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Aight, that clears that up. No need for a rewatch then. Cheers.
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DemoneeHo posted:Also can someone confirm if only Mion and not Shion was listed during that episode's credits? This weeks episode had both of them in the credits
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Nov 5, 2020 17:56
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I'm not sure why they had to make the ending of this episode as dramatic as it was, complete with playing the credits early.
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Nov 5, 2020 19:36
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you're looking at it backwards—the credits aren't early, the episode ran long
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Nov 5, 2020 21:14
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Eh if they really wanted to there was stuff they could have cut from the episode. Like I don't think we really needed the explanation of Oyashiro-sama's Curse again (They can make it clear its being explained to Keiichi without literally spending time on giving the audience purely redundant information) and I could have lived without the ice cream goober. Not really a huge deal to me though, but I do agree with Nate RFB that they do play the buildup to the shed a little too dramatically.
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Nov 5, 2020 22:40
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There's also just the fact that ostensibly, the audience should already know what's in the shed, and should also know that its contents are not actually *that* important for the events in the main story.
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Nov 5, 2020 23:44
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i hope the manga gets translated cause after seeing how it handled the end of onidamashi i'm really, really interested in comparing how it handles the pacing in general tbh
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Nate RFB posted:There's also just the fact that ostensibly, the audience should already know what's in the shed, and should also know that its contents are not actually *that* important for the events in the main story. I guess they maybe also want old timers to wonder if there's something different and weird in the shed but if it ends up being what we expect then that's kind of lame. The Colonel posted:i hope the manga gets translated cause after seeing how it handled the end of onidamashi i'm really, really interested in comparing how it handles the pacing in general tbh
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Nov 6, 2020 00:08
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yeah that too, like the way the manga presents the entire scene with rika and hanyuu is uh. ridiculously better than the show? it makes the scene actually feel like a tone setter that trends closer to what you'd expect based off the last chunk of the original story, instead of a weird aside lol
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Nov 6, 2020 00:12
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I feel like I should just wait for each chapter to complete and watch them all at once because it's still retreading a lot of old ground without adding much in the way of new stuff in each episode.
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Nov 6, 2020 07:26
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Coxswain Balls posted:I feel like I should just wait for each chapter to complete and watch them all at once because it's still retreading a lot of old ground without adding much in the way of new stuff in each episode. Yeah this is a pretty unnecessary sequel so far.
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Nov 6, 2020 07:29
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Coxswain Balls posted:I feel like I should just wait for each chapter to complete and watch them all at once because it's still retreading a lot of old ground without adding much in the way of new stuff in each episode. Hard agree. This episode playing things so close to the original made it boring as gently caress, though tbf I played the whole series this year so it would presumably be better for people who played/watched the original stuff when it actually came out. The faster it breaks out of this structure, the better. Hogama posted:Purest speculation going by the BD volume listings and what's already been shown is that the first three arcs will be twists on the original ones (this makes up the first cour), the fourth arc will be a set-up/explanation of what's been going on, and the final arc will be the long resolution. That sounds awesome, fingers crossed.
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Nov 8, 2020 18:43
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I watched the first anime when it came out so I've forgotten almost all the details and don't mind the repeating, but on the other hand I'm also missing where exactly things have changed from the original.
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Nov 8, 2020 21:01
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it's only small changes like the ending of chapter 1 fundamentally changing the direction of where the story is going and how ch1 itself can be read in the context of the greater plot
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Nov 8, 2020 21:32
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Buckle up.
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Nov 12, 2020 15:57
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Rika just straight up telling him how it is
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Nov 12, 2020 18:15
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So far this really is just Watanagashi except the doll exchange and I guess a reveal that Tomitake/Takano got the gently caress out of dodge which implies that at least *something* went extremely awry with Takano's plan.
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Nov 12, 2020 18:47
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My wild speculation Rika's eyes going ominous red/purple isn't just visual metaphor for spoopy, but that this series is going to end with an entity known as Bernkastel being "born" and peacing out to drink tea and play games
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Yak of Wrath posted:My wild speculation Rika's eyes going ominous red/purple isn't just visual metaphor for spoopy, but that this series is going to end with an entity known as Bernkastel being "born" and peacing out to drink tea and play games I've been wondering the same thing. Maybe being thrown back into this after thinking it was finally over is what ends up causing Rika to crack or something.
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If she's willing to be this direct after the last arc's light touch approach, I can imagine she'll eventually just gather all of them together, determine which sort of loop it is this time around, and engage in some fortune telling, solving the issues before they even have a chance to occur in the first place.
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Nov 15, 2020 11:21
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Kreeblah posted:I've been wondering the same thing. Maybe being thrown back into this after thinking it was finally over is what ends up causing Rika to crack or something. is there any reason to believe this is after the end of the VN/first anime? I assumed this was just previously unseen loops from before they got out.
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Nov 15, 2020 18:18
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The very beginning of episode 2 with Hanyuu/Rika.
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Nov 15, 2020 18:30
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Eliza posted:If she's willing to be this direct after the last arc's light touch approach, I can imagine she'll eventually just gather all of them together, determine which sort of loop it is this time around, and engage in some fortune telling, solving the issues before they even have a chance to occur in the first place. I think she's direct because she is convinced that this loop is toast and she's not expecting Keiichi to remember too much. She might still try a light touch approach in the next arc for all we know. But should be interesting to see if she gets more and more active as time passes.
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Droyer posted:is there any reason to believe this is after the end of the VN/first anime? I assumed this was just previously unseen loops from before they got out. there's no point in the middle of the original story that i can think of it fitting into. it wouldn't makes sense for (the manga version, at least, of) chapter 1 to establish how devastated rika is at them being thrown into the loops again, or to say she'll still muster up the courage to fight against this fate yet again, if it didn't take place after chapter 7. but this can't take place in between chapter 7 and 8 because chapter 8 is built narratively on coming directly after chapter 7, and doing this would severely weaken the point both of the final chapters make that everyone's grown past their issues and at this point are capable of taking care of themselves and avoiding the tragedies they'd otherwise fall into. the only way gou could possibly make that work is if it takes place after chapter 8 and is going to come up with some special reason why these things are happening now
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There are things that don't really make sense as a sequel either, though that could just be bad writing. Rika loving up the dance in the same way she hosed up previously seems weird, especially now that we know she has tons and tons of experience doing this. Plus she could just be more proactive about making sure Keiichi doesn't wander off. It's like Rika just became a passive idiot instead of doing anything to try to prevent a bad outcome. More generously, I guess Rika could just be giving in to despair again (which the last conversation in this episode points to) after seeing her attempted intervention backfire horribly in the last arc, especially if this isn't the very next loop she's experienced and she's seen other attempts backfire as well. I think some of it's going to end up being that some contrivances were kept in just to keep the arcs working as parallels as long as that's the format the show's sticking with though, and that's the main reason Rika isn't confiding in anyone after learning the power of friendship before.
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Sinteres posted:There are things that don't really make sense as a sequel either, though that could just be bad writing. Rika loving up the dance in the same way she hosed up previously seems weird, especially now that we know she has tons and tons of experience doing this. Plus she could just be more proactive about making sure Keiichi doesn't wander off. It's like Rika just became a passive idiot instead of doing anything to try to prevent a bad outcome. More generously, I guess Rika could just be giving in to despair again (which the last conversation in this episode points to) after seeing her attempted intervention backfire horribly in the last arc, especially if this isn't the very next loop she's experienced and she's seen other attempts backfire as well. I think some of it's going to end up being that some contrivances were kept in just to keep the arcs working as parallels as long as that's the format the show's sticking with though, and that's the main reason Rika isn't confiding in anyone after learning the power of friendship before.  There is no point between loops in the original Higurashi where Rika can say this, given that she doesn't learn it until the next-to-last loop, and forgets between it and the next. Elephant Parade fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Nov 16, 2020 |
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I wasn't trying to suggest it wasn't, just that I wish it had gone full out in presenting it that way instead of this weird parallel structure.
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I actually don't remember the "Rika loving up the dance" thing, was it present in the original anime as well? Alternatively, she could just be doing it on purpose as a way of checking if Keiichi was there (and if she's in the Watanagashi-hen fragment or not) but I don't know the details since I didn't read that chapter of the VN.
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Big Scary Owl posted:I actually don't remember the "Rika loving up the dance" thing, was it present in the original anime as well? Alternatively, she could just be doing it on purpose as a way of checking if Keiichi was there (and if she's in the Watanagashi-hen fragment or not) but I don't know the details since I didn't read that chapter of the VN. I just chalked it up to Rika realizing what shard she was in, noticing Keiichi wasn't there, and making the mistake to confirm. 
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I think it was in the VN, but I could be misremembering. Deliberately failing as an alarm system kind of makes sense, though it's still weird for her to be so reactive rather than proactive about everything unless we find out she did try warning Tomitake and that's why he and Takano took off instead of the usual events playing out. Maybe I should wait and see before jumping to conclusions.
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she certainly seems to be acting passive so far, but considering the bizarre circumstances of rika's death in the first cycle this time i don't think we can say for sure that she isn't up to something behind the scenes
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I'm guessing that there is a new force/enemy that has prevented Rika from succeeding or possibly even attempting the original "solution", otherwise I imagine she'd at least attempt it each run rewatching I think the big clue is VN Spoilers the line "but both of them are already dead" which implies that Takano is dead, Rika has no reason to say this if she knows Takano is alive and masterminding her demise, but if the original villain is dead... everything goes out the window
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The main problem I have with any idea of her doing much behind the scenes is that while friendship alone proved insufficient in Minagoroshi, it proved to be a pretty critical part of Matsuribayashi. Even if Rika has to go back to the drawing board because the threat has changed, the idea that she'd go back to trying to do everything without seeking help from her friends feels off to me, especially knowing that something like Keiichi following Shion into the shrine can and has led to a bad ending that doesn't even require Takano's direct involvement. I should probably stop worrying about what does and doesn't make sense at any given point though and just go along for the ride, and I think I might wait to watch the next arc when it's complete instead of week to week. I can always be critical later if things don't make sense when it all wraps up.
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A theory I've seen that makes sense is that The Rika in the vision during episode 2 (highschool Rika) isn't the same Rika doing these loops, since this Rika hasn't actually tried, well, anything that we know she knows is a solution to the mysteries. It feels more like this is a Rika who is still trying things out to solve the problem: she knows that the doll is the key point, etc, but now what the actual solution is. If this is a Hanyuu-less Rika, then it makes sense for her to not have gotten so far, and to give into just telling Keichi he's and idiot and he sucks because she doesn't even have her friend to help out. But I dunno how this matches up with the other Rika, or why we're getting this one and not her.
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More questions than answers. Tataridamashi up next.
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There's no real way of knowing which of the twins is doing any given thing at any given moment unless you can see the tattoo, right?
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Nov 19, 2020 18:51
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OnimaruXLR posted:There's no real way of knowing which of the twins is doing any given thing at any given moment unless you can see the tattoo, right? In the original Chapters 2 and 5 Shion carries out her investigation/revenge with a uh... distinct flair. Between Rika & Satoko's deaths being flipped, and the subdued efficiency displayed, I'd say this was definitely all the real Mion gone terminal.
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I think it was Mion yeah, the proof is in the boobs. The corpse in the well had bigger boobs so it was Shion. The boobs don't lie. The real question is what the gently caress happened and what was the yamainu trying to do? Wtf happened to Satoko?
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