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Oh no won't someone think of the "media preservation".
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the tl;dr is that if you cold boot your console while offline (e.g. bring it somewhere without internet to play) no disc games will work.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:21
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Wonder if he tried setting it as his home console.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:26
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Anyone that ordered from Microsoft on 11/10 heard anything yet? still nothing over here
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Nov 12, 2020 20:27
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American McGay posted:Wonder if he tried setting it as his home console. His account acknowledging he owns a license for the physical disc in the drive? And yes it was activated as the home console according to his thread. univbee fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Nov 12, 2020 20:29
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So basically they have snuck all the always online DRM they initially proposed for the xbone launch back in 2013 into their console and just not mentioned it this time, and hoped people wouldn't notice?
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Nov 12, 2020 20:37
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Bad Parenting posted:So basically they have snuck all the always online DRM they initially proposed for the xbone launch back in 2013 into their console and just not mentioned it this time, and hoped people wouldn't notice? https://twitter.com/Voxelsaurus_Vex/status/1326649108187131904?s=20
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Nov 12, 2020 20:42
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The issue is a cold boot offline stops this working. Apparently. So for an actual use case of taking your console somewhere to play without internet, you can't.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:45
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Goddamn so every time your Xbox loses power it has to reconnect to the internet before any games work? Holy poo poo!
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Nov 12, 2020 20:46
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Apparently support told him it was an error in the firmware so it might not be intentional. Maybe.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:47
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Gutcruncher posted:Goddamn so every time your Xbox loses power it has to reconnect to the internet before any games work? Holy poo poo! If what’s being reported is true, at least disc games. Maybe digital games you outright own are ok if your console is activated as home console. Not sure about gamepass/XBLG games if they have a buffer the way ps+ and psnow games do.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:48
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univbee posted:If what’s being reported is true, at least disc games. Maybe digital games you outright own are ok if your console is activated as home console. Not sure about gamepass/XBLG games if they have a buffer the way ps+ and psnow games do. Yeah, I'll be shocked if this is the same with digital on home console. I'll test this when I can to verify.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:50
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hatty posted:Anyone that ordered from Microsoft on 11/10 heard anything yet? still nothing over here Still nothing.
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Nov 12, 2020 20:51
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Is anyone other than that twitter man saying this for sure? he also posted this so I'm not sure if he's totally unbiased https://twitter.com/Morfid_plays/status/1323733594041450497?s=20
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Nov 12, 2020 20:52
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univbee posted:If what’s being reported is true, at least disc games. Maybe digital games you outright own are ok if your console is activated as home console. Not sure about gamepass/XBLG games if they have a buffer the way ps+ and psnow games do. If anything it’s even dumber if it’s only disk games doing this
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Nov 12, 2020 20:53
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hatty posted:Is anyone other than that twitter man saying this for sure? he also posted this so I'm not sure if he's totally unbiased It's not unsurprising that somebody who cares about media preservation isn't a fan of gamepass.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:01
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hatty posted:Is anyone other than that twitter man saying this for sure? he also posted this so I'm not sure if he's totally unbiased Found univbees Twitter
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Nov 12, 2020 21:25
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So wait if you do an install off a disc, don't you need the disc in still? I'm all for archival preservation, but barring something like Judgement, why not use a digital version (doesn't mean you can't keep the original)? Lord knows I'm never playing Falcon 4.0 or Janes games anytime soon by I've never tossing those manuals. https://twitter.com/Morfid_plays/status/1326933265849196546?s=20  telecoms could so easily pay this guy to defend and justify data limits in the name of the environment. gently caress THE WHALES! 1TB EACH DAY EVERYDAY! Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Nov 12, 2020 21:31
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There's a certain subset of internet weirdo who love to fantasize about a world without access to the internet and how your technological devices would perform in this world. They get really mad when you can't just take something directly out of the box and instead have to connect it to the internet in order to be able to use it. (Read: basically every piece of technology released in the last 10 years)
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Nov 12, 2020 21:35
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A world with limited internet access is way more common that you give it credit for, especially if you travel. It also means you're screwed for disc games if XBL has an outage.
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American McGay posted:There's a certain subset of internet weirdo who love to fantasize about a world without access to the internet and how your technological devices would perform in this world. They get really mad when you can't just take something directly out of the box and instead have to connect it to the internet in order to be able to use it. (Read: basically every piece of technology released in the last 10 years) I kind of want to shitpost on twitter to him, and suggest, he should upgrade his internet connection. But alas the shitposting boat sailed when I got out of my 20s. univbee posted:A world with limited internet access is way more common that you give it credit for, especially if you travel. It also means you're screwed for disc games if XBL has an outage. I also want to say that this guy strikes me as a person who has every system and could just use them. Marshal Prolapse fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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Nov 12, 2020 21:36
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While the dude may be a poo poo Lord, it's stupid as hell that disc games need the internet to run.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:42
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MazelTovCocktail posted:So wait if you do an install off a disc, don't you need the disc in still? I'm all for archival preservation, but barring something like Judgement, why not use a digital version (doesn't mean you can't keep the original)? Lord knows I'm never playing Falcon 4.0 or Janes games anytime soon by I've never tossing those manuals. It's a good thing an abundance of plastic in the world isn't bad for the environment. Long live disc games!
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Jon Doyle would definitely blow vape smoke into his Xbox and make a video if he actually owned one
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RodShaft posted:While the dude may be a poo poo Lord, it's stupid as hell that disc games need the internet to run.
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MazelTovCocktail posted:So wait if you do an install off a disc, don't you need the disc in still? I'm all for archival preservation, but barring something like Judgement, why not use a digital version (doesn't mean you can't keep the original)? Lord knows I'm never playing Falcon 4.0 or Janes games anytime soon by I've never tossing those manuals. It does rub some people the wrong way in that, in the sense of non-multiplayer games, the disc is supposed to be a "guarantee" of sorts, where you know with full certainty that it will work when you put the disc in the drive no matter what's going on with XBL or PSN or whatever. People are already pretty livid about Blu-ray discs that attempt to impose an internet connection, and in some configurations will refuse to play if it can't grab what it's expecting from the internet. At least if this is a legitimate fuckup on Microsoft's end, it should be fixable at least as far as XB1 games go (since they work straight-up in a One, One S or One X). Series X games don't seem to have the actual game code on the disc, though, from what I'm reading all disc games are just XB1 games which full download the Series X version when put into a Series X console.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:50
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It’s mega lovely that your games will inevitably stop working when the auto server goes away and it’s ULTRA mega lovely that this applies to games you even bought on disk. It’s not dumb or crazy to think this, and it’s a real horrible shame that there are games that will never see the light of day again because of this. As many good things modern digital distribution as brought, this is inarguably a very bad thing. Just imagine for a moment if you had a bluray and it just stopped working because Disney switched that server off.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:50
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Gutcruncher posted:It’s mega lovely that your games will inevitably stop working when the auto server goes away and it’s ULTRA mega lovely that this applies to games you even bought on disk. Thanks to modern technology, that happens: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/20/21297854/samsung-blu-ray-problems-ssl-firmware
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Nov 12, 2020 21:52
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Twerk from Home posted:Thanks to modern technology, that happens: https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/20/21297854/samsung-blu-ray-problems-ssl-firmware That’s pretty hilarious but it’s nowhere near as bad as “not only does this movie I bought no longer function, but neither does every single copy on the planet and nobody has any intention of reprinting it” And yes I realize piracy exists but that’s not something anyone should have to resort to when they paid for a legal copy.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:55
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I haven't really seen the benefits of Quick Resume so far. I've only played Valhalla and Skate 3 (since seeing somebody play the THPS remake recently got me feeling the itch for that again) on my Series S so far, and 3/4 times I flip back to Skate, it's a cold start. This is supposed to work with up to ~6 games?
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Nov 12, 2020 22:02
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Why does MS keep advertising game pass as having 100 games on it when there are now 348 games on game pass?
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404notfound posted:I haven't really seen the benefits of Quick Resume so far. I've only played Valhalla and Skate 3 (since seeing somebody play the THPS remake recently got me feeling the itch for that again) on my Series S so far, and 3/4 times I flip back to Skate, it's a cold start. This is supposed to work with up to ~6 games? They found a bug with some games and they've turned it off on some titles. I thought it was mostly Series X|S Enhanced games, though.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:04
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Tsietisin posted:Why does MS keep advertising game pass as having 100 games on it when there are now 348 games on game pass?
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univbee posted:the tl;dr is that if you cold boot your console while offline (e.g. bring it somewhere without internet to play) no disc games will work. It's 2020. Even if a little kid somehow was in possession of a bran new series X and was allowed to take it to his buddies place for a sleep over, his buddy is going to have internet. There are few if any places you would bother taking a non-portable game console that do not have access to internet. Even then, everyone has a god drat phone with hot spot (except Americans who have to pay for that feature because phone companies hate you) This whole argument was dumb as gently caress in 2013 and it is still loving stupid.
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Tsietisin posted:Why does MS keep advertising game pass as having 100 games on it when there are now 348 games on game pass? 100 is the highest number I can count to.
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404notfound posted:I haven't really seen the benefits of Quick Resume so far. I've only played Valhalla and Skate 3 (since seeing somebody play the THPS remake recently got me feeling the itch for that again) on my Series S so far, and 3/4 times I flip back to Skate, it's a cold start. This is supposed to work with up to ~6 games? Last night I moved between Tetris, Halo 5, RDR2, Grim Fandango, and Halo MCC and it always used Quick Resume, I think.
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After spending a couple of hours with the SX and PS5, it's like Sony hired the design team of the original Xbone hardware and UI team and said make our PS5 thanks!
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404notfound posted:I haven't really seen the benefits of Quick Resume so far. I've only played Valhalla and Skate 3 (since seeing somebody play the THPS remake recently got me feeling the itch for that again) on my Series S so far, and 3/4 times I flip back to Skate, it's a cold start. This is supposed to work with up to ~6 games? It doesn't work with some games. Fortnite doesn't seem to take advantage of Quick Resume, for example. Outside of that, it seems to be slightly variable depending maybe on how big the game save states are? There are some videos of people pushing the limits and hitting like 12. But I think the lower bounds are like 3 games. It is a great feature. But one thing that would make it better is having more direct control over it. Like, if my son loads up a bunch of different games because he is bored, it could potentially push things that I play regularly out of my quick resume list, from what I can tell so far. It would be great if I could flag certain games to stay in quick resume/not get rolled out of it.
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IGutcruncher posted:That’s pretty hilarious but it’s nowhere near as bad as “not only does this movie I bought no longer function, but neither does every single copy on the planet and nobody has any intention of reprinting it” I get the theoretical concern but I've had to activate poo poo on my switch by using my phone as a Hotspot because the switch couldn't deal with motel wifi, and ultimately it's a problem for preservation that game pass or digital licenses have little effect on, because it all really comes down to copyright laws. The desire for (and sometimes fetishism of) ownership is largely a symptom of unnecessary scarcity, particularly for an art form where content "goes bad" quickly due to technology shifts and ridiculous copyright lengths. Any game made prior to at least 2000 should be public domain. Games from back then are largely valueless except to specific niche interests and the market that preys on that niche. Preservation is almost totally meaningless when it's locked in private collections or behind a legal barrier.
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Laserface posted:It's 2020. While I think the guy is a schmo, in 2020 we still have weather events that knock out our internet connections for a week+. There's no excuse to intentionally make a piece of hardware that cannot be used standalone from an internet connection, and hopefully it is a 'bug' (although maybe they're gauging response) and it will be resolved.
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