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apropos to nothing posted:their plan is to build a city in florida that is only for black people called hammer city.  lol groverhaus city
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we will build our groverhaus on the one part of florida that looks like ireland (or is that tuscany or something idk)
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It's for non-white people too. Also can't believe anyone can take that document seriously.
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I understand now. Thanks for the responses.Sheng-Ji Yang posted:fetterman also endorsed some weird centrist family machine democrat dynasty that the DSA was running against in other races iirc That's not good.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:
how is that a city. that's just a weird mansion
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jarofpiss posted:i was thinking this morning about how politics as entertainment has deeply damaged so many brains and irreparably changed the way people view politics. was thinking about my partner’s grandfather who ruined himself with fox news over the last two decades and it made me think about how much of my entertainment i get from places like cspam. and what am i supposed to say? no gently caress YOU MOM, he sucks democrat donkeyballs! CSPAM 4 life! edit: and also... get out of my rooooooom!!! BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:and what am i supposed to say? no gently caress YOU MOM, he sucks democrat donkeyballs! CSPAM 4 life! yes.
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Ferrinus posted:yes. and then i shout OWNED and slam the phone down and mom starts crying. and i'm like yeah... destroyed that lib. all in a good day's work of building socialism! just completely ruin my relationship with my mother over john ossof. but seriously, i'll just be like yeah, he seems nice, i guess. or whatever. i'm not lying, he seems like a nice guy? i've paid attention to him once when he did the "consolidate the data centers" thing. and i'd make fun of him for it, like c'mon you nerd talk about healthcare. i dunno. i think you have to talk to real people and try to create some detachment from the bullshit electoral show. and i'd rather ask her what she thinks. she's my source into the world of people who watch a lot of CNN and MSNBC. it's fine. i don't know everything or have it all figured out. mom is also a big lewis black fan, and he'll make fun of democrats for sucking donkeyballs. it's no big deal. but some posts here, i'll read them and be like goddamn, look up the definition of ressentiment and chill out for a second, taintrunner BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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What are some Marxist positions on Free Speech? It's one area where I feel pretty confused about especially after the banning of Leftists content on Facebook or Twitter.
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A4R8 posted:You are such a terminally online shithead to the point where you spend half your time on this site smugly bitching about a political shitposting forum as if its some sort of “organizing” outlet when it never was. You remind me of the liberals/leftists like lynch_69 and Panzeh (Hitler Ave guy) wandering into the Greenwald thread every other day bitching about how Greenwald is not a communist/leftist when the thread was never about him being a communist or a leftist
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:she'll be like "what's CSPAM? is that one of your forums?" over many years i've managed to radicalize nearly my entire immediate family to at least an explicitly anti-capitalist if not a self-identified socialist place, and my irl friend groups are 95% socialist now as well (meeting through dsa, old friends radicalized, etc). none of them are cspam tier posting socialists but everyone is at least on board with the project. my partner is a paid organizer with dsa and spends all day doing that. i can't spend the same kind of time organizing as she does or we'd have nothing else to talk about and our relationship would dissolve into dsa/twitter drama. i noticed that when we used to have happy hours and i would talk to new members/attendees they were always so stoked to get to have the conversations about their politics in person with people that understood and agreed with them. i always really enjoyed having those conversations because people are so enthusiastic to find like minded people that actually exist in person. it's the same reason i really liked tabling when that was a thing that could happen. i read cspam and think people sound insane sometimes but it's probably the case that most people don't get an outlet to work through this stuff outside of the internet. now i'm kind of realizing i have plenty of comrades around me and i'm very fortunate for that, and i need to make it more of a priority to talk less politics and have shared discussions with friends that aren't just about socialism. i had a fairly decent balance of that for a while but covid and the election really hosed up the ratio and i've found myself spending too much time following politics out of habit and not enough time playing video games or reading bullshit or whatever. it's important for socialists to be relatable and more or less normal, and consuming media that isn't american electoral politics is probably a good step in that direction. at least im not on twitter.
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jarofpiss posted:at least im not on twitter.
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ToxicAcne posted:What are some Marxist positions on Free Speech? It's one area where I feel pretty confused about especially after the banning of Leftists content on Facebook or Twitter. They have nothing to do with each other. Socialism is a mode of production.
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jarofpiss posted:over many years i've managed to radicalize nearly my entire immediate family to at least an explicitly anti-capitalist if not a self-identified socialist place, and my irl friend groups are 95% socialist now as well (meeting through dsa, old friends radicalized, etc). none of them are cspam tier posting socialists but everyone is at least on board with the project. my partner is a paid organizer with dsa and spends all day doing that. i can't spend the same kind of time organizing as she does or we'd have nothing else to talk about and our relationship would dissolve into dsa/twitter drama. jarofpiss posted:now i'm kind of realizing i have plenty of comrades around me and i'm very fortunate for that, and i need to make it more of a priority to talk less politics and have shared discussions with friends that aren't just about socialism. i had a fairly decent balance of that for a while but covid and the election really hosed up the ratio and i've found myself spending too much time following politics out of habit and not enough time playing video games or reading bullshit or whatever. it's important for socialists to be relatable and more or less normal, and consuming media that isn't american electoral politics is probably a good step in that direction. it might've been here in the latam thread, or somewhere else, but i was reading someone talking about the communist party of chile's candidate in their elections, and he's polling competitively for first place. and he's the mayor of a prominent part of santiago and it's run very well. he is focused on rent control and infrastructure and there's the biggest market in town and a university in his zone, so a lot of people travel through it and see it's clearly well run, so hey maybe those communists aren't so scary and might know how to run poo poo. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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GalacticAcid posted:34 year old c-spam goon with a peach fuzz beard and clammy alcoholic skin still screaming at his liberal mother for not voting for bernie panders in the primary I'm reporting this post for doxing
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GalacticAcid posted:34 year old c-spam goon with a peach fuzz beard and clammy alcoholic skin still screaming at his liberal mother for not voting for bernie panders in the primary this is a good genre of dsa guy
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:it might've been here in the latam thread, or somewhere else, but i was reading someone talking about the communist party of chile's candidate in their elections, and he's polling competitively for first place. and he's the mayor of a prominent part of santiago and it's run very well. he is focused on rent control and infrastructure and there's the biggest market in town and a university in his zone, so a lot of people travel through it and see it's clearly well run, so hey maybe those communists aren't so scary and might know how to run poo poo. The Chilean presidential election is in November 2021, the US is absolutely going to gently caress with if not openly (probably the Ecuadorian election, especially it's second round in April). The Latin American left shouldn't be under any illusions we aren't coming for them. (It may be a good idea to prepare.) Ardennes fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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ToxicAcne posted:What are some Marxist positions on Free Speech? It's one area where I feel pretty confused about especially after the banning of Leftists content on Facebook or Twitter. There's a couple of angles to this: 1. "Free speech" tends to be misused (read: deliberately weaponized) by the right in order to smuggle-in their horrific ideology, by moving the discourse towards having to defend the principle of free speech and debating the politics of censorship, rather than the thing that the right-wingers are actually saying (i.e. slavery is good, we need to genocide the minorities, etc.) The proper response to this is that there is speech that we should consider to be unacceptable. 2. The other side of this debate, which confirms the leftist position, is that society already does censor a lot of speech all the time. Specifically, society already considers a lot of left-wing speech to be unacceptable! We already do not have free speech, and the only reason some people are trying to make it a thing, is because, as in point 1, the thing they want to say is currently verboten, and they'd like to change that, but without debating the merits of the thing itself (because slavery / genocide is indefensible), so they shift the battleground to just the literal right to say it, carefully avoiding what is actually being said. 3. The thing that gets confused a lot in these discussions is when a right-winger gets banned from a platform, and the left celebrates it, or when a right-winger says something that they should suffer consequences for, and leftists join-in on making that happen. There's often pushback against such behavior by liberals (Glenn Greenwald is probably the most obvious example of this), who exclaim that by cheering on the banning of a right-winger by corporate overlords, the left is ultimately reveling in the use of a weapon that will only ever be turned back against them. This is not really a contradiction or a hypocrisy, though: in the first place, again, we as leftists already don't have free speech, and our corporate overlords already use that weapon against us all the time, so it hardly makes a difference to us if Baked Alaska gets banned from twitter or whatever. Further, and more importantly, these spaces where people get banned form are not leftist spaces, and are not democratic spaces, and aren't supposed to be, so it's not a reflection on what leftists would do, if they were in charge. I'm not Mark Zuckerberg, and you're not Mark Zuckerberg, and insofar as we might run Facebook differently, we don't, so if some QAnon dipshit gets removed from Facebook, so much the better for us. Does that mean that Facebook might also remove Jacobin for writing an article about Stalin? Perhaps, but we don't control that either way.
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Free speech? No. Free peaches.
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gradenko_2000 posted:There's a couple of angles to this: i respect you greatly gradenko but im pretty sure he's trying to get big posts so we waste time on it. well said however.
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i will be the anime appraiser appraiser, who judges all the anime raters (approx 69,000) and sends them to anime gulag if needed.
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ToxicAcne posted:What are some Marxist positions on Free Speech? It's one area where I feel pretty confused about especially after the banning of Leftists content on Facebook or Twitter. The liberal principle of free speech hides a bunch of different concrete kinds of free speech. Like at least freedom to speak freely face to face with people, freedom to propagandize in favor of policies that would help the prevailing system, freedom to propagandize in favor of policies that would attack it, and freedom to own media conglomerates and make others speak in your voice. (Speech under private platforms like Twitter has never fallen under it though, because on twitter shareholders' property it's their freedom of speech that reigns supreme, it's ultimately their right to try to make their platforms speak like they want to.) Marxists look at these different concrete kinds of "speech" instead of an empty principle of free speech, fight for what seems relevant and useful for regular working people in the conditions they live in, and fight against what seems like it would work against their interests.
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T-man posted:everything i post comes from the fart 
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gradenko_2000 posted:There's a couple of angles to this: i think on point 3. there's also a distinction between what controls on speech would look like in a socialist society vs our current state. im certainly not going to support/advocate for further empowering the american state to censor speech in the same way i'm not going to support increasing funding to the fbi in the hopes they use it to stop right wing militias. that doesn't mean i won't be happy to see the existing state used against fascists though, because it's good when bad things happen to them. i think people often conflate the two when they're arguing about principles. like the places i want my principles to be reflected in the american state are in places where they undermine the strength of capital, not in the areas that they could be further used against me. i want medicare for all, i don't want the us government hate speech laws that will ultimately make cops a protected class. jarofpiss fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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Larry Parrish posted:i respect you greatly gradenko but im pretty sure he's trying to get big posts so we waste time on it. well said however. This isn't the case at all?!? Didn't know that asking questions in the Marxist theory thread made me a bad faith poster. ToxicAcne fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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