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If you're doing bog-standard xcode development you have a good chance of just checking the aarch_64 box and recompiling. Most aren't that lucky.
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:some huge need expertise here about chip design - who knows about software migration? how involved is it for a typical third party software developer to get running on an arm mac? like, properly. Worst case it just gets emulated? Here's an interesting post about porting R over to Apple Silicon https://developer.r-project.org/Blog/public/2020/11/02/will-r-work-on-apple-silicon/
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Nov 12, 2020 13:39
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FCKGW posted:Costco put the Intel Air and entry MBP on heavy discount if anyone still wants to pick up an Intel Mac. Between $150 and $250 off Apple pricing, comes with 2 year warranty too. Nice deals on /r/appleswap too right now
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Kreeblah posted:I mean, it was always my backup plan if I either couldn't get an MBP specced out like I wanted, or if the ARM Macs ended up being significantly better than the Intel ones. I just . . . didn't expect that second part to be true. Waiting is definitely wise. Obviously there is no 16” anyway and there is always a chance the first run has some kind of defect that doesn’t start showing up until a few months in or something. Also the current title is literally something I said after I bought a 16” and then the Apple updated it a month or so later with a much faster GPU option. I really thought about just returning it until I realized the new GPU option is ~$700, so I know how you feel.
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Ok Comboomer posted:petitioning to change the thread title to: "M1 A1. Thousand miles an hour." Thank you for the new thread title and thank you Inept for the report!
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Nov 12, 2020 16:19
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I really hope the arm macs do get updated on a yearly cycle. I want a new mini, but not badly enough to deal with a Gen1 Mac. I got burned bad by the Core Duo laptops back in 2006. I can wait a year, but I really don’t want to wait longer than that.
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Nov 12, 2020 16:24
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FCKGW posted:I don’t get the new title https://youtu.be/HWvPWQCWbsU
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Nov 12, 2020 16:28
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Completely unrelated to new processors... What's a reasonable expectation of battery life on 16" MBP connected to a monitor, running a video chat in the background, with the creative suite, plus a few Safari browser windows. I started at 100% an hour and a half ago and it's about to die.
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yoohoo posted:Completely unrelated to new processors... What's a reasonable expectation of battery life on 16" MBP connected to a monitor, running a video chat in the background, with the creative suite, plus a few Safari browser windows. I started at 100% an hour and a half ago and it's about to die. Unfortunately probably about right. In my experience video chat destroys the battery on my 16”.
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Nov 12, 2020 17:51
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grahm posted:Unfortunately probably about right. In my experience video chat destroys the battery on my 16”. Ah good to know -- I wasn't sure if my battery was bad or what. I know I'm running a lot but I don't what batteries are capable of these days.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:59
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yoohoo posted:Ah good to know -- I wasn't sure if my battery was bad or what. I know I'm running a lot but I don't what batteries are capable of these days. You're causing the AMD graphics chip to turn on by connecting the external monitor, AND the video conference deal sucks battery.  On the bright side the M1 MacBooks will have 'double the life' during video conferencing so you could go 6 hours with one. 
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Nov 12, 2020 19:14
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Bob Morales posted:Worst case it just gets emulated? Actual worst case is in a couple macOS revisions, Apple removes Rosetta 2. Given the history this seem guaranteed. But I think with the experience of PPC and 32-bit Intel, (and OpenGL) we’re all used to the idea that macOS is not about backward compatibility, outside of (brief) transition periods.
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Escape Goat posted:Actual worst case is in a couple macOS revisions, Apple removes Rosetta 2. Given the history this seem guaranteed. Wasn't the previous Rosetta discontinued because Apple didn't want to pay to keep licensing it?
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Apple is pretty quick with removing backwards compatibility in general, I wouldn't expect Rosetta 2 to be around forever, or even 10 years.
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Bob Morales posted:Wasn't the previous Rosetta discontinued because Apple didn't want to pay to keep licensing it? Who were they licensing it from? I always thought that was an internally developed thing, or were they paying to license the PowerPC stuff?
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frogbs posted:Who were they licensing it from? I always thought that was an internally developed thing, or were they paying to license the PowerPC stuff? Transitive who was later bought by IBM.
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ptier posted:I feel like I have been pulled into the field. I’m excited to get a new laptop and I want to see what it will do. But I think that I’m gonna cancel the order and wait for the reviews. Oh and today I’m glad I canceled. Completely forgot to use my edu discount. So awaiting the reviews!
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Nov 12, 2020 23:55
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Lmao I ordered an Intel MacBook Pro three weeks ago and I just got an email saying they shipped my ARM MacBook Pro. Thanks for asking.
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Nov 13, 2020 01:23
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Ok Comboomer posted:yeah, Linus was like offended and angry that Apple would put “an iPad chip in a Mac and charge money for it” i feel like this happens with a number of things he does. not saying he's not popular of course but i would never rely on a channel like that for an actual analysis of a processor, say.
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mediaphage posted:i feel like this happens with a number of things he does. not saying he's not popular of course but i would never rely on a channel like that for an actual analysis of a processor, say. Anthony’s really good at what he does I find the two other weirdos alternately funny enough and super grating
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funmanguy posted:Lmao I ordered an Intel MacBook Pro three weeks ago and I just got an email saying they shipped my ARM MacBook Pro. Thanks for asking. Did you order the entry level 8th gen Intel one? That literally doesn't exist anymore, at least if you're buying from Apple. Still tons in the retail channel elsewhere though.
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Nov 13, 2020 03:05
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Ok Comboomer posted:Anthony’s really good at what he does Linus is like the anti Anthony. Anthony knows his poo poo. Linus knows some stuff very well, but has this weird blind eye to Apple poo poo, like this M1 chip.
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LionArcher posted:Linus is like the anti Anthony. Anthony knows his poo poo. Linus knows some stuff very well, but has this weird blind eye to Apple poo poo, like this M1 chip. That can be entertaining at times, like the one where Linus seeks to find out why the 2018 non-retina MBA is the most popular laptop on Amazon (this is like spring 2019, I think) and he winds up giving it a ringing endorsement and being really impressed after seemingly coming in skeptical
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Nov 13, 2020 03:12
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Eagerly anticipating the absolute poo poo-show that'll be the Adobe Suite on ARM
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FCKGW posted:Did you order the entry level 8th gen Intel one? That literally doesn't exist anymore, at least if you're buying from Apple. I’m aware but the university I work at isn’t allowed to purchase from anyone other than Apple. I would have gotten it refunded.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Eagerly anticipating the absolute poo poo-show that'll be the Adobe Suite on ARM You mean the version that will actually run SLOWER than the Intel version because Adobe has programmers who should be bagging groceries instead of coding?
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:some huge need expertise here about chip design - who knows about software migration? how involved is it for a typical third party software developer to get running on an arm mac? like, properly. Can vary pretty heavily from product to product. I've worked on Mac version of a product that had assembly code (ugh) which would have to be rewritten for new platforms. That blows. Also, sometimes stuff may have been built with an older SDK and now there are a bunch of things to fix when you build with the newest SDK. Binary Badger posted:You mean the version that will actually run SLOWER than the Intel version because Adobe has programmers who should be bagging groceries instead of coding? Adobe can basically continue to extract money from you without doing anything. Ah, the subscription model.
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Next Adobe suite will just run in chrome, and use as many tabs as you want. That way they won’t have to worry about compiling for M1 at all.
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The length of time it took for them to even support retina was tbh extremely irritating
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funmanguy posted:Lmao I ordered an Intel MacBook Pro three weeks ago and I just got an email saying they shipped my ARM MacBook Pro. Thanks for asking. thank you for your service o7
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Ultimate Mango posted:Next Adobe suite will just run in chrome, and use as many tabs as you want. I guarantee you some executives there have pitched this even before Apple Silicon
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:some huge need expertise here about chip design - who knows about software migration? how involved is it for a typical third party software developer to get running on an arm mac? like, properly. https://youtu.be/kcfGsOKXO5M If it’s the software from oss stuff like homebrew I’d expect it’s already very portable, just needs to be recompiled for the new hardware. Java JVM is forthcoming. https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/22/microsoft-contributes-to-java-port-for-apple-silicon-macs Your typical electron apps will port over without changes as soon as there’s a chromium version out. As far as cocoa Mac desktop apps, I can’t speak to that. I’m looking at the Mac software title “We still exist!” and gently caress, I dunno. (Then again I spend all my time in electron apps and IntelliJ) if they’re continuing with the SOC where the ram is going to be part of the package I’d expect them to go with denser DDR5 before the it’s available for PC https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2020/10/7/21506883/ddr5-ram-memory-first-modules-sk-hynix So if it’s my money, I’m holding off on a purchase. Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Nov 13, 2020 |
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Binary Badger posted:You mean the version that will actually run SLOWER than the Intel version because Adobe has programmers who should be bagging groceries instead of coding? I always thought Adobe was some sort of offshored nightmare of legacy poo poo Small White Dragon posted:
Are you mean like altivec stuff?
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adobe is so loving awful, truly the general motors of software the new face manipulation tools in photoshop seem cool until you realise it takes 10-15 seconds to do the calculations iN tHe cLoUd, while snapchat and instagram do virtually the same in realtime on a loving phone do the adobe dev tools run in flash or??? Coffee Jones posted:You’d have to catch the keynote but I think Adobe was promising a port then. I remember Wolfram Mathematica but that runs on everything from Alpha to 68k i wonder if the 16gb ram limitation for the m1 macs is a repeat of the limitation where apple only offered macbooks with up to 16gb because the intel chipsets didn't support low power ddr ram? in which case, what you are suggesting would fit with the design choice, since apple would be all about low-power components to bolster their battery life and efficiency goals or it is just an architecture limitation, but hopefully a resident silicon wizard can provide some insight
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Since Apple is planning to release Mac Pro’s and iMacs with Apple Silicon I’m absolutely certain they can have as much RAM as they want. They just limited the smaller computers because they are confident 16GB combined with their usual software optimisation is enough for regular users. They save a lot of money by shipping their devices with less memory (savings scale with production) compared to having developers write more efficient software (costs stay the same regardless of how many devices are sold).
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I guess it's hard to tell before reviews are out, but my sister wants to get a MacBook for college and I'm wondering if she should use this opportunity to get an Intel one on sale from Costco or wait until next year to use her Edu discount and get an ARM version. I doubt she's going to need it for anything more intense than what the base model MacBook Air can handle as she's going to be in the Education department.
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If she's the type of person to keep the computer for a while, definitely don't buy an Intel now that Apple is transitioning. Unless she needs anything based on Windows, as Apple hasn't said anything about Windows 10 on ARM running on these things (but why would you buy an Apple computer in that case).
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Shyfted One posted:I guess it's hard to tell before reviews are out, but my sister wants to get a MacBook for college and I'm wondering if she should use this opportunity to get an Intel one on sale from Costco or wait until next year to use her Edu discount and get an ARM version. I doubt she's going to need it for anything more intense than what the base model MacBook Air can handle as she's going to be in the Education department. I would just wait and use her edu discount on whatever computer is recommended by the college. There may still be software incompatibilities that might be a bummer for her major.
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Fair enough. I didn't even think about the fact that colleges might recommend laptops now.
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