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putting my money on sowers
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Nov 12, 2020 04:03
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This is sorta random, and I'm really not the type of guy to usually care about this kinda thing too much, but did it feel like Mass Effect, particularly 1, had a super hard-on for militarism? So many people try to defend the Council. "It makes sense they wouldn't trust Shepard's visions. And they do help you at times." But the narrative intent seems plainly to get you fed up with them, to piss you off, as you keep uncovering more and more evidence of the Reapers and each time they just dismiss you. Had it not ben for Anderson helping you escape, everyone be dead. And speaking of Anderson, he and Udina are night and fuckin' day. Anderson is wise where Udina is ambitious. Anderson is helpful where Udina is a hindrance. At every opportunity civilian authority is incompetent and nearly kills everyone while only the soldiers who know what's right, who doe what must be done, saves the day. The politicians of ME1 are the biggest strawmen I've ever seen. I dunno, I just thought ME1 was particularly hamfisted in this regard and it was one of many reasons I just don't like the game. Contrast with DA Origins where a politician saves the day and it was a rogue military veteran "doing what must be done" that nearly got everyone raped to death.
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Nov 12, 2020 04:10
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I've always found ME1's politics to be something that I'm happier ignoring. A lot of it is pretty dumb.
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Nov 12, 2020 04:13
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NikkolasKing posted:This is sorta random, and I'm really not the type of guy to usually care about this kinda thing too much, but did it feel like Mass Effect, particularly 1, had a super hard-on for militarism?
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Nov 12, 2020 04:21
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The game the lets you be a spaceracist has questionable morality??? 
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Nov 12, 2020 05:37
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i don't think you encounter too many civilians in mass effect per se, since the councillors are about as civilian as putin is a civilian and democratically elected leader of russia incidentally, a lot of people picked udina in me1 because he seemed like the kind of nixon-esque monster you wanna square off against the council, which includes a genophage apologist, a turian strongman as the galaxy's muscle, and an asari two-timing everyone for political gain - anderson has a real bad time dealing with all that if he's in charge and the only reason humanity's on pace for a council seat in the first place is because it can supply special forces candidates for spectre who'll operate secretly under the oversight of the council alone... these are not nice people if there is a political statement in mass effect it's probably more about chickenhawks vs warhawks than say, lincolns vs shermans imho
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Nov 12, 2020 06:04
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Humanity's richest man started a terorrist group dedicated to influencing galactic affairs to pro Human ends. He was more or less successful by every measure. Bioware writers definitely had a theme going on in the ME series. The naked pro militarism "humans are the best race on the come up" is just how typical sci fi works. People tend to dislike stories where humans are treated as second class citizens.
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Nov 12, 2020 06:05
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that's a helluva asterisks on successful by every measure seeing as cereberus hilariously failed at almost everything it did period, save lazarus, and tim winds up as an indoctrinated liability with a bullet in his head without particularly advancing humanity unless there's book stuff i'm not aware of but i guess he did get a lot of innocent people killed along with all those legions of cereberus employees that died along the way
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Nov 12, 2020 06:14
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pentyne posted:Humanity's richest man started a terorrist group dedicated to influencing galactic affairs to pro Human ends. He was more or less successful by every measure. I really like the Zones of Thought books for the idea that humanity is just a pointless offshoot that is killed off-the-page...
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Nov 12, 2020 07:22
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pentyne posted:Bioware writers definitely had a theme going on in the ME series. The naked pro militarism "humans are the best race on the come up" is just how typical sci fi works. People tend to dislike stories where humans are treated as second class citizens. Which makes the ending of Mass Effect 3 all the better. It's loving hilarious, and also it's still hilarious that some folks are mad about it. None of the human chest beating to establish dominance over the rest of the galaxy really mattered. Shepard chose the form of Gozer the Destructor, but didn't even imagine Mr. Stay Puft. It's just a game. Sometimes they don't go the way you want. My face is tired. Change the name of the thread to ad the word Legacy in there, like a Legacy Bowser or something.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:47
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if the Council were competent there wouldn't be much of a story - heroic narratives demand the hero be the only person capable of resolving problems but also I wouldn't assume that the Council should be particularly competent just because they're liberal-democratic. as noted, all that means is that the Council's racism is multicultural racism, its violence bureaucratic and cloaked with diplomacy. furthermore, current events have shown us all that even democratically-elected leaders can be staggeringly foolish and short-sighted conversely the original ME1 version of Cerberus is a military black ops unit trying to create alien shock troopers; the quarian military leadership drags the fleet into a desperate war for Rannoch to everyone else's chagrin; the turians planted a genocide bomb on Tuchanka in case the other, bigger genocide didn't stick. it's not a particularly nuanced or thoughtful portrayal but it isn't a case of soldiers always know what's smart and right while politicians are just so dumb and goddamn crazy
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Nov 12, 2020 11:24
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Yeah I thought the ending was kind of pushing you to choose Udina. Wasn't he the paragon option? It's been a long time but I think it was implied that Udina could be a force for good who knew how to play the game whereas Anderson would just be totally out of his element. But then I guess ME3 made him evil.
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Nov 12, 2020 13:58
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hard counter posted:that's a helluva asterisks on successful by every measure seeing as cereberus hilariously failed at almost everything it did period, save lazarus, and tim winds up as an indoctrinated liability with a bullet in his head without particularly advancing humanity unless there's book stuff i'm not aware of he fucks, too
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Nov 12, 2020 14:43
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womb with a view posted:Yeah I thought the ending was kind of pushing you to choose Udina. Wasn't he the paragon option? It's been a long time but I think it was implied that Udina could be a force for good who knew how to play the game whereas Anderson would just be totally out of his element. ME1 always has, and always will, though, be a GOAT strictly for having Shep say 'Go check Saren's body' and your two teammates wander over and just pump his corpse full of lead.
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Nov 12, 2020 14:52
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womb with a view posted:Yeah I thought the ending was kind of pushing you to choose Udina. Wasn't he the paragon option? It's been a long time but I think it was implied that Udina could be a force for good who knew how to play the game whereas Anderson would just be totally out of his element. That was the argument Udina made, but I'm pretty sure he was the renegade option. He sold you out to the council after all.
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Nov 12, 2020 14:58
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Renegade was never even close to a consistent worldview
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Nov 12, 2020 15:06
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TheCenturion posted:
Go "check" Saren's body Wrex
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Nov 12, 2020 15:12
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I'm going to continue not buying more Mass Effect games if they insist on them taking place in Andromeda, a setting that nobody likes with characters everybody hates, over continuing with the Milky Way. Progressing beyond the main trilogy is really only a problem if you don't have a single ounce of creativity or just can't commit to a canon ending for some reason. Who even cares at this point anymore.
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Nov 12, 2020 15:49
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People liked some of the andromeda characters
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Nov 12, 2020 15:52
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I like Clancy Brown, can they cast him as someone else
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Nov 12, 2020 15:52
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El_Elegante posted:Ah yes, I know this is a reference to that Turian council member but all I hear is that line from Deus Ex the Recut
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Nov 12, 2020 17:42
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the Andromeda setting, while a bit of a stretch, contains plenty of material for a good Mass Effect game they are 0-for-1 on that so far though
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Nov 12, 2020 18:12
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All they need to do is have another species unlock their own mass relay and suddenly find themselves the newcomers to the galactic community. Humanity's role as newcomer gets put into perspective as they've become more integrated with society and now they're seeing how the new kids on the block are getting treated. You as the portagonist could lobby for the new aliens' rights by recalling humanity's treatment by the council, or you could flex the space racism angle by taking advantage of how the council is now too focused on the newcomers to deal with human expansionism.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:19
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Pattonesque posted:the Andromeda setting, while a bit of a stretch, contains plenty of material for a good Mass Effect game They're somehow -1 for 1 on it because they turned the DLC from the game into a bad book.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:20
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Kurieg posted:They're somehow -1 for 1 on it because they turned the DLC from the game into a bad book. lol
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Nov 12, 2020 18:28
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I want the next Mass effect to let you choose your race I want to mainline a Volus Thunderball goddamnit. Or a Hanar gunslinger
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Nov 12, 2020 18:30
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I feel like they could release a just multiplayer game and have it do moderately well.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:38
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What's great about Andromeda is that on a game that ends with promise of new adventures with Ryder and friends half of the fans of the game ask for a sequal to take place dozens to hundreds of years later with a new cast. I mean I have read a lot of speculation on that teaser image being in Andromeda but nothing about that 'angaran' being Jaal or the salarian being Kallo or Ryder being there.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:54
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kilus aof posted:What's great about Andromeda is that on a game that ends with promise of new adventures with Ryder and friends half of the fans of the game ask for a sequal to take place dozens to hundreds of years later with a new cast. They have the game end with the human ark becoming a base on a brand-new mysterious planet with thousands of mysteries that was 100 percent going to be the next DLC and you can’t even go outside on it lol
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Nov 12, 2020 19:52
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NikkolasKing posted:This is sorta random, and I'm really not the type of guy to usually care about this kinda thing too much, but did it feel like Mass Effect, particularly 1, had a super hard-on for militarism? Pretty wild that the genocidal superpowers that came out of nowhere with no frame of reference couldn't be stopped by patient diplomacy and economic interventions after a few elections to test out and select from different policy frameworks.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:12
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The council being skeptical in ME1 made perfect sense. It was loving dumb in ME2 after sovereign literally attacked the citadel, though.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:42
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Sigourney Weaver in Galaxy Quest yelling “The episode was badly written!” except it’s all three installments
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Nov 12, 2020 21:00
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Mymla posted:The council being skeptical in ME1 made perfect sense. It was loving dumb in ME2 after sovereign literally attacked the citadel, though. tbh politicians being extremely dumb and inventing their own reality seems very realistic after experiencing the last 4 years
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Nov 12, 2020 21:15
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Mymla posted:The council being skeptical in ME1 made perfect sense. It was loving dumb in ME2 after sovereign literally attacked the citadel, though. The government being skeptical of covid in March made perfect sense. It was loving dumb in October after covid literally infected the president, though.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:19
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TheCenturion posted:The government being skeptical of covid in March made perfect sense. It was loving dumb in October after covid literally infected the president, though. It's really more like if england had refused to declare war on germany even after hitler bombed london.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:20
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The only really intelligent thing to do if you believed in the ME1 reaper threat was to accept your inevitable doom and send some people to another galaxy. ME:A was the only plot other than ME1 that made sense.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:01
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The Council being a bunch of stodgy bureaucrats who refused to do anything in the face of total annihilation was like, the most realistic thing about the politics of Mass Effect.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:15
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And if you do choose Anderson for the council position, he immediately says "hmm maybe this isn't a job for a soldier after all, i'm totally out of my depth" and gives the job to udina anyway maybe not immediately, but eventually anyway
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I had no idea this thread loving existed. Now I’ll stop posting ME poo poo in the Dragon Age thread. Edit: Since I’ll be playing the remaster on PC, here’s my list of demands: 1. 21x9/Ultrawide Support. 2. Minimum 60 FPS especially ME1, which is poorly optimized. 3. Film Grain for ME3, so I don’t need to install an ENB. 4. Full Xbox 360 controller support. There’s mods for PC, but I’d rather it be built in. 5. Proper anti-aliasing that isn’t just post process. Give me TAA which is low cost/high quality and make it not gently caress with shadows in ME1 the way hardware enabled AA currently does. 6. Fix the weird slow-down face glitch that is a repeatable bug in Pinnacle Station. chaosapiant fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Nov 15, 2020 |
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