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Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
Yeah it's hard to blame Sorey for a lot of things until close to the end of the game because Lailah is calling every one of the shots. By the time he decides to seal himself away he's been trained to shut Rose and Alisha out of it without Lailah's intervention.

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ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
I mean if you're considering non-main series, Emil actively made me stop playing two chapters in.

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

You missed out then, Emil is a good kid and has a way better story than the game deserves

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
Yeah Emil is fine and there's pretty good story justification for why he is how he is to start the game. It's kind of a Luke situation where it takes a long time for his arc to unfold and him to really grow into his own as a character. Symphonia 2 has a lot of problems but Emil isn't one of them.

Also JYB's "dark" Emil voice is funny as gently caress and burned into my brain forever.

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
Eh, the problem is that if the game isn't compelling enough for me to get to the point that Emil turns around, then there's not much to get me invested in his growth arc.

If Emil was dropped into a game like Graces or Berseria where at least there's a decent combat system or supporting cast, then maybe I could have toughed it out, but as is, it's like saying 'the game's really good guys! You just have to wade through 2/3rds of it!'.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

nobody said the game was good, just that emils fine

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



Courage is the etc etc

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Me when the protagonist sucks and I'm supposed to play 56 hours to find out why

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

RareAcumen posted:

Me when the protagonist sucks and I'm supposed to play 56 hours to find out why


It makes sense that one punch man fans would be terrified of something actually developing.

Anyway,

https://twitter.com/BANPRE_PZ/status/1328168412078551041/photo/1

Who are the two on either side of Luke? The guy on the right almost looks like the ninja guy from Tempest

Chaotic Flame
Jun 1, 2009

So...


I think it might be Reid? Something seems off though

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
It's almost definitely Reid, he has the same hair and skin color so if it's not him it's some kind of deep cut from Mobile and they don't usually put those on events like these.

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

I mean, the people in front of him are Leon and Reid, but I think they're referring to the other two people in the middle row.

I think one of them is from one of the Japanese only R remakes?

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
I think Endorph was asking about the people in the same row as Luke

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


One on the right looks like Tilkis from Tempest

which is quite the deep cut

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE

Pureauthor posted:

I think Endorph was asking about the people in the same row as Luke

Oh I was thinking the ones right next to Luke.

The right one is definitely Tilkis. Pretty sure the left one is Richard.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Endorph posted:

It makes sense that one punch man fans would be terrified of something actually developing.

Hey, thanks for not kicking my rear end when you became an IK two weeks ago.

Ershalim
Sep 22, 2008
Clever Betty
I'm pretty sure the guy to the left of Luke with that hairstyle is Walter, from Tales of Legendia. I dunno why he and Tilkis are there, but I guess it's cool they're getting some love on official work. :v:

e: in the link to the merch it confirms that. Walter and Tilkis on little pin... things. I know Walter is weirdly popular in a lot of the fan polls relative to how much he actually does in the game he's from, but I don't think I've seen anything about Tilkis ever, so I'm curious why he's being featured.

Ershalim fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Nov 16, 2020

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



Caphi posted:

No, that's correct.

Then why is it so stupid?!

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Ershalim posted:

e: in the link to the merch it confirms that. Walter and Tilkis on little pin... things. I know Walter is weirdly popular in a lot of the fan polls relative to how much he actually does in the game he's from, but I don't think I've seen anything about Tilkis ever, so I'm curious why he's being featured.
They wanted a tempest character and Tilkis would look the best in that sort of outfit? Though that raises the question of why they wanted a Tempest character. There's no Rebirth or Graces character.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Slayers characters fit well in Tales of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDsAh-pruWI

BearDrivingTruck
Oct 15, 2011

You see the most shocking sights sometimes
Could someone remind me which title I need on Flynn to have him change costumes properly when the plot calls for it?

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
https://www.rpgfan.com/2020/12/16/tales-of-arise-in-final-stages-of-development/

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
I’m totally up for a new Tales game, even if it ends up being one of the relatively worse ones.

redstormpopcorn
Jun 10, 2007
Aurora Master
Crestoria is still pretty decent even if a turn-based gacha game is multiple layers of Tales heresy. I have acquired the Captain role of a (the?) goon guild by virtue of being one of two members who have logged in since October. If anyone wants in, search for 875-767-111 and I'll make sure there's room for you.

BrightWing
Apr 27, 2012

Yes, he is quite mad.
I really dig Crestoria's setting but the game itself I could do without

Phantasium
Dec 27, 2012

BrightWing posted:

I really dig Crestoria's setting but the game itself I could do without

it has proven to me without a shadow of a doubt that i will never care about a gacha

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole
Yeah, it feels like they put all their effort into giving the game an interesting premise, and then made the gameplay a complete afterthought. I really don't see the logic in going through the effort of updating all the character models, when all they end up doing is stand there most of the time.

Their mobile strategy seems really weird in general Aren't there like three cocurrent Tales gachas going on right now?

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
Crestoria feels pretty bad even among gachas. It's got tons of stuff to grind for and you don't get any decent xp from the story, so you can't even just set it so you only have to pay attention to the cast (which is a shame because the English script in particular is sparkling).

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



According to my brother that still plays Crestoria there has still not even been any changes to the optimization or to the parts of the gameplay that needed attention (one of the debuffs straight up didn't work at launch and still doesn't so i think it's your main bad guy character Viscious that is bad to use because of it?)


I would totally play this game if it were an actual full released game though. But i guess a gatcha is easier/cheaper to make than even something like the old escort series games used to be like.

MechaX
Nov 19, 2011

"Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"
I'd like for Namco to just translate and release Destiny Remake, Destiny 2, and Rebirth, even digitally at this point because we've gotten everything except those games and maybe Tempest in some form or fashion at this point.

Plus, I have been morbidly curious about playing Rebirth for probably the last decade

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

crestorias plot and writing seem good and its a shame its in crestoria,a nd i say this as someone who has multiple gacha games i actually do like

also honestly, no need to be 'morbidly curious' about rebirth, its just legitimately a good game. the character writing can be a bit hoaky and its understanding of racism is pretty facile but it does a great job actually managing the plot and characters and giving everyone a decent amount of focus and stuff to do, and combat's decent.

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
Yeah that's pretty much Rebirth. It's unfortunate that every time anyone tries to really say anything about racism it comes out laughable at best, especially when they start going really hard on it towards the end, but every other part of the game is legitimately good. The character interactions are fantastic, the part of the game where you're going from town to town works on an episodic adventure level, and the combat is super interesting.

I think Annie sums up all the strong and weak parts of the game best at once. Her conflicted relationship with Eugene is really well-handled, especially since Eugene himself is such a well-realized character, right up until the exact second she goes "and that's why I hate all gajma!"

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

honestly i think the racism stuff would be fine if they just kept it to lowkey misunderstanding/distrust but its very 'thank you for solving racism forever, bamco'. tbf its hardly the only tales game with that problem

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
Lloyd's grand quest to end racism forever has his best friend culminate their character arc with a speech that can be summed up as "gently caress humans, but Lloyd is one of the good ones."

Caphi
Jan 6, 2012

INCREDIBLE
Yeah Rebirth's racism is still infinitely better than Symphonia where the oppressed race also has a secret cabal that controls the world which is how all the racism against them gets justified.

It's still got a strain of "how easily fighting for equality can become fighting for supremacy," but... ehhhh.

Caphi fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Dec 22, 2020

MechaX
Nov 19, 2011

"Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"
I've heard a lot of people in the past particularly rag on Rebirth for stuff like Racism Dragon using his "racist energy wave" across the planet and "Tales of Racism" But what really got me wanting to play it was watching probably the first 30 minutes to an hour 10+ years back and seeing that Veigue, Eugene, and Mao were... actually pretty interesting characters even with dodgy subtitles, the gameplay looked fun, and everything else was fine.

And also jumping head without context, the Four Stars looks like a fun as hell antagonist group

BrightWing
Apr 27, 2012

Yes, he is quite mad.
We'll get Zero/Azure Kiseki in English before we get Destiny Remake or Rebirth.

Which is a shame because Destiny Remake and Rebirth both look fun as gently caress

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

the racism dragon is stupid but its not like rebirth is the first jrpg to have a dumb final boss

edit: Also yeah, the four stars are pretty cool. Probably the second or third best miniboss squad in the series? granted once you get past the top 3 or 4 you're left with the loving grand cardinals

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011
I never understood why there was this vast militant sort of empire of half elves in symphonia because there is like one elven town that's sort of a floating ruin, they don't like everyone else and generally speaking they acted as though they lacked both the interest and energy to gently caress.

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AweStriker
Oct 6, 2014

Endorph posted:

the racism dragon is stupid but its not like rebirth is the first jrpg to have a dumb final boss

edit: Also yeah, the four stars are pretty cool. Probably the second or third best miniboss squad in the series? granted once you get past the top 3 or 4 you're left with the loving grand cardinals

What are your opinions on the top miniboss squads? I probably put the God Generals at #1 but beyond that I’m lost.

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