explain why you're excited, and why you think others should be excited as well. Stairmaster posted:You are all hopelessly optimistic. Same with you; why do you think people are being hopelessly optimistic?
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 01:01 |
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Pick posted:10/10 excited. I loving hate the poo poo out of trump and every single day I wake up and he's not president I'm going to smile and cry a little bit. But more than that, it's a big deal to have an administration is not going to be removing animals from the endangered species act, understand the global warming is real, and will not deport Dreamers. I am by my nature an extremely cynical person, but it brings genuine warmth to my heart to think that some of these people can stay here where they belong. Notice how none of these things address the material conditions of millions of americans, because Biden wont do poo poo to actually make anyone's lives better.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 01:34 |
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Dumper Humper posted:Notice how none of these things address the material conditions of millions of americans, because Biden wont do poo poo to actually make anyone's lives better. Not trying to start an argument over Biden's policies because obviously his past with immigration and his current plan with climate change can be picked over. But your critique of the post is inaccurate.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 02:00 |
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Timeless Appeal posted:I think being deported does impact your material conditions and I think global warming does impact people's material conditions. TBF, the quoted post did say “understand global warming is real,” not “understand global warming is real and taking appropriate action to address it.” Insanite fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Pick posted:10/10 excited. I loving hate the poo poo out of trump and every single day I wake up and he's not president I'm going to smile and cry a little bit. But more than that, it's a big deal to have an administration is not going to be removing animals from the endangered species act, understand the global warming is real, and will not deport Dreamers. I am by my nature an extremely cynical person, but it brings genuine warmth to my heart to think that some of these people can stay here where they belong. President Elect Biden does not think climate change is real. Or, he does, but he prefers serving corporate interested. Because he is still proposing actions that are directly opposed to addressing climate change. Fracking alone is non-negotiable.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 02:11 |
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Biden's official stance is a global warming is real, and the Biden plan was consistent with that stance. Fracking is absolutely negotiable, because if that is necessary to win, that is much better than the Trump plan which was to light the West Coast on fire (I live here !)
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 02:35 |
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Pick posted:Biden's official stance is a global warming is real, and the Biden plan was consistent with that stance. Fracking is absolutely negotiable, because if that is necessary to win, that is much better than the Trump plan which was to light the West Coast on fire (I live here !) This is spot on. Biden's plan is essentially a moderate one from a couple of decades ago, when "global warming" was preferred to "climate change." It's pretty lacking for the 2020s, though.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 02:52 |
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Fracking polled in the negatives in Pennsylvania until Biden started pledging his undying love for it and flipped the opinion of 15% of Dems overnight. The idea that you have to run on bad policy to win is an unsupported, unverifiable myth. The choice didn't have to be fracking or Trump. But Biden decided that was the choice he was going to give you, because he cares more about his donors' bank accounts than your not dying in hellfire and you should be angry about that.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 02:54 |
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Biden's stance was no more federal permits to do fracking in areas where the federal government has control, but tbh it's not even clear he could "ban fracking" outside of that. He said this a number of times.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:15 |
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There's a fair bit of difference between trying and being unable to ban fracking, and emphatically talking it up as a thing that will continue to exist as we barrel towards our first Blue Ocean Event.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:18 |
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Pick posted:Biden's stance was no more federal permits to do fracking in areas where the federal government has control, but tbh it's not even clear he could "ban fracking" outside of that. He said this a number of times. And because of the way he said it people like fracking more and we will keep burning gas and climate change won't actually ever be addressed. That's not leadership on climate change. 8 degrees in 2100 isn't better than 10.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:26 |
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Shere posted:There's a fair bit of difference between trying and being unable to ban fracking, and emphatically talking it up as a thing that will continue to exist as we barrel towards our first Blue Ocean Event. I respect someone who understands constitionality, especially a president! Same with the mask mandate, when he was always careful to clarify that a mandate from the office of the executive had to be constitutional.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:29 |
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Klain confirmed as the Chief of Staff: https://twitter.com/shearm/status/1326683721379028993?s=20
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:38 |
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As for climate though,quote:The 10 executive actions Biden has said he will take on his first day as president to combat the crisis and reduce emissions are: I like all these, so if he can do them that's really cool. Trump would do none of these.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:51 |
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I'm cautiously optimistic. Biden is doing exactly what he needs to do at the moment: project calm, reasonable temperament as the fat toddler stuffs his face full of KFC and whines about "legal votes". The contrast is telling and I'm happy to have Biden as president, despite the fact that he's not nearly as leftist as I would like.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:53 |
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Majorian posted:Same with you; why do you think people are being hopelessly optimistic? I mean, I ain't him, but, you know, *gestures broadly at everything Biden has said in the past year* Pick posted:As for climate though, Biden won't do any of these either. Pantry's gonna be bare, Pick, the campaign told us themselves. Don't delude yourself.
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:55 |
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Pick posted:I respect someone who understands constitionality, especially a president! Same with the mask mandate, when he was always careful to clarify that a mandate from the office of the executive had to be constitutional. so you don't really care much about the actual results and impact of things? shrugging and letting hundreds of millions of people die is totally respectful because it's constitutional?
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# ? Nov 12, 2020 04:03 |