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Alucard
Mar 11, 2002
Pillbug

Instant Jellyfish posted:

How long ago was her spay? And she just got off her meds yesterday?

My guess is she’s still uncomfortable from either the procedure or coming off her meds and it’s just going to take a couple weeks for her to get back to normal. It couldn’t hurt to call your vet and see if this is normal for whatever meds she was on and if they have any suggestions.

Spay was last Monday, her pain meds ended over a week ago and her sedatives ended about 3 days ago. Everything I've read about trazodone says it clears the system in around 24h, but we haven't talked with our vet yet. She's generally back to normal in almost all other aspects of her behavior, it's just the night-time crating that's causing issues. Thankfully yesterday she didn't bark her head off all night at nothing like the night before, so there's some improvement.

We're hoping that this living room accommodation thing doesn't end up setting back any stuff with her being okay with nighttime crating even further though.

Alucard fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Oct 23, 2020

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
Any tips on dealing with "excitement peeing" ?

Now that I'm going back into the office for work, when I get home, it's a thing, apparently.

Hazo
Dec 30, 2004

SCIENCE



Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Any tips on dealing with "excitement peeing" ?

Now that I'm going back into the office for work, when I get home, it's a thing, apparently.

Would also like to know this. Usually Winnie does it when meeting strangers, but occasionally she'll let loose when my wife comes home from the office (I'm still WFH thankfully). We kind of figured it was a puppy bladder control thing and it would go away on its own, but...

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


Two things that might help:

1. Warn whoever is at home that you're at the door, so they can take the dog out to toilet, and hopefully with an empty bladder they won't have an excitement wee.

2. This will be a longer term project, but try to make you arriving home a much less exciting event. Same goes for guests visiting the house. You can practice on weekends by going out for five minutes, then knocking on the door or whatever a guest might do, then coming in and not acknowledging the dog at all. It might be easier if the other person has them on the lead, and then you could sit quietly somewhere, and only say hello to them once they've calmed down.

I'm working on this a lot at the moment, since we're in lockdown we don't have any visitors and so it's been much harder to socialise my puppy to get used to people, but it's a pretty important thing for a future guide dog to not throw herself all over people as soon as they walk in the door.

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?

Adjunct Professor Metis posted:

Two things that might help:

1. Warn whoever is at home that you're at the door, so they can take the dog out to toilet, and hopefully with an empty bladder they won't have an excitement wee.

2. This will be a longer term project, but try to make you arriving home a much less exciting event. Same goes for guests visiting the house. You can practice on weekends by going out for five minutes, then knocking on the door or whatever a guest might do, then coming in and not acknowledging the dog at all. It might be easier if the other person has them on the lead, and then you could sit quietly somewhere, and only say hello to them once they've calmed down.

I'm working on this a lot at the moment, since we're in lockdown we don't have any visitors and so it's been much harder to socialise my puppy to get used to people, but it's a pretty important thing for a future guide dog to not throw herself all over people as soon as they walk in the door.

Agreed. I remember one of the best things we ever did was to avoid our dog as a puppy when we entered the house. It curbed his jumping and excitement because we weren't rewarding his negative behavior. When you arrive excited to see the dog, they're exited to see you and it can be too much for some dogs and they'll never grow out of it, especially if they get the affection they want from you while they're behaving in a less desirable manner. They need to learn to self soothe and calm down. Just walk in and don't pay attention to them until they relax. Once they've relaxed or walked away, give them a subtle reward but don't overstimulate them. Another option might be to try and have guests/family members give them a command on entry so that the dog goes straight from "IM EXCITED TO SEE YOU" to "OH, I HAVE A TASK THAT I HAVE TO DO".

Another option altogether could be training your dog to place (lay in a specific spot) when the doorbell rings or if someone knocks on the door. Over time if they hear the doorbell, they'll associate it with going to a specific spot or laying down and waiting for your release command. This can also help prevent your dog from jumping on guests or taking off through an open door.

Dango Bango
Jul 26, 2007

Verman posted:

Another option altogether could be training your dog to place (lay in a specific spot) when the doorbell rings or if someone knocks on the door. Over time if they hear the doorbell, they'll associate it with going to a specific spot or laying down and waiting for your release command. This can also help prevent your dog from jumping on guests or taking off through an open door.

Seconding this for being very helpful. Look up Karen's Relaxation Protocol. My dog is a clinger and it's even helped with that since he'll go to his blanket versus being underfoot all the time.

Tauschemo
Jul 11, 2011

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Any tips on dealing with "excitement peeing" ?

Now that I'm going back into the office for work, when I get home, it's a thing, apparently.

Taking them out first or having an action associated with someone coming is over are good suggestions and have helped me as well.

The most effective thing I found was to just keep my back to my dog and keep energy low whenever I'd come home until she'd calm down and I'd greet her.
It cut down on the excitement peeing significantly and if you're having guests over, you can ask them to do the same.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.
Does anyone have a good exercise protocol that they used for separation anxiety? Sherlock is struggling in a major way since our move.

Thanks!

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



luscious posted:

Does anyone have a good exercise protocol that they used for separation anxiety? Sherlock is struggling in a major way since our move.

Thanks!

Don't Leave Me by Nicole Wilde and I'll Be Home Soon by Patricia McConnell are both supposed to be good guides to separation anxiety. Good luck! I imagine a lot of dogs are struggling with SA this year.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

Instant Jellyfish posted:

Don't Leave Me by Nicole Wilde and I'll Be Home Soon by Patricia McConnell are both supposed to be good guides to separation anxiety. Good luck! I imagine a lot of dogs are struggling with SA this year.

Thanks! With Sherlock it’s weird bc it’s not even all the time. We are trying to do short training sessions with him under his threshold, which we identified as my partner in the hall and me touching the doorknob or partially out the door with Sherlock behind the baby gate, but omg today he totally ignored us for the training session. He seemed very confused about us giving him treats and then opening and closing the door. No stress whatsoever.

hatty
Feb 28, 2011

Pork Pro
Does anyone have any tips taking care of a dog after ACL surgery? Like how do I keep her from being a crazy jackass and tearing it again without nailing her to the floor.

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

hatty posted:

Does anyone have any tips taking care of a dog after ACL surgery? Like how do I keep her from being a crazy jackass and tearing it again without nailing her to the floor.

We just did this! In our experience, our pup sort of chilled on her own accord-- letting her listen to her body and do what she felt comfortable with didn't lead us astray. We didn't go on walks for a while, of course, and because she's leash reactive we very much could not have her see any other pups, but we didn't have any issues keeping her from getting spontaneously zoomy.

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Normally I let my dogs sleep in my bed and I generally love it, but sometimes one or the other will press up against my back in uncomfortable ways. Or worse, the hound does this thing where she'll put her belly towards you and stiff arm you with her paws. So she's effectively "standing" on my back while laying down (she does this all the time, cuddling on the couch or whatever).

Lately they've both hosed off to the couch at night, so it's actually been really nice to have the whole bed to myself again. But last night the hound decided not only to join me, but do so nicely by laying down on her side so we could just sleep back-to-back nicely (instead of uncomfortably curled up dog-to-back, or her lovely paw thing) AND she even stayed like that when I woke up this morning, again instead of rolling over and stiff-arming me like she always does. It was very nice.

That's it. I love my dogs. Have a nice day, thread.

GoodBee
Apr 8, 2004


My hound dog rarely wants to sleep with me and prefers the couch. If she does come to bed, I'm not allowed to move or she'll make the most offended grumble and gently caress off. Unless it's raining, then she wants to snuggle.

Joburg
May 19, 2013


Fun Shoe
My dog has an ACL injury. Right now we are trying anti inflammatory meds and rest. If he’s still having trouble next week he’ll have to get X-rays and go from there. My vet already talked a bit about TPLO surgery.

With that surgery, my main concern is the healing process... Barley is pretty high energy, he’s half Border Collie and half Lab, so I’m really apprehensive about the length of time he will have to be on reduced exercise. Has anyone had experience with this surgery in a big active dog? (Here he is being lazy, of course.)

tranten
Jan 14, 2003

^pube

Back cat seems stoked at dog’s misfortune.


A good cat.

luscious
Mar 8, 2005

Who can find a virtuous woman,
For her price is far above rubies.

Instant Jellyfish posted:

Don't Leave Me by Nicole Wilde and I'll Be Home Soon by Patricia McConnell are both supposed to be good guides to separation anxiety. Good luck! I imagine a lot of dogs are struggling with SA this year.

Don't Leave Me has been illuminating. Sherlock's anxiety seems to be related specifically to me leaving than my partner. We are working on this and are going to go through a plan this weekend based on the book's recommendations. He doesn't have an issue once he's alone. It's just the hump of me leaving. For now, I leave while the two of them are on a walk, and my partner leaves without an issue.

I'm starting I'll Be Back Soon tonight.

We are taking Sherlock in for a physical on Friday due to his overall personality change.

luscious fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Oct 29, 2020

GoodBee
Apr 8, 2004


My little dog is still wearing her Halloween costume because she screams and pees whenever I try to take it off of her.

Fart Car '97
Jul 23, 2003

I'm struggling with my six month old mutt pup and excitement biting. We adopted him 8 weeks ago and have been using the 'disengage' method every time he bites and we saw pretty significant strides for a few weeks, but then we hit a wall. He's really smart and he's figured out that if we disengage he can just grab a shoe or a kitchen rag or a blanket or really anything he knows he shouldn't have, and that will force us to re-engage with him which is what he wants. Fake "ouches" just get him more riled up. He isn't 'generally nippy' anymore but when he gets excited he will start biting, especially if you're wearing something with long sleeves, or he'll bite at the back of our ankles/calves if he's excited while walking -- though this generally only happens within the apartment hallways.

The other way he bites is to let me know he needs to go do his business, where he will bite my hand and whimper. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to not acknowledge that, and while I don't have a problem with the signal on its own, he's biting too hard.

Suggested alternative methods? We had considered putting him in his crate for a few minutes whenever he excite-bites, but we want to keep his crate a positive place.

Fart Car '97 fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Nov 9, 2020

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
I'm inclined to say that what you need is a safe area where you can secure him and then deprive him of attention. This is a punishment, but a relatively minor one -- just make sure you don't leave him there for a long time! Five minutes is plenty, you just need him to get the association of "I did a thing -> I was punished". My parents put an eyehook (basically just a circle of metal on the end of a screw shaft) into a wall, and then connected a steel cord to the eyehook and to the dog's collar when she needed to be put on time-out. You might just be able to loop his leash around some secure bit of furniture, though that depends on if he's the type to chew through his leash. If you have a yard, you could also just send him out back, assuming he won't view that as a reward.

For the other issue of him needing to go potty: he knows how to provoke reactions by biting, so he does that whenever he needs you for anything. What he needs is a more acceptable way to get your attention. Can you hang a bell by the door, and then train him that if he rings the bell, you'll take him outside to go potty? It sounds like he'll try to abuse that power, but enough repetition should get him to pick up on that this is just for going potty, not just because he wants to go outside and play.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



Fart Car '97 posted:

I'm struggling with my six month old mutt pup and excitement biting. We adopted him 8 weeks ago and have been using the 'disengage' method every time he bites and we saw pretty significant strides for a few weeks, but then we hit a wall. He's really smart and he's figured out that if we disengage he can just grab a shoe or a kitchen rag or a blanket or really anything he knows he shouldn't have, and that will force us to re-engage with him which is what he wants. Fake "ouches" just get him more riled up. He isn't 'generally nippy' anymore but when he gets excited he will start biting, especially if you're wearing something with long sleeves, or he'll bite at the back of our ankles/calves if he's excited while walking -- though this generally only happens within the apartment hallways.

The other way he bites is to let me know he needs to go do his business, where he will bite my hand and whimper. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to not acknowledge that, and while I don't have a problem with the signal on its own, he's biting too hard.

Suggested alternative methods? We had considered putting him in his crate for a few minutes whenever he excite-bites, but we want to keep his crate a positive place.

Shove a toy in his mouth whenever he's excited or any other situation where you know he's going to get bitey. Smart, bitey dogs are going to be bitey, give them an appropriate thing to carry around. Bonus, they turn into those dogs that grab a toy to come greet you with and it is adorable :3: If you need to store some toys in your car or by the door for a while it's still a lot easier than having your hands or clothes chomped.

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Got a puppy with a diarrhea issue. Goldendoodle 6 months old. Let me go through the steps/things we have noticed:

- Puppy was put on Purina Pro Plan Puppy Chicken and Rice dry food (vet rec). Finished a couple of bags and was fine
- Got a new bag
- Bad diarrhea. Chalked it up to her eating something she shouldn't have because she does that, she is a puppy
- More diarrhea
-Think maybe it is the food or we got a bad bag or whatever since she just started a new bag. Get a different bag of Purina Pro Plan Puppy food that is a different kind for gastro issues.
- Diarrhea goes away for a couple of days after switching to new food. We found the issue!

- More diarrhea! So it can't be the food after all.
- Started watching her closely. Witness her eat something off the ground, didn't see clearly but think it might have been a berry that our backyard tree has started dropping around the time the issue started. We are in a new house. Research and find out the tree in our backyard is chinaberry and toxic to dogs. Pick up all berries (and continue to do so)
- Scheduled tree for removal (happening tomorrow). In the meantime we go out with her and watch closely and have made sure no berries are consumed.
- No diarrhea for a couple of days. Decide it was the berries and continue to keep close eye on her to make sure she doesn't get anymore.

-More Diarrhea! So it can't be the berries since we know she hasn't had any. Also researched berries a little more and determined if she had been eating them she would either be dead or severely sick and shows no symptoms other than mud butt so it probably wasn't the berries.
- Call vet and take in stool sample. Vet gives us prescription purina pro vet diet for gastro issues and probiotic powder to sprinkle on the food, wet food this time.
- Stool sample comes back negative for anything bad. In the meantime there has been no diarrhea for 4 days. Vet says who knows but it is over you can go back to regular food.
- Go back to original dry food because she had eaten two bags of the same food before the problem ever arose and we switched once from the third bag in case of a bad bag and she continued to have diarrhea so that original bag was not the culprit.
- Very next day after going back to original food she has diarrhea again

Hope that isn't too confusing. So I am back to thinking it must be the food since the diarrhea came back about 14 hours after switching back to that original food, but at the same time that doesn't make sense because she ate that food for months and was fine and also still had diarrhea when we switched to a new bag that was a different formulation. She gets no human food at all and I work from home so she is very rarely left alone to get into any mischief.

I've gone out and gotten a different brand and type of food and also put in a call to the vet but am waiting to hear back. Any ideas? The confusing thing is that at each step where we made a change it went away for a few days but then came back after 2-4 days of normal shits.

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?

D-Pad posted:

Got a puppy with a diarrhea issue. Goldendoodle 6 months old. Let me go through the steps/things we have noticed:

- Puppy was put on Purina Pro Plan Puppy Chicken and Rice dry food (vet rec). Finished a couple of bags and was fine
- Got a new bag
- Bad diarrhea. Chalked it up to her eating something she shouldn't have because she does that, she is a puppy
- More diarrhea
-Think maybe it is the food or we got a bad bag or whatever since she just started a new bag. Get a different bag of Purina Pro Plan Puppy food that is a different kind for gastro issues.
- Diarrhea goes away for a couple of days after switching to new food. We found the issue!

- More diarrhea! So it can't be the food after all.
- Started watching her closely. Witness her eat something off the ground, didn't see clearly but think it might have been a berry that our backyard tree has started dropping around the time the issue started. We are in a new house. Research and find out the tree in our backyard is chinaberry and toxic to dogs. Pick up all berries (and continue to do so)
- Scheduled tree for removal (happening tomorrow). In the meantime we go out with her and watch closely and have made sure no berries are consumed.
- No diarrhea for a couple of days. Decide it was the berries and continue to keep close eye on her to make sure she doesn't get anymore.

-More Diarrhea! So it can't be the berries since we know she hasn't had any. Also researched berries a little more and determined if she had been eating them she would either be dead or severely sick and shows no symptoms other than mud butt so it probably wasn't the berries.
- Call vet and take in stool sample. Vet gives us prescription purina pro vet diet for gastro issues and probiotic powder to sprinkle on the food, wet food this time.
- Stool sample comes back negative for anything bad. In the meantime there has been no diarrhea for 4 days. Vet says who knows but it is over you can go back to regular food.
- Go back to original dry food because she had eaten two bags of the same food before the problem ever arose and we switched once from the third bag in case of a bad bag and she continued to have diarrhea so that original bag was not the culprit.
- Very next day after going back to original food she has diarrhea again

Hope that isn't too confusing. So I am back to thinking it must be the food since the diarrhea came back about 14 hours after switching back to that original food, but at the same time that doesn't make sense because she ate that food for months and was fine and also still had diarrhea when we switched to a new bag that was a different formulation. She gets no human food at all and I work from home so she is very rarely left alone to get into any mischief.

I've gone out and gotten a different brand and type of food and also put in a call to the vet but am waiting to hear back. Any ideas? The confusing thing is that at each step where we made a change it went away for a few days but then came back after 2-4 days of normal shits.

Usually if your dog gets into something, the diarrhea issues usually resolve themselves in a day or two on their own. Berries that are poisonous might take some time to work out all the lingering effects and remove it from their system.

Giardia is a possibility, tests often come back with false negatives and is incredibly difficult to get rid of. If your dog is eating things outside, or has been anywhere another dog might have pooped, its definitely a possibility.

Food can be another factor. Some dogs just dont respond well to certain foods/proteins/ingredients. My dog as a puppy never had solid poops on Purina Pro plan. Never. We tried multiple varieties of their food, slowly introduced him over time, and it just never worked.

Plus, puppy. Our puppy just seemed like his gastro/digestive system was really weak as a puppy and he was incredibly sensitive to everything. Once he matured, things leveled out and got much more regular after the puppy years.

Once we tried a few different foods and found one with a different mix of ingredients (bison/sweet potato), his poops vastly improved and on a regular basis. Some dogs also might just have a weaker digestive system. My dog seems to be fairly sensitive to things he eats. My friends dogs can eat trash and have a text book definition of a perfect poop with no gas or side effects.

Dogs are weird. Check with your vet and closely monitor that its not bloody.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



If it were my dog I'd give it a course of safeguard/panacur just in case it is giardia and that just wasn't picked up in the fecal (pro tip: the safeguard goat liquid at tractor supply is the same stuff as the panacur powder the vet will sell you. my dogs are all wildlife vacuums so I just buy it by the liter now). I'd also do some probiotics, I've had good luck with proviable and fortiflora.

Dogs can develop sensitivities over time so you might want to see what ingredients both foods you tried have in common and try a small bag of something without that if the meds don't help.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


I had one of my dogs get a week of bad BM from a car ride. Stressed him out I guess.

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?

Instant Jellyfish posted:

If it were my dog I'd give it a course of safeguard/panacur just in case it is giardia and that just wasn't picked up in the fecal (pro tip: the safeguard goat liquid at tractor supply is the same stuff as the panacur powder the vet will sell you. my dogs are all wildlife vacuums so I just buy it by the liter now). I'd also do some probiotics, I've had good luck with proviable and fortiflora.

Dogs can develop sensitivities over time so you might want to see what ingredients both foods you tried have in common and try a small bag of something without that if the meds don't help.

Same. I have several doses of panacur at the house because my dog got giardia a lot as a puppy from the frequent dog park trips. I would always follow the panacur with probiotics to encourage a healthy gut. Thankfully he hasn't had it in years.

The other thing I would say is look at your treats. Its easy to think the food is having a big part of your dogs GI issues but during this phase of a dog, you're likely also using a lot of treats. Lots of people use cheese as a high value treat but a lot of dogs are actually lactose intolerant so it might be doing your dog a bit of disservice. Same with hot dogs. A lot of hot dogs have varied ingredients which might wreak havoc on some dogs. We tend to do a lot of just plain chicken. I'll usually cook up a few breasts in the oven and then dice it up and put it in the freezer, removing portions as needed for the week. We also use low moitsure string cheese or cheddar sticks which don't seem to affect him.

The biggest issue I ever had was with Checkups, a white soft "bone" shaped chew thats meant to clean your dogs teeth. We purchased them at costco and my dog had a severe allergic reaction to them. Our vet recommended we give him peroxide to encourage vomiting the undigested portion of the treat inside him and then Benadryl for several days to fight the reaction until he could shed it from his system. These hives were massive and came very quickly after he consumed just one of the treats. He was shaking very hard and just miserable, he couldn't stop scratching. Even seeing the photo again after several years makes me cringe.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass



gently caress

BAGS FLY AT NOON
Apr 6, 2011

A Soft Nylon Bag

Warbird posted:



gently caress

Did you think 2020 was gonna let you get away without a visit from Fuckface?

Joburg
May 19, 2013


Fun Shoe

Warbird posted:



gently caress

This belongs in the schadenfreude thread, I think.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

D-Pad posted:

Got a puppy with a diarrhea issue. Goldendoodle 6 months old. Let me go through the steps/things we have noticed:


We had a fair amount of similar issues and added canned pumpkin to her food, which helped a fair bit.
We switched from Natural Balance to Acana and it went away completely.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



So you think you want a heeler.
https://youtu.be/sTfh-E2xMHU

This is after she spent 2 hours hiking and swimming yesterday, had 30 minutes of off leash running amok with my other dog and an hour long puppy class over zoom today.

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdOcrUtE-UQ&t=7s

footage of my puppy learning how to open the back door

Dango Bango
Jul 26, 2007

Any tips for giving ear drops? Just got prescribed some for an ear infection and my guy hates me even going for his ears.

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


Dango Bango posted:

Any tips for giving ear drops? Just got prescribed some for an ear infection and my guy hates me even going for his ears.

I had this issue a few weeks ago if you want to look at my post history for what people suggested for me. I found the best way was to wait until my puppy was fast asleep and then do both ears really fast. Might be more difficult if you've got an adult dog, since puppies sleep like rocks.

Poldarn
Feb 18, 2011

Dango Bango posted:

Any tips for giving ear drops? Just got prescribed some for an ear infection and my guy hates me even going for his ears.

I had to put my guy in a headlock while my wife gave him drops and non-stop praise, then we gave him a treat when it was all over. The vet said to hold him for like 15 seconds before he was allowed to shake his head, so it felt kinda mean even if it was for his own good.

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013

All Princesses are Tyrants

Any tips for house training a dog who's pathologically opposed to peeing outside?

I just adopted a 10-month-old mutt who completely refuses to poop or pee outside. This morning I took him straight from crate to the sidewalk and walked, played, and sat with him for an hour and a half before a sudden snowstorm drove us inside. He was sniffing, scratching the ground, and generally looked like he was just about to go the entire time. The moment I got him back inside he ran to carpet and did #1 and #2 right on the spot.

So normally I'd just wait with him outside until he pees, and shower him with praise + treats the moment he did, but he held it in over night and the entire time we were on a walk. I have no idea how to reinforce a positive habit if he literally never does it.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

Seems like he’s targeting that one spot. I’d say clean it a few times with an enzyme cleaner and see if that discourages him. If that doesn’t take maybe move the carpet piece outside to encourage an association with doing business out of doors. I’m just spitballing though.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



Riatsala posted:

Any tips for house training a dog who's pathologically opposed to peeing outside?

I just adopted a 10-month-old mutt who completely refuses to poop or pee outside. This morning I took him straight from crate to the sidewalk and walked, played, and sat with him for an hour and a half before a sudden snowstorm drove us inside. He was sniffing, scratching the ground, and generally looked like he was just about to go the entire time. The moment I got him back inside he ran to carpet and did #1 and #2 right on the spot.

So normally I'd just wait with him outside until he pees, and shower him with praise + treats the moment he did, but he held it in over night and the entire time we were on a walk. I have no idea how to reinforce a positive habit if he literally never does it.

Ok, I'd try to do some troubleshooting to see if there's some factor that is stopping him from pottying outside. Does he mess his crate or can he hold it there? Have you tried putting him on a long line so he can get further away from you in case he's been punished for going potty around people in the past? Turning your back and seeing if that helps? Hide behind a tree or bush? Sometimes they're shy or have been punished for pottying inside and now associate pee+human=OH NO. Is he safe to take to an off-leash park just to see if he'll go there? Any places with primo pee-mail to sniff that might tempt him to mark?

If that doesn't do the trick then move to taking him out, giving him 10 minutes of just walking back and forth where you want him to go, and if he doesn't go he goes straight back to his crate. If he does potty then throw a party and take him for a walk so he doesn't associate going potty with being taken straight back inside. If he's emptied himself he can have supervised time out of his crate, if he hasn't he goes to his crate for 30 minutes to an hour and try again. Repeat until he goes outside. Don't let him off leash inside if he hasn't gone potty outside, just whisk him straight to his crate so he can't practice going on the carpet.

If he really, really won't go outside and you're getting worried about him holding it for too long you can try to get a carpet square and see if he'll go on that outside. Party for going on the outside carpet and make the square smaller and smaller every day until he is going outside without the carpet.

Riatsala
Nov 20, 2013

All Princesses are Tyrants

He will hold it in his crate, he held all night without a problem and has spent a couple of hours at a time in there without issue. As to whether he's nervous to pee in front of us, it's possible although a few of the times he's peed inside it's been right in front of us. It's never the same spot so I think it's not an issue of having marked his designated pee zone; I douse the disaster zones with enzyme cleaner anyway.

He is generally nervous outside. He was terrified to go out the first time, and while he's much more confident now he still displays some displacement behavior. The green way outside of our apartment is frequented by all manner of dog, so there's tons of prime places to exchange urinary information, but no go. I also let him run freely in the dog run a couple blocks away. He enjoyed the freedom, but there was zero bathroom going. The general order of operations has been spending time in the crate -> straight outside for a walk (no peeing) -> come back inside -> pee within two minutes.

I think tomorrow I will try alternating between crate and outside until he pees, going to the same spot every time. I might also bring a soiled towel and lay it on the ground in that spot, see if that helps him connect the dots. I also have a very long lead, so I'll try to give him some privacy. Thank you both for your advice, I'll report back if he makes a breakthrough.

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Winter Rose
Sep 27, 2007

Understand how unstable the truth can be.

Hazo posted:

Would also like to know this. Usually Winnie does it when meeting strangers, but occasionally she'll let loose when my wife comes home from the office (I'm still WFH thankfully). We kind of figured it was a puppy bladder control thing and it would go away on its own, but...

My girl still has occasional excitement pees as a 3 year old. We've followed the advice given in this thread and it's no longer a problem when we get home or guests visit etc. But if it's a situation we can't control she lets loose, like when seeing one of her dog friends after a long absence. Or when she feels particularly vulnerable, like if she's thrown up or something or got a sticker in her paw and we try to comfort her or fix the issue. Usually happens outside but not always..!

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