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indigi posted:how is this not a determination of what is "good" or "bad" (serious question) Amassing a force that can defeat some kind of enemy is an amoral goal. Think of it like military: a military's mission is to destroy the enemy by any means necessary, but that doesn't mean they can just call destruction or killing a good. Instead, a military needs to explain what it needs to do to succeed in terms that appeal to the moral feelings of its fighters and supporters. It must also abide by a set of practical limitations that might not always be pragmatic but that people morally demand, like affording some basic rights to captured enemies and so on. Anyway, marxists too are of course normal people and part of the masses so they have dearly held opinions on what is good and bad. But their moral preconceptions are just as fallible as everyone else's, and need to be validated by concrete mass support.
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T-man posted:no he's giving you advice on the meaning of fatherhood via misremembered Kant quotes but enough about the only kind of Kant quotes there are
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T-man posted:why are most MLs so much like liberals? can someone give me a six paragraph answer? tia 
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hello. is anyone interested in a massive report of the influence of bob avakian in the U.S. election compiled by some gonzaloites (i.e. nobodies) who spent the time planning, researching and writing this thing instead of watching looney tunes? because here you go. you're welcome. https://ci-ic.org/blog/2020/10/28/the-us-elections-and-the-role-of-avakian/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jTHNBKjMBU
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:hello. is anyone interested in a massive report of the influence of bob avakian in the U.S. election compiled by some gonzaloites (i.e. nobodies) who spent the time planning, researching and writing this thing instead of watching looney tunes? no post more sexy lenins
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Mr. Lobe posted:many words idk what to tell you but to me, at least, its pretty obvious that free speech doesn't exist; it's still illegal to be a communist in most of the US. i grew up during the rise of all this free speech zone bullshit. at least to me, its clear that 'free speech' is merely another tool the ruling class uses to suppress and separate workers. so it felt like someone asking 'how yall marxists feel about slavery lol? heard of gulags much??' kind of question
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Peel posted:the funny thing about the american strand of chauvanist 'culturally' conservative online leftism that the situation is the opposite on the other side of the atlantic. in america left edgelords posture about the sins of 'idpol', but in britain miserablist labour rightists declare that the real working class don't have any truck with 'student politics' and 'frothy coffee', and that their own local party members objecting to their transphobia are 'communists' the transphobia is projection and sublimated fear of emasculation. notice the reaction is also specifically directed at transwomen -- not as much the other way around. since i've been raised in a patriarchal society from birth, i still notice my automatic reactions to walking into a big-box retail store and seeing a woman in her 30s or 40s working there. actually, i don't react at all to that because that's normal for women to work these low-wage jobs. it's "women's work" and subsequently devalued. but i see a man in his 30s and 40s and there's an automatic, "woah, poor guy must have got laid off." i've just been brainwashed. and it's funny... bourgeois ideology is always there, lurking inside your mind. if you're a man, you're "supposed" to be a businessman or entrepreneur. working a cashier job like that means you're a "failure." so it's no wonder these men are feeling emasculated and turn to this kind of doomed reactionary, patriarchal "socialism," or alt-right poo poo, or become the american equivalent of hikikomori or adopt incel ideology. if you're lucky you get a computer job, but tim cook of apple is gay and that doesn't matter. all those old, patriarchal, family-operated businesses run on nepotism and inertia and handed down to failsons are going the way of the dinosaurs BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Nov 14, 2020 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:don't know about the U.K., but in the U.S. i think this is a kind of "petty-bourgeois socialism" that has caught on with downwardly-mobile middle-class men who are being dumped into the retail and cashier economy. i think i read an old getfiscal post on the rhizzone about this which talked about "dumpies." there are huge numbers of men who have just been dumped like that since the financial crisis with no brakes or buffers or support, and their politics tends to be limited to narrow measures to restore their former class status, or prop it up as it continues decaying. it's the other side of the alt-right coin. i think i basically got saved from this because i worked for the railroad for most of my 20s and my politics really calcified around unionism and collective power. my instincts and internal reactions are 100% lovely bourgeois patriarchy and if i hadn't had the union vehicle to expand and develop my political understanding as a leftist i'd probably be an alt right neofascist by now. i still have hosed up reactions to things i consider "weak" and i absolutely have those same kinds of reactions you mention about men in "women's jobs". a huge part of my personal project is recognizing and killing those reactionary instincts in my head. it took me years to not sigh internally about just introducing myself with pronouns even if i knew the reason we were doing it was a good one. one of the things that makes me optimistic that people with lovely social perspectives can be rehabilitated is that i've been able to remain a compassionate person instead of resentful entirely due to my political exposure. if i had worked in IT i assume i would be one of the worst people in the world lol.
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hey i work in IT and im probably only in the bottom quartile of the worst people in the world
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In hindsight idk how I got out of IT more leftist than I went in, or maybe it's more correct to say I don't understand how IT workers don't perceive a power imbalance between themselves and their bosses given the crazy hours they're made to work.
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IT support people are more likely to be left of center or at least less libertarian than developers in my anecdotal experience - which is probably warped by living in austin
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at least in grocery stores being a cashier and stocker and poo poo used to be a sweet union gig that paid well
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THS posted:IT support people are more likely to be left of center or at least less libertarian than developers in my anecdotal experience - which is probably warped by living in austin yeah being a poo poo programmer and getting shuffled off to support probably helped steer me away from being a dumbfuck libertarian
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yeah i was mostly joking about IT, never worked in it and don't know anything about it. i think one of the benefits of the class 1 railroad boss/union dynamic for me was exactly how clear and capricious the company was in how it would discipline/fire/etc. the grievance process and the way the company would manage payroll through discipline (firings for minor or contradictory safety infractions) really drew the class lines very explicitly in a way i could understand. i'd taken some modern philosophy and read some marx but didn't give much thought about it, but working in that environment tied everything together for me. i'm just assuming in a more atomized non-union environment the conflicts around the power dynamic are not quite as explicit so it may be harder to understand without explanation
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apropos to nothing posted:drat, absolutely shocked the unhinged and unrelated posts are coming from person who recommends everyone to read settlers, could not have foreseen this coming at all Won’t someone think of the white people  Shoo traitorous trot
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A4R8 posted:Won’t someone think of the white people Hey it would be cool if you weren't making GBS threads up this thread, IMO
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more like $ettŁer$
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Mr. Lobe posted:Hey it would be cool if you weren't making GBS threads up this thread, IMO I’ll leave only if you admit Trotsky was a traitorous cuck accepting book deals from Jim Crow America. Deal?
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A4R8 posted:I’ll leave only if you admit Trotsky was a traitorous cuck accepting book deals from Jim Crow America. Deal? Sure great go away
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i think growing up poor did good things for me because when i see older people working complete poo poo service jobs i just think drat, and i bet I make more than them too, gently caress these scumbag business owners
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A4R8 posted:I’ll leave only if you admit Trotsky was a traitorous cuck accepting book deals from Jim Crow America. Deal? are you okay
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THS posted:are you okay Aside from living in america, pretty good 
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GunnerJ posted:more like $ettŁer$ e's aren't euros
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Peanut President posted:e's aren't euros 
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Larry Parrish posted:theres like 20 trots on the entire internet and i dont think any of them actually likes the man trotsky cant say if i like him or not as ive never met the man, but his writings are pretty good
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Peanut President posted:e's aren't euros owned
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i actually have mad love for the read settlers brand of maoists though. there was a read settlers red guards group that hosted a "maoism vs trotskyism" meeting years ago locally because they were pissed at how better organized and more members we had compared to them and they and they hated us for it but accidently recruited people from that meeting to us because they went and after listening to them poo poo on us were like wow those people actually sound good
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