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Edgar Allen Ho posted:What? Americans of all political views notoriously distrust the government, to the point it’s deleterious to us when the government actually attempts good things, and our propaganda overwhelmingly encourages this. We also tend to attribute government successes to the private sector, again, even those on the left.
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I don't think Edgar Allen Ho's quote is really accurate for left-wing Americans. I don't think they distrust the government as a concept, but they do tend to attribute any type of government failure to external influences or to malicious actors within the government. Like see the Debate and Discussion Energy Thread, which probably should be renamed to the Nuclear Energy Thread, the most popular and favorite topic among its posters. In the thread, it is believed that the reason why the United States isn't being powered 100% by nuclear electricity has nothing to do with the complexity and high cost of nuclear power plants, which might be fundamental to the technology, and has everything to do with the technology being sabotaged by government regulators and by well-meaning but ignorant environmentalist groups.
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Nov 11, 2020 11:37
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silence_kit posted:I don't think Edgar Allen Ho's quote is really accurate for left-wing Americans. I don't think they distrust the government as a concept, but they do tend to attribute any type of government failure to external influences or to malicious actors within the government. There are some issues with the well-meaning but ignorant environmentalist groups/people who watched Chernobyl, but yeah, the sheer scale of nuke plants is a huge part of it. I worked on a 1.1GW natural gas power plant and that was insane and had tons of hitches like any project that scale would, and that has nothing on a nuclear plant.
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Nov 11, 2020 14:48
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Tiggum posted:The government as an abstract concept, maybe, but American politicians are treated like celebrities. People actually like them and think they're good. It's incredibly weird. This is a small handful of politicians though. Most people don't know the names of anyone but the president, the most influential or interesting senators (whose jobs they cannot describe beyond "republican/democrat"), and the handful of celebrities. Like, I currently live in AOC's district. Everyone knows her. She is a celebrity. A lot of people cannot name either of our senators, despite one being the loving dem leader and one having run for president. And that's a politically-engaged metropolitan stronghold. Most people in my hometown cannot name our house rep, even though they just re-elected him. Despite that in 2018 there was a huge kerfuffle because he came in second in the GOP primary, and all the other voters rallied behind him in the runoff to displace the frontrunner. Hell, most people can't name our senior senator that they just re-elected, or his even boringer opponent, only Ted Cruz, because he's famously a weirdo that the other GOP senators hate and the base loves. There's "the government" and then there's "one of our dozen guys." Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 14:59 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Nov 11, 2020 14:56
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:This is a small handful of politicians though.
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Nov 11, 2020 14:58
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It's because politics is just sports teams for self important people.
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Nov 11, 2020 19:16
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Solice Kirsk posted:It's because politics is just sports teams for self important people. 
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Nov 11, 2020 19:17
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*nods sagely*
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Nov 11, 2020 20:09
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I honestly don't get why DC should be a state instead of being annexed into Maryland. e: unless the goal is to stack the senate then yeah, but instead we should abolish or sideline the senate, and expand the house to at least 1000 reps. Stacking the senate can easily come back to bite us, or whoever's alive in 100 years. And if we're making cities into states then make NYC into one before loving DC. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 22:17 on Nov 11, 2020 |
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Nov 11, 2020 22:12
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I honestly don't get why DC should be a state instead of being annexed into Maryland. The federal government can't carve new states out of existing ones without the consent of the state. DC isn't a state, so the feds can just point and go "statehood", while New York would have to consent to lose NYC.
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Nov 11, 2020 22:26
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Because the people of DC want to be a state, not part of Maryland.
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Nov 11, 2020 22:27
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Gripweed posted:Because the people of DC want to be a state So do the people of the State of Jefferson. Wanna give them two senators?
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Nov 12, 2020 00:27
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Why doesn’t my state just take over your shitass state?
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Nov 12, 2020 01:58
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oldpainless posted:Why doesn’t my state just take over your shitass state? What would you do with it? Why would you want one? So many questions going through my head.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:So do the people of the State of Jefferson. Wanna give them two senators? No because that would run contrary to my political goals.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:So do the people of the State of Jefferson. Wanna give them two senators? Jefferson would require Oregon and California to agree to losing territory.
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Nov 12, 2020 02:08
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the preraphaelite brotherhood made ugly rear end paintings that suck and which belong on magic:the gathering cards not in a museum
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Nov 12, 2020 09:08
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Pitbulls are ugly dogs. American Eskimo dogs are the absolute cutest but golden retrievers are a close second.
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Nov 12, 2020 10:28
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Telemaze posted:Pitbulls are ugly dogs. American Eskimo dogs are the absolute cutest but golden retrievers are a close second. I'm not going into the whole cuteness of dogs, rated thing, but the best dog is suomenpystykorva ("Finland's upright-ear" i.e. Finnish Spitz) because dog people get mad when you call them suomenpystykoira ("Finland's upright dog") instead  (Dog people have zero sense of humour.)
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Nov 12, 2020 10:32
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Shibawanko posted:the preraphaelite brotherhood made ugly rear end paintings that suck and which belong on magic:the gathering cards not in a museum Maybe back when MtG artists were allowed to have their own styles. Doesn't fit the modern, homogeneous style at all.
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Preraphaelite paintings remind me of the covers of historical novels aimed at women. I don't think that's the preraphaelite's fault.
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Golden Retrievers are the most overrated dog breed. We get it, they’re friendly and easily trained. Thank you. Let’s move on.
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Nov 12, 2020 21:43
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Gripweed posted:Because the people of DC want to be a state, not part of Maryland. Also because the capitol should be independent and not give one state disproportionate power over the capitol city. If DC became a state then just the area where the federal buildings are woukd be the federal district.
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Nov 13, 2020 05:34
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christmas boots posted:Golden Retrievers are the most overrated dog breed. You prefer dogs who are aloof and never listen? Pretty sure they just call those "cats". This isn't really true ofc, cats are fantastic (especially mine).
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Nov 13, 2020 08:13
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christmas boots posted:Golden Retrievers are the most overrated dog breed. "Friendly" and "easily trained" are traits that are very commonly sought after though. Plus, they're cute.  Telemaze posted:This isn't really true ofc, cats are fantastic (especially mine). I love cats but the ones with pug noses, the ones that look like Ron Perlman, and the ones that look like Richard Belzer are so ugly. I always feel bad about thinking specific breeds of any animal are ugly though, because it's not like they can help it or anything.
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YeahTubaMike posted:"Friendly" and "easily trained" are traits that are very commonly sought after though. Plus, they're cute. What about the cat that looks like Adam Driver?
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3D Megadoodoo posted:What about the cat that looks like Adam Driver? Pics? I think you might be describing the Richard Belzer cats.
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YeahTubaMike posted:Pics? I think you might be describing the Richard Belzer cats. 
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my cat is still a kitten and my greatest fear is that she will grow up to be a driver / belzer cat
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Australia and NZ should really have ditched the colonial flags by now. Same goes for Ontario, Manitoba, BC.
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Nov 14, 2020 03:21
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Thundercats Roar is much better than the original or any other reboot of thundercats
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I honestly don't get why DC should be a state instead of being annexed into Maryland. new york would have to agree to carving out NYC as its own state, which they won't. you can with DC because its land doesn't presently belong to a state. it's constitutional stuff. same reason we can't consoldiate the Dakotas without their consent. State of Jefferson isn't a useful comparison because it also would involve striking territory from Oregon and California which wouldn't agree to do so.
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Nov 14, 2020 04:26
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Lol that both pick and a dedicated socialist have the same argument revolving around US law. Since when do socialists care about US law? The reason DC should be a state and Jefferson shouldn’t has nothing to do with the will of the people of those places, and everything to do with manipulating the law to make more democratic senators. I’m on board and I loving hate the dems, even though having the senate would be nice. But can we just be honest and say it’s political expedience? If there was a Harris County sécession movement from Texas no one here would give a poo poo about whether the people of Texas wanted it to secede. They’d be all on board for the people of Houston.
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Nov 14, 2020 06:03
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Lol that both pick and a dedicated socialist have the same argument revolving around US law. Since when do socialists care about US law? Well the other reason is that the people of DC have no national political representation at present unlike all of those "reshuffle people from existing states into a different one" proposal. That's the difference. The Senate should be torn down and rebuilt from scratch or maybe just the first part, but that's a separate question.
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Nov 14, 2020 06:08
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naw like, article VI Section 3:quote:New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.
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Nov 14, 2020 06:14
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Lol that both pick and a dedicated socialist have the same argument revolving around US law. Since when do socialists care about US law? Well, yes, but it's also political expedience that's basically painless to pull off, while more fun things like uniting a bunch of the empties into one state with just two senators, or ejecting states from the government until they stop being poo poo is harder to do.
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Nov 14, 2020 06:58
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Laws don't mean poo poo, there is a whole system of government to change laws. Too bad the US is broken as poo poo and nothing will ever get passed due to legalized bribery, gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc.
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Pick posted:naw like, article VI Section 3: Our most holy Basileus already made that point without having to quote the constitution
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Pick posted:Thundercats Roar is much better than the original or any other reboot of thundercats This isn't an opinion but your opinion on a kids' TV show got me thinking about things in general and I just realized there's probably loads of Snorks porn and the phrase "Snorks porn" sounds funny. Thanks for reading.
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Why don't you go look it up since you love it so much.
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