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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5zQIKeh9B4 Relevant, I think.
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Nov 13, 2020 01:38
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numberoneposter posted:I think it's safe to say that First Contact ruled.
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Nov 13, 2020 01:38
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numberoneposter posted:Notable First Contact quotes: With all the poo poo Worf's put up with over the years, he'd earned a line like "Assimilate this" and actually landing the kill.
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Nov 13, 2020 01:42
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Neddy Seagoon posted:With all the poo poo Worf's put up with over the years, he'd earned a line like "Assimilate this" and actually landing the kill. I really like how the Bajoran lt on Lower decks is so obviously a worf knock off of literally begging the captain to let him shoot something and never getting to.
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Nov 13, 2020 01:42
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Tighclops posted:I never read Michael Pillar's book about it but I got the impression insurrection would have been a better film were it not for Patrick Stewart meddling in the script It's actually quite the opposite, Stewart spiked some pretty bad ideas. The book is worth a read. It more comes down to there never being a solid premise for the story locked down, many people having input into the process and pulling things in different directions, and the main writer being overly fixated on the concept of "going back to the TNG people love" which is practice meant writing stuff that had been done before, done better and things the characters had long developed past.
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Dabir posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5zQIKeh9B4 lmao
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Insurrection kind of flirts with some of the 'darker war Starfleet' stuff from DS9 but only barely. There's only one or two mentions of the Dominion War at all. I feel like you could have told a darker story about how Starfleet has strayed from its morals, but the parts of it that are in the movie are overshadowed by Ru'afo being an over-the-top rear end in a top hat, and Admiral Dougherty dies like midway through the movie and isn't mentioned again. In the novels they expounded on the 'holoship' idea and said that Section 31 was responsible which makes sense.
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Crusader posted:i read and understand the words "patrick stewart does not enjoy playing a cerebral picard but would prefer it if picard had been action captain" but it just sounds so impossible because he was so great at playing that loving character most of the time on tng I'm not sure he really didn't like playing the more cerebral Picard on TNG, I think it's more that he had grown bored of it and wanted to do something different.
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Nov 13, 2020 05:48
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm not sure he really didn't like playing the more cerebral Picard on TNG, I think it's more that he had grown bored of it and wanted to do something different. If so he was bored by season three (Captain's Holiday)
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CainFortea posted:I really like how the Bajoran lt on Lower decks is so obviously a worf knock off of literally begging the captain to let him shoot something and never getting to. And then his joy when he finally gets to pew pew some things on a life-or-death mission. "THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE!"
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infernal machines posted:If so he was bored by season three (Captain's Holiday) lol: 
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Nov 13, 2020 06:05
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patrick stewart..... is red squad????
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Nov 13, 2020 06:09
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Patrick Stewart is a "bruh!" away from being a Chad
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Nov 13, 2020 06:44
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You've all seen his guest bit in Extras, right?
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My Lovely Horse posted:You've all seen his guest bit in Extras, right? I’ve seen everything
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Haha, the full bit isn't on youtube, but this is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JsMtqTioOE (the full bit probably is on youtube I'm just too lazy to dig deeper)
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So Avery Bullock from American Dad is closer to real Patrick Stewart than Jean Luc Picard ever was? I'm not sure how I feel about this news. Thankfully I've always trusted that Sisko is best captain even if he genocided once. It was a weird situation, okay?
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Nov 13, 2020 09:12
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Tighclops posted:Seeing the Enterprise save the Defiant was totally loving badass and there can be no modern equivalent The Titan saving the Cerritos. 
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Nov 13, 2020 13:17
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Fabulousity posted:Thankfully I've always trusted that Sisko is best captain even if he genocided once. It was a weird situation, okay? Captains can have little a genocide, as a treat
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Nov 13, 2020 17:50
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The ends justified the means, besides it was more like forced migration at the threat of genocide. Not the same!
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Nov 13, 2020 18:49
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Garak was ready to do a little genocide in the name of self defense.
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And as far as forced migration goes, both Data and Picard do it in TNG
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Nov 13, 2020 18:51
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Mulaney Power Move posted:And as far as forced migration goes, both Data and Picard do it in TNG Yeah but half the time they seem kinda sad about doing it
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Nov 13, 2020 19:11
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Gutcruncher posted:Yeah but half the time they seem kinda sad about doing it That's the strong moral core of TNG
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Nov 13, 2020 19:49
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im dumb, who does sisko genocide?
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jsoh posted:im dumb, who does sisko genocide? At one point, after the Maquis launch a weapon at one of the disputed planets with a toxin fatal to Cardassians but harmless to humans, making the Cardassians evacuate, Sisko launches a weapon at one of the disputed planets with a toxin fatal to humans but harmless to Cardassians, making the humans evacuate.
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probably worth noting the Maquis were planning on doing that to all the other Cardassian DMZ colonies as well. another descriptor for this is ethnic cleansing like, in terms of war crimes committed, Eddington is still way ahead of Sisko, just in that episode alone
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Nov 13, 2020 21:00
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the toxins did not have any immediate effect and there was plenty of time to evacuate. also, they were free to move to the nearby newly vacated planet and its not like the colonists had been there for very long. no one died, no culture or ethnic group was destroyed. it wasn't genocide. it is absolutely certain that everyone who signed on to colonize planets in disputed territory were told exactly why that was a bad idea. however, they had to have their own planet with no one else on it. every single federation colony in tng onward was a single tiny settlement on an otherwise empty planet, and the idea of making a second tiny settlement on one of those worlds was simply abhorrent.
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If we're going to have this argument for the fiftieth time, shouldn't we at least add a tortured topical twist? Feds = US, Maquis = Kurds, Cardassians = Turkey
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Nov 13, 2020 21:34
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Not to mention the Maquis doing poo poo like faking a distress call to disable a starship and steal some replicators. And the Maquis could have easily just decided to stay on one planet but no, they had to have a village worth of colonists on a bunch of planets instead. Also Sisko did nothing wrong.
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Nov 13, 2020 21:35
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:every single federation colony in tng onward was a single tiny settlement on an otherwise empty planet, and the idea of making a second tiny settlement on one of those worlds was simply abhorrent.  lol federation colonies are basically subdivisions, which explains why they're so full of regressive cranks and are likely to devolve into to subsistence farming or rape gang planets
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Nov 13, 2020 21:46
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mossyfisk posted:If we're going to have this argument for the fiftieth time, shouldn't we at least add a tortured topical twist? nah, the Maquis aren't an actual civlization or society. It's a bunch of different societies who's only common factor is they hate cardassians. Like, the federation was offering to move them and help them rebuild. And it's not like they're leaving their ancestral places, they were only there for a few years.
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Yeah the Maquis are like the French Resistance of the Nazis, and are named after a portion of them. La Résistance was not any kind of focused ethnonational or even political group. It was a massively broad coalition of people from dispirate classes, political groups, and religions, including people from outside France, all united in routing the Nazis.
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Nov 13, 2020 22:56
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mango sentinel posted:Yeah the Maquis are like the French Resistance of the Nazis, and are named after a portion of them. La Résistance was not any kind of focused ethnonational or even political group. It was a massively broad coalition of people from dispirate classes, political groups, and religions, including people from outside France, all united in routing the Nazis. The maquis are equivalent to white supremacists or white separatists. Acceptable races like human, vulcan, bolian whatever are the dominant 'white' races, and cardassians are the hated other.
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Nov 13, 2020 23:21
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The maquis were space libertarians and it was really funny when sisko gassed the poo poo out of them
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hakimashou posted:The maquis are equivalent to white supremacists or white separatists. 
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