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Dumper Humper: Jul 15, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

uber_stoat posted:

done with this.

stop making posting a sexual thing

# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:55

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# ? May 27, 2024 08:22

some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

uber_stoat posted:

done with this.

I mean, good. that's what I wanted

# ? Nov 12, 2020 03:57

Algund Eenboom: May 4, 2014

Everyone here is a tedious psycho parasocial freak loser weirdo lib scold. Not me though

# ? Nov 12, 2020 04:01

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

Dumper Humper posted:

someone else listen to this and tell me the details

i subsequently destroyed my brain with alcohol but i distinctly remember nate agreeing with laying the blame on progressives for bad downballot races by using a single example of someone being down 4 points and then saying it was on the verge between data and anecdote. that's right guys, a single data point isn't an anecdote, you can draw statistical conclusions from that thank u scienceman

and then in the same breath framing bad downballot results as evidence that biden did better than the average dem, rather than the dem strategy of pursing centrists instead of turning out people who aren't white suburbanites being myopic and disastrous for getting anything done in the future

different 538 guy in response to aoc saying "if our strategy was different, we'd win more voters":
"some people might just want to vote republicans." thank u perry bacon whopper jr

i cant remember more im getting angry just thinking about it

# ? Nov 12, 2020 04:17

T-man: Aug 22, 2010; Talk shit, get bzzzt.

the podcast thread may be a contentious place,but we can all agree: hail satan

# ? Nov 12, 2020 04:20

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

T-man posted:

the podcast thread may be a contentious place,but we can all agree: hail satan

hope you were raised satanist

# ? Nov 12, 2020 04:23

uber_stoat: Jan 21, 2001; Pillbug

T-man posted:

the podcast thread may be a contentious place,but we can all agree: hail satan

# ? Nov 12, 2020 04:24

Serf: May 5, 2011

i like podcasts but i also listen to them while working so i kinda drift in and out of it over time

# ? Nov 12, 2020 04:29

TeenageArchipelago: Jul 23, 2013

Algund Eenboom posted:

Everyone here is a tedious psycho parasocial freak loser weirdo lib scold. Not me though

Same but also if you're coming for a podjohn just know that you are going to have to make it through me first, and these fist don't miss

# ? Nov 12, 2020 04:29

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

joepinetree posted:

I am a broken record about the prestige thing, but it's because it is a very, very glaring problem in the existing punditry about free college. Pundits love talking about how in the US you have more low income students enrolled in college than European and Latin American countries with free or low cost tuition. But that is because they keep grouping up community college students in the US with the rest to talk about that. So they will talk about how in Norway most poor kids don't attend college, but that is mostly because in most data trade schools in europe get classified as trade schools, while community colleges in the US get classified as colleges.

I'm preaching to the choir, I'm sure, but poor kids in Norway also don't have to worry about dying in a ditch because they didn't go to college.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 04:52

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

AnEdgelord posted:

My guy, they havent even got to the part where Napoleon is Emperor yet

I looked up the dates to make sure I wasn't too far off

The last AoN episode was about a trial and execution of a royal that took place in March 1804

The expedition to Haiti set out in December 1801

I only vaguely knew the dates because, according to Mike Duncan, Napoleon gave the British the expedition's manifest to assure them he wasn't about to invade British territories in the Caribbean. So it had to take place during the short period of peace between France and the UK.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:04

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

after days of listening to podcasts at 2.5x speed it is disturbing to find out marx and the communist mannifesto were a prussian op

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:05

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

I refuse to believe that Transwoman Muslim Cop is anything more than a Cum Town bit

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:08

MonsieurChoc: Oct 12, 2013; Every species can smell its own extinction.

T-man posted:

the podcast thread may be a contentious place,but we can all agree: hail satan

I'm a Hastur guy. It's chill here in Carcosa.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:11

Doc Hawkins: Jun 15, 2010; Dashing? But I'm not even moving!

Halloween Jack posted:

I refuse to believe that Transwoman Muslim Cop is anything more than a Cum Town bit

she also used to be a troop!

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:12

AnEdgelord: Dec 12, 2016

Atrocious Joe posted:

I looked up the dates to make sure I wasn't too far off

The last AoN episode was about a trial and execution of a royal that took place in March 1804

The expedition to Haiti set out in December 1801

I only vaguely knew the dates because, according to Mike Duncan, Napoleon gave the British the expedition's manifest to assure them he wasn't about to invade British territories in the Caribbean. So it had to take place during the short period of peace between France and the UK.

I could have sworn the Leclerc expedition happened when Napoleon was Emperor. Oh well, thats what I get for not checking dates.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:14

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Halloween Jack posted:

I refuse to believe that Transwoman Muslim Cop is anything more than a Cum Town bit

Doc Hawkins posted:

she also used to be a troop!

hahahaha god drat

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:16

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

AnEdgelord posted:

I could have sworn the Leclerc expedition happened when Napoleon was Emperor. Oh well, thats what I get for not checking dates.

Sending 30,000 men across the ocean to die on a futile expedition to reinstate slavery does seem the type of mistake someone makes only after they crown themselves emperor

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:22

Fluoride Jones: Aug 24, 2009; toot toot

Halloween Jack posted:

I refuse to believe that Transwoman Muslim Cop is anything more than a Cum Town bit

Speaking of it's insane to me that people are obsessing over this woman when they could be obsessing over how Mullen lost 50 grand trading crypto

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:51

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

Sending 30,000 men across the ocean to die on a futile expedition to reinstate slavery does seem the type of mistake someone makes only after they crown themselves emperor

I can see Emperor Norton doing the same poo poo with former African-American slaves and Hawai'i for some reason

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:55

Victory Position: Mar 16, 2004

Fluoride Jones posted:

Speaking of it's insane to me that people are obsessing over this woman when they could be obsessing over how Mullen lost 50 grand trading crypto

*a man stares down a dusky, lonely road, dust blowing down its weathered plain, his eyes veering into the distance as if searching for something long lost*

# ? Nov 12, 2020 05:58

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqvvaJRSlvc

# ? Nov 12, 2020 06:01

Zokari: Jul 23, 2007

the funniest thing about that is even now i dont think he truly grasps that crypto is all bullshit and there is no logic dictating it

# ? Nov 12, 2020 06:02

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

something that was brought up on Trueanon was that cambridge analytica was a bullshit russiagate lib thing that all the libs were making GBS threads out of their rear end for months about. i didn't really follow anything about it, is there a good link on the post-mortem of that media panic?

# ? Nov 12, 2020 06:07

Orb Crabmelt: Jan 16, 2011; Nyorp.; Clapping Larry

Local boy made good donoteat1 was on Harriet Fraad's second podcast It's Not Just In Your Head

https://anchor.fm/itsnotjustinyourhead/episodes/020-Will-Biden-build-me-2-6-single-family-homes--ft--Justin-Roczniak-AKA-donoteat01-elso4f

(Yes, Harriet Fraad has more than one podcast.)

# ? Nov 12, 2020 06:33

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Xaris posted:

something that was brought up on Trueanon was that cambridge analytica was a bullshit russiagate lib thing that all the libs were making GBS threads out of their rear end for months about. i didn't really follow anything about it, is there a good link on the post-mortem of that media panic?

https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1314266181994524674

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/10/06/1602008755000/ICO-s-final-report-into-Cambridge-Analytica-invites-regulatory-questions/

quote:

After more than three years, Elizabeth Denham, the UK�s Information Commissioner, has closed her investigation into improper data handling by the SCL and Cambridge Analytica group.

At first glance her findings, which were released on Tuesday, dispel many of the accusations put forward by whistleblowers and digital rights campaigners over the course of 2018.

The most serious of these was that the digital marketing specialist had colluded with Russia to steer the results of the Brexit referendum and broken US campaign rules during the 2016 presidential election. Campaigners had also previously argued the company failed to delete contentious data sourced from Facebook without users� permission when asked.

Denham told a parliamentary select committee on Friday that �on examination, the methods that SCL were using, were in the main, well recognised processes using commonly available technology�.

But the findings (available here) also introduce questions about the breadth and scope of the regulator�s current remit. Chief among them is whether the ICO, as an independent body funded in part by fees and government grants, is well suited to evaluating wrongdoing � both in terms of resources and expertise � which extends beyond the immediate remit of data protection law and UK jurisdiction.

The origins of its Cambridge Analytica inquiry hark back to a subject access request (SAR) by US academic David Carroll, a US citizen, in 2017. He wanted to better understand how his personal data was being used to profile him for microtargeting in electoral campaigns.

At the time of the SAR, however, it was unclear whether the ICO was obligated to respond to requests originating from foreign citizens, even if they pertained to the handling of their personal data in UK territory. Most lawyers now agree the investigation has set a precedent that they the ICO can and will investigate in such scenarios, exposing the body to potentially even broader internationally-flavoured investigations in the future.

The ICO�s final report noted the Cambridge Analytica probe constituted �one of the largest and most complex ever carried out by a data protection authority�. Analysis by the regulator also touched upon more than 700 terabytes of data seized from the group�s London office under warrant in 2018.

As of October 2018, the ICO�s investigation has run up costs of �2.4m versus an annual budget currently projected to top �50m.

No smoking gun

A key controversy surrounding Cambridge Analytica has been the degree to which the company continued to rely on controversial data sets it acquired from Facebook, even after Facebook had asked them to delete them.

The original Facebook data was sourced from Dr. Aleksandr Kogan, an academic at Cambridge university, who had developed the psychographic techniques which Cambridge Analytica had become known for. While Kogan�s models were informed by data samples generated from a personality test he ran on Facebook with the permission of users, it later transpired the data also included information scraped about the friends of users without permission.

The ICO�s report, however, found that Cambridge Analytica had made efforts to delete the data when Facebook requested it to do so in 2016. The authority also noted the company had begun efforts to replicate the Kogan data on a fully independent and permissioned basis as far back as 2015.

But the report cautioned that some derivative data persisted until it was deleted in 2017, a move signed off by then chief executive Alexander Nix.

The ICO hence noted �it is suspected� that some parts of the original Kogan data may have been used in connection with political campaigning for the US 2016 presidential election, albeit in modelled form:

quote:
For example, it is understood SCL (through contracts with firms including AIQ) deployed advertising on the Facebook Platform which was targeted to specific voter demographics informed by the profiling that had been undertaken by SCL/CA and GSR

Sources at Cambridge Analytica, however, have always disputed this, claiming that the data was only being quarantined for modelling comparison reasons. As it stands, the final report offers no compelling evidence to dispute that.

Guilty of overselling psychographics?

Another unpopular finding by the Commissioner relates to how ineffective the group�s predictive analytics really were. Potentially very. As noted in the report (our emphasis):

quote:
. . . while the models showed some success in correctly predicting attributes on individuals whose data was used in the training of the model, the real-world accuracy of these predictions � when used on new individuals whose data had not been used in the generating of the models � was likely much lower. Through the ICO�s analysis of internal company communications, the investigation identified there was a degree of scepticism within SCL as to the accuracy or reliability of the processing being undertaken. There appeared to be concern internally about the external messaging when set against the reality of their processing.

The group�s famous marketing slogan, meanwhile � that it had over 5,000 data points per individual on 230m adult Americans � was also deemed to have been an exaggeration by the Commissioner. The actual data points the companies held looked more like this:

But what about Brexit?

The scale of Cambridge Analytica�s involvement in the Leave.EU Brexit campaign is probably the question that has plagued UK digital rights campaigners� minds most in recent years. But the conclusions from the ICO report are unlikely to be welcomed.

According to the Commissioner, the authority found (our emphasis):

quote:
. . . no further evidence to change my earlier view that SCL/CA were not involved in the EU referendum campaign in the UK � beyond some initial inquiries made by SCL/CA in relation to Ukip data in the early stages of the referendum process. This strand of work does not appear to have then been taken forward by SCL/CA.

On Russian involvement, meanwhile, the Commissioner reminded that the ICO had already handed over what evidence they had found to the National Crime Agency. The final report by the Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee revealed in February 2019 that this pertained to the discovery of Russian IP addresses in the data associated with Aleksandr Kogan�s server. The Commissioner added the investigation had not found any additional evidence of Russian involvement in material contained in the Cambridge Analytica servers it had since obtained. The National Crime Agency, meanwhile, is yet to pursue any action.

Last, the Commissioner said she identified �no significant breaches of the privacy and electronic marketing regulations and data protection legislation that met the threshold for formal regulatory action.�

The single successful action against the Cambridge group was against SCL Elections for their failure to comply with an enforcement notice sent to them when they were already in administration. The fine paid was �18,000.

But the authority�s penalty actions also extended to the following groups:

� Facebook (�500,000) paid 04 November 2019
� Vote Leave (�40,000) paid 29 April 2019
� Leave.EU (�15,000) paid 15 May 2019
� Emma�s Diary (�140,000) paid 29 August 2018

Who watches the watchmen?

In total, the data trove amassed by the ICO over the course of its investigations included 42 laptops and computers, 700 TB of data, 31 servers, over 300,000 documents, and a wide range of material in paper form and from cloud storage devices.

Now that its investigation has concluded, the ICO will be required under its own data control guidelines to either return the data sets to their owners � in this case SCL�s administrators � or dispose of them securely.

According to the final report, the Commissioner�s office is already ensuring that �any data, models and derivatives are safely destroyed� and that �several items obtained have been subsequently disowned and we are taking measures via our forensic technology provider to destroy these safely ourselves.�

That, FT Alphaville assumes, implies the underlying data that many continue to believe single-handedly �hacked� the 2016 Brexit and American elections, could soon be lost forever.

If that�s the case, it may shortly become even harder to disprove the uncomfortable proposition that Cambridge Analytica�s main data-related crime was overselling its own capabilities rather than actually hacking democracy with the help of the Russians.

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Clibanarius: Sep 22, 2020; by Athanatos

Varinn posted:

whose rereg are you

I really shouldn't say, I had a little wildness in my pre-woke days. Suffice it to say, though, things are stomped in quantities of nearing 5-dozen.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 06:55

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1314266181994524674

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2020/10/06/1602008755000/ICO-s-final-report-into-Cambridge-Analytica-invites-regulatory-questions/

Sources at Cambridge Analytica, however, have always disputed this, claiming that the data was only being quarantined for modelling comparison reasons. As it stands, the final report offers no compelling evidence to dispute that.

Guilty of overselling psychographics?

thanks

good to know online libs were doo-dooing out of their asses turning into anxiety-riddled balls of diarrhea for months at a time for no reason at all.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 07:01

Grevling: Dec 18, 2016

Some people can convert to Islam and then continue to shitpost and make it work but Alice doesn't. She is too unchill and cringe.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 07:29

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

i didnt grow up religious so its all equally foreign to me but if you ask me there's deep issues with anyone who's into it enough to convert. thanks for coming to my TED talk.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 07:33

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

malcom x would have been a good Twitter follow

# ? Nov 12, 2020 07:39

Grevling: Dec 18, 2016

We're getting into the phase of youth radicalism where people give up and start looking inwards.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 07:48

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

re: age of napoleon and the leclerc expedition, i just came across this on wikipedia

quote:

Capois' horse was shot, faltered and fell, tossing Capois off his saddle. Capois picked himself up, drew his sword; brandished it over his head and ran onwards shouting: "Forward! Forward!" (En avant! En avant!). Mesmerized by his valiant courage, the French soldiers temporarily ceased fire as they all applauded Capois. [citation needed]

everyone stood up and clapped

# ? Nov 12, 2020 07:50

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Grevling posted:

We're getting into the phase of youth radicalism where people give up and start looking inwards.

is that what happened to occupy wallstreet? 'first-world problems' and 'check ur privilege' did arise shortly after that collapsed...

# ? Nov 12, 2020 07:56

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

Clibanarius posted:

I really shouldn't say, I had a little wildness in my pre-woke days. Suffice it to say, though, things are stomped in quantities of nearing 5-dozen.

glad the anti-psychotics helped!

# ? Nov 12, 2020 07:57

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

T-man posted:

*taps fedora* atheism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNfjcazPbNA

# ? Nov 12, 2020 07:59

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

also lol at coplady. good rear end twitter arc imo

# ? Nov 12, 2020 08:00

Grevling: Dec 18, 2016

Xaris posted:

is that what happened to occupy wallstreet? 'first-world problems' and 'check ur privilege' did arise shortly after that collapsed...

I was more thinking about the 60's left and the weirdness that came after it, I don't know a lot about occupy as I was too young and oblivious to take part in it at all.

# ? Nov 12, 2020 08:02

Shipon: Nov 7, 2005

Xaris posted:

is that what happened to occupy wallstreet? 'first-world problems' and 'check ur privilege' did arise shortly after that collapsed...

The academic class was deployed to cut off a class focused movement with the progressive stack, and it defanged occupy real quick

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Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Grevling posted:

I was more thinking about the 60's left and the weirdness that came after it, I don't know a lot about occupy as I was too young and oblivious to take part in it at all.

judging by the boomers, i dont think the 60s ever looked inward at all. that was not the problem.

i was there for occupy oakland, and uh, it was weird but felt good in the moment. the larger problem was the finance/media-class got super laser focused on destroying it as soon as it was clear it was going to last more than a weekend and was disrupting the perception of capital and rich people -- that was not to be tolerate. their initial strategy was just ignore it and assume people will get bored and go home lol. so after a week of it going on and it not going away, they kicked off their boots and geared up turning into non-stop 24/7 media working overdrive for the rich benefactors talking about how theres no message, its aimless, just looters and rioters, just wanting to camp in cities and smoke weed, there was no message, no leaders, looters and rioters, they dont want anything no message at all, just criminals and druggies, and then cops swooped in to clean out the remnants by the time it had dwindled to managable levelss. and yeah the academic class swooped in to focus on cishet white privalege and tut-tuting about manspreading micro aggressions and welp trump won 2016 lol

# ? Nov 12, 2020 08:23

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