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I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

MonsieurChoc posted:

I liked Babylon 5.

Hell yeah, Babylon 5 rules.

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The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!
The good thing about Star Trek is that it is goofy and would never try to shy away from being goofy. What makes nu trek bad is that they want to be cool and edgy so badly so they add in violence and swearing and drugs and stuff like that but all it does is make them look like they aren’t comfortable with writing goofy Star Trek. Star Trek is loser optimistic poo poo for nerds. You have to accept it or don’t make Star Trek.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
This episode was really boring. The "Will read a book" episodes always are.

gfarrell80
Aug 31, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReOw_2f4lpY&t=15s

THS
Sep 15, 2017

babylon 5 owns. its completely bizarre that it even got made. such a loving weird project

gfarrell80
Aug 31, 2006

The_Rob posted:

The good thing about Star Trek is that it is goofy and would never try to shy away from being goofy. What makes nu trek bad is that they want to be cool and edgy so badly so they add in violence and swearing and drugs and stuff like that but all it does is make them look like they aren’t comfortable with writing goofy Star Trek. Star Trek is loser optimistic poo poo for nerds. You have to accept it or don’t make Star Trek.

effort post time...

I've had to make a moderate re-evaluation of Star Trek recently. Yes, it was inherently optimistic, and watching it during the formative years of your youth could turn you into an idealist who follows a moral code (much like the Star Wars original trilogy). Adam Curtis in Hypernormalization states that in the late 90's, popular imagination had completely lost hope for an optimistic future, thus all the pre-9/11 disaster movies showing our society crumbling. However, Star Trek is an obvious lone exception to this. It is undeniably optimistic.

Here's the bad part though - I grew up watching Star Trek always assuming that obviously, the Federation is the United States. I applied the Prime Directive that the Federation used to obviously also be the moral principle the United States used in our foreign policy. Pretty naive assumption I know but given all the other propaganda efforts about the US being a peaceful nation only interdicting in foreign affairs to protect oppressed peoples and defend democracy I can see how a 10-14 year old watching Star Trek would make the assumption that the US is in fact always the 'good guy'.

So, unless you educated yourself with sources other than Star Trek, you might be more susceptible to swallow the idea about US foreign interventions being always benign; or turn a blind eye to them. I've been re-watching Star Trek on netflix, and just recently got to the 'Time's Arrow' episode, which features bizarre time travel stuff as an excuse to get the crew into the 19th century United States, where Data meets Mark Twain and Jack London.

Only because of reading I've recently done in my late 30's now do I know that Mark Twain became a very potent anti-imperialist, and Jack London was a socialist. Time's Arrow however focuses more on their Americana appeal - Jack London admires Data as a kind of bootstraps inventor and tries to get in on a rags-to-riches grift, and the Twain discussion revolves around his more silly works than his hard hitting anti-imperalist and socialy critical writings.

Both Jack London and Twain could be seen by Federation people as contributors to the moral and philosophical foundation of the utopian Federation society. In the pages of Twain's 'To the Person Sitting in Darkness' is a moral imperative not far off from the Prime Directive. But the writing of the episode dwells more on the kinda homespun Americana nature of the two characters rather than their strong leftist leanings. Twain and London were moral prophets who judged their society and were ahead of their time. Some kind of slight acknowledgment of this would have been nice rather than pastiche.

All in all though, TNG is a much better thing for a preteen to watch than say, Rogue One, the new SW trilogy, or New Trek. Which are straight up horrible.

Jackie D
May 27, 2009

Democracy is like a tambourine - not everyone can be trusted with it.


PostNouveau posted:

This episode was really boring. The "Will read a book" episodes always are.

It was good, more people need to know that HW killed JFK

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

star blecch

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

I'm not full blown "all prestige tv is bad" like Matt but Star Trek Disco is grade-a Bad Prestige TV

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Don;'t they name drop Elon Musk as a genius from the past in one episode?

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Groovelord Neato posted:

Don;'t they name drop Elon Musk as a genius from the past in one episode?

Yes, but by all accounts musk actually straight up paid CBS to name drop him, which is extremely lol

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




yeah and it's by Lorca who is a huge rear end in a top hat, even by mirror universe standards lol

susan b buffering
Nov 14, 2016

I Before E posted:

Hell yeah, Babylon 5 rules.

I’m gonna be rewatching it for like the 5th time within the next year. Just a brilliant show.

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

Yes, but by all accounts musk actually straight up paid CBS to name drop him, which is extremely lol

Why are all billionaires so pathetic. Why aren't they building volcano lairs and trying to steal the moon instead of this lame poo poo

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Crane Fist posted:

Why are all billionaires so pathetic. Why aren't they building volcano lairs and trying to steal the moon instead of this lame poo poo

How many, if any, human interactions does a billionaire have that are not transactional in nature? Even among their own class, it's sharks among sharks. That has to break a person, to exist in a state of such profound alienation.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Groovelord Neato posted:

Don;'t they name drop Elon Musk as a genius from the past in one episode?

yeah, and it becomes funny when you later find out that the guy who mentions him is from the mirror universe ruled by sadistic imperialist monsters, of which he is one

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Crane Fist posted:

Why are all billionaires so pathetic. Why aren't they building volcano lairs and trying to steal the moon instead of this lame poo poo

Elon Musk is more pathetic than most. I got blocked by him pretty quickly and 1. you have like a billion followers how did you notice my tweet calling you out and 2. you have six kids and unlimited money why are you living on twitter.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Crane Fist posted:

Why are all billionaires so pathetic. Why aren't they building volcano lairs and trying to steal the moon instead of this lame poo poo

there's this dogshit show Next on Fox that's just some dumbass Black Mirror 'what if Siri was evil' lazy stuff about how what if Steve Jobs was an epic snark master, but the first episode begins with a quote by Musk in text and he's instantly namedropped as an example of another tech genius on the level of Not-Jobs. I'm positive he had to pay for that too because everyone else is fictional, they even have a fake Boston Dynamics and poo poo.

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Apr 16, 2017

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i say swears online posted:

"mister otis never called me kike"

-- a ferengi

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

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idk if that was the joke you were already making tbh

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

Groovelord Neato posted:

Elon Musk is more pathetic than most. I got blocked by him pretty quickly and 1. you have like a billion followers how did you notice my tweet calling you out and 2. you have six kids and unlimited money why are you living on twitter.

he name searches or has someone doing it for him. elon is probably paying someone $50000 a year to sift his mentions and report any negative attention.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


uber_stoat posted:

he name searches or has someone doing it for him. elon is probably paying someone $50000 a year to sift his mentions and report any negative attention.

Yeah he blocked me for pointing out he'd given equally to Democrats and Republicans despite climate change being his "thing" (it was right after it had been reported) and then someone reported my tweet where I made fun of him and I got a week timeout so him paying someone to do it makes sense. It's funnier thinking I got him that mad though.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Elon Musk: "I invented this rail system that can transport like 4 people at 100 mph'

Japanese bullet train manufacturers: "......"

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

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In the first episode of Voyager a ferengi tries to scam a young crew member by selling him jewels for inflated prices lol

well why not
Feb 10, 2009




in summary all star trek rocks and it is better than pretty much every franchise, despite there being so much of it. adjourned

https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/1328152864162799616

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

In the first episode of Voyager a ferengi tries to scam a young crew member by selling him jewels for inflated prices lol
Yes that was Quark

Dr.Radical
Apr 3, 2011

FlamingLiberal posted:

Yes that was Quark

Quark is known for his unscrupulous business dealings.

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

Crane Fist posted:

Why are all billionaires so pathetic. Why aren't they building volcano lairs and trying to steal the moon instead of this lame poo poo

Musk's entire value depends on his reputation. People aren't buying teslas because 80k for a car that bursts into flames is a good deal, they're buying teslas because epic science man makes them. You trick people into thinking you're epic science man the same way you trick people into eating mcdonalds. Get on tv and trick people into thinking they're not watching a commercial.

He was on an episode of big bang theory as well. His scene consisted of the other characters talking about how cool and smart he was, same energy as those Ben Garrison cartoons where's it's blatantly obvious the subject had them commissioned.

NienNunb
Feb 15, 2012

I eat at McDonald's because of wafting french fry aromas

The Muppets On PCP
Nov 13, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

NienNunb posted:

I'm not full blown "all prestige tv is bad" like Matt but Star Trek Disco is grade-a Bad Prestige TV

isn't it on cbs? it's not really prestige tv

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

The Muppets On PCP posted:

isn't it on cbs? it's not really prestige tv

It acts like a prestige TV version of Trek and it's miserable as a result. Picard was arguably even worse, what a disappointment

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

picard was some of the most laughably bad television I have ever seen, and I watch anime

MadJackal
Apr 30, 2004

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1328200072987893762?s=21

The president is trying his damnedest to invalidate the election he lost.

CTH has royally hosed up by minimalizing Trump’s in-progress coup attempt by arguing how he’s not ~really~ a fascist because he hasn’t pulled it off yet, ergo their Twitter opinions are totally correct.

The Brand is being contrarian, I get it, but there’s a modicum of responsibility towards acknowledging this is a well and truly hosed up political event and they aren’t meeting it.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

MadJackal posted:

Lol, it's been a while since I've heard a political prediction whiff so hard so quickly than today's "None of this Ukraine stuff matters, it'll be forgotten in a week."

Oops.

MadJackal
Apr 30, 2004

And that was the basis of an impeachment, thank you for doing a deep dive on my comments to indirectly defend your fave podcast.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
like I know he partially tweeted his way to the presidency but he still needed the structural power of the Republican machine.

i don't think enough of them are behind him to make his tweets a reality this time.

crepeface fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Nov 16, 2020

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



An impeachment that deliberately did nothing.

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD

MadJackal posted:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1328200072987893762?s=21

The president is trying his damnedest to invalidate the election he lost.

CTH has royally hosed up by minimalizing Trump’s in-progress coup attempt by arguing how he’s not ~really~ a fascist because he hasn’t pulled it off yet, ergo their Twitter opinions are totally correct.

The Brand is being contrarian, I get it, but there’s a modicum of responsibility towards acknowledging this is a well and truly hosed up political event and they aren’t meeting it.

lol

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


MadJackal posted:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1328200072987893762?s=21

The president is trying his damnedest to invalidate the election he lost.

CTH has royally hosed up by minimalizing Trump’s in-progress coup attempt by arguing how he’s not ~really~ a fascist because he hasn’t pulled it off yet, ergo their Twitter opinions are totally correct.

The Brand is being contrarian, I get it, but there’s a modicum of responsibility towards acknowledging this is a well and truly hosed up political event and they aren’t meeting it.

buddy it's been well and truly hosed up political events for going on 4 years now, if we're talking about "norms" and "decorum". what the gently caress do you think getting all riled up about this bullshit is going to do? pass some kind of magic threshold of neurosis where things start getting better? besides, fascist or not, it's pretty obvious that his whining about foul play has, at best, lukewarm support from the republican party, and virtually no support from the institutions of power, i.e. the deep state. they've gotten what they want from him, gratifying his ego further is not really in their interest, and they know it.

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Yadoppsi
May 10, 2009

gfarrell80 posted:

This is also why I hated Rogue One. They took a trilogy about maintaining your humanity and moral purity to defeat evil, and in Rogue One turned the rebels into standard Neoconservatives doing field assassinations, allying with extremists, torture is no big thing, suicide missions, shoot the bad guy in the back, use killer robots on your own team... egh.

Rogue One is the only good Disney Star Wars film. Love me some revolutionary martyrdom. Plus it was even more explicit about the Rebel Alliance= Vietcong= good guys motif Lucas was trying to fit into A New Hope.

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